The God thang.

[tris-]

ok, god was an evil bastard yes? flooded the world and all the OT crap, then he changed in the NT. why did he change? why can he be evil and then the next day a good guy, but we cant be evil and then get away with it too? i really dont understand it about cleansing sins, does it matter? did he need to send jesus to die for everyone, i would of thought god would think ok i will just forgive em all, not waste time and effort making a super human. why did he need to die for us, why didnt god just forget all that and say your forgiven?

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

What tris is trying to say is god teaches forgiveness, yet he sends people who dont believe in him to hell.

You cant say he is a loving and great bloke, whilst simultaneously saying he treats all sinners the same, and sees things in black and white.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by tris-
why can he be evil and then the next day a good guy, but we cant be evil and then get away with it too?

because a) he is god. and b) you aint


but based on your arguments I would say that you are against the death penalty (since thats evil), because what God did was give just about an entire planet the death penalty, is that so wrong?

 

[tris-]

i never said im against evil, i said why is he such a dick about it? im not in favour of the death penalty cos i think its more punishment to die a slow, long shitty death. but that was never even mentioned

 

[Brynn]

Originally posted by --Random--
but the thing is......... did he? i dont remember any archiological artifacts being discovered actually proving any of the things the bible has said 'happened'. surely if god flooded earth there would be some kind of evidence that now, with our understanding of science, we'd be able to find? if he flooded the entire planet killing everything, surely there would be thousands of remains left over? like the dinosaurs.. they've been dead millions of years yet we're finding they're bones every day, how come we're not finding millions of animal bones from a great flood?

its basically all made up, isnt it?

Turin Shroud? Image of God with blood in the rite places for the crusifixion marks?

 

[tris-]

brynn i would be grateful if u could explain to me about what i said (jesus dieing for sin etc)

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by tris-
i never said im against evil, i said why is he such a dick about it? im not in favour of the death penalty cos i think its more punishment to die a slow, long shitty death. but that was never even mentioned

ye, cruel and unusual punishment etc (im all for it)


BUT, how can you say its wrong/evil of God to put the planet on death-row for our sins and save a few. When you would do the same (on a lesser scale)

 

[tris-]

wait lemme change that. isnt it better for god if there is more people around? so they can interbreed, then there is more people and more chance people will believe in him etc

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by tris-
wait lemme change that. isnt it better for god if there is more people around? so they can interbreed, then there is more people and more chance people will believe in him etc

what makes you think that god(if etc) needs believers?

he hasnt exactly made it easier for them...

 

[tris-]

well why did he bother with any of it? he woupld just go around silent and no one would know of him. if i didnt want people to know or think i existed i wouldnt do anything to make people think i did, like killing every fucker alive bar a few of em.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by tris-
well why did he bother with any of it? he woupld just go around silent and no one would know of him

he was young and needed the believers?


then he outgrew the need for em?


*shrug* I dunno, just rational thought here oO

 

[Brynn]

Originally posted by tris-
ok, god was an evil bastard yes? flooded the world and all the OT crap, then he changed in the NT. why did he change? why can he be evil and then the next day a good guy, but we cant be evil and then get away with it too? i really dont understand it about cleansing sins, does it matter? did he need to send jesus to die for everyone, i would of thought god would think ok i will just forgive em all, not waste time and effort making a super human. why did he need to die for us, why didnt god just forget all that and say your forgiven?

Jesus died for us because - it was God showing us the ultimate price he paid to get rid of our sins. He Wanted to give people free will to freely choose him. As he cannot influence free will. The OT was the story prior to him coming. Then in the NT it was his life - then when he died for our sins.

 

[tris-]

really what it all comes down to is who made god? and who made the guy who made god etc? and if someone did make him then why didnt he guide him not be a bastard. isnt that what god is trying to do now, make people be good not bad? where did god learn it from that his actions were bad and if he could learn it then what was stopping people from learning it them selves over time? our parents teach us good and bad who have learn it from parents who learnt it from parent etc etc

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by Brynn
Jesus died for us because - it was God showing us the ultimate price he paid to get rid of our sins. He Wanted to give people free will to freely choose him. As he cannot influence free will. The OT was the story prior to him coming. Then in the NT it was his life - then when he died for our sins.

but why did he need to die, thats what i dont understand!

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by tris-
really what it all comes down to is who made god? and who made the guy who made god etc? and if someone did make him then why didnt he guide him not be a bastard.

why didnt your mum&dad guide you not to be one?


just the same "problem" with the big bang, what the fuck just exploded, and why didnt it get proper guidance from its parents?

 

[tris-]

read the rest arnor i just edited it

 

[Arnor]

Because that is the ultimate sacrifice, and he wanted to proove that it wasnt just to snap his fingers and all sin was gone.



or jesus was just an annoying fucker



one ticket for hell please, umm is there student rebate on this?

 

[tris-]

well why didnt people kill them selves instead of letting someone else do it? it would make sense that bob killed him self because he wanted to repent his sins, it doesnt make sens that joe did it to repent bobs sins.

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isnt that what god is trying to do now, make people be good not bad? where did god learn it from that his actions were bad and if he could learn it then what was stopping people from learning it them selves over time? our parents teach us good and bad who have learn it from parents who learnt it from parent etc etc
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tis is the bit i mean.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by tris-
well why didnt people kill them selves instead of letting someone else do it? it would make sense that bob killed him self because he wanted to repent his sins, it doesnt make sens that joe did it to repent bobs sins.

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isnt that what god is trying to do now, make people be good not bad? where did god learn it from that his actions were bad and if he could learn it then what was stopping people from learning it them selves over time? our parents teach us good and bad who have learn it from parents who learnt it from parent etc etc
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tis is the bit i mean.

few would kill themselves because they had little problems with the life they were leading, and also 1 skanky hoe sucking a tailpipe != the son of god being crucified.

 

[tris-]

the people who had sinned though, should of killed them selves not let someone else die for them. really they never learnt a fucking thing doing that.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by tris-
the people who had sinned though, should of killed them selves not let someone else die for them. really they never learnt a fucking thing doing that.

ofc, and thats where the expression "Utakk er verdens lønn" stems from

fucks sake, tried for like 10 seconds to translate that bitch, roughly sumt like "ungratefullness is the reward of the world" ie "you do something good and ppl will be ungrateful" or whatever.

 

[Brynn]

Originally posted by tris-
the people who had sinned though, should of killed them selves not let someone else die for them. really they never learnt a fucking thing doing that.

Hate to say it but suicide is considered taking someones life yer own. And coz your deed you dont get a chance to repent = (our survay says) hell

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Brynn
Hate to say it but suicide is considered taking someones life yer own. And coz your deed you dont get a chance to repent = (our survay says) hell

then they couldve ritually sacrificed eachother oO

 

[tris-]

but what his motive to die for everyone? he could only think what god designed him to think, but who designed god to think what he did and what made him change from bad to not so bad? people still now only think what god tells them to think but what is making god think what he does, its summit else i dont understand.

 

[Brynn]

Killing people = against the commandments

 

[Brynn]

Originally posted by tris-
but what his motive to die for everyone? he could only think what god designed him to think, but who designed god to think what he did and what made him change from bad to not so bad? people still now only think what god tells them to think but what is making god think what he does, its summit else i dont understand.

No one designed God

 

[tris-]

maybe im talkin shit here, but wernt the romans catholic, who would also then believe in god but in a dif way with dif teachings. wernt they taught to kill people who defyed them, then what happend to them when they got judged?

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by Brynn
No one designed God

so how did he appear? tbh i find it more easy to believe in the greek gods, even though they r only myths

 

[Brynn]

Genesis 1


The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

He just was.

 

[tris-]

how can he just be? from seein the bible it shows u must be created to exist, created by god. that means anything and everything should be able to just be there, having no need in a god at all.