Politics The General Election 2015

[Talivar]

I think whoever wins the vote today stands to lose in the end as the inevitable repercussions hit, Be it videos of innocents dieing in bomb strikes wrecking Camerons career or an attack by ISIS in london or something wrecking Corbyns

 

[Gwadien]

What if - We bomb ISIS more and they bomb us more who would politically lose then?

 

[Talivar]

Cameron as it might indicate the bombing is not stopping or hindering them like he said it would. Likewise tho if we bomb them and there is no videos/pictures of dead innocents and ISIS does not bomb us then Corbyn will look bad for not wanting it

 

[Scouse]

wrecking Camerons career

How can it be wrecked? He's standing down as PM this term. He literally gives zero fucks at all.

 

[Talivar]

Sadly thats true

 

[Ormorof]

Yep he'll get a big fat directors cheque at some arms manufacturer and go touring round middle east as a peace ambassador like mr Blair

 

[Scouse]

Yep. Keepin' the arms exporters happy...Anyway, nobody interested that Labour actually increased their share of the vote in Oldham?

 

[Gumbo]

I don't think you can read a huge amount into that. After all, 6,000 less people voted for the Labour candidate than in the GE. I had thought that perhaps more would have swarmed out if this whole new engagement with politics because of Corbyn was happening. There were generally a ton less people turned out for all parties though, so meh.

We'll need a proper election, I don't know what's up next, Euro's? That'll tell us what damage Corbyn is or is not doing to their vote.

 

[Scouse]

Turnout for those sort of elections is always much lower but the interesting thing for me is the substantially increased margin. You'd think if Labour were suddenly intrinsically toxic then the margin would shrink. But then, Oldham's demographics I suppose...

 

[Job]

Jesus, Farage needs to reel himself back in, they were trounced, the footage of him talking said it all though, the entire back shot was full bearded muslims wearing Labour badges, pretty obvious they will vote en masse for Labour to keep out Ukip.
There's hope for Corbyn yet and a lot of Labour mp's have shamed themselves by attacking his moral stance.

 

[Talivar]

The thing that is still to be seen is which Labour wins this civil war, will it be the new style labour under Corbyn who people say have no chance of winning anything or the old style Labour who have shown in the last 2 GE they have no chance of winning anything

 

[Gwadien]

The thing that is still to be seen is which Labour wins this civil war, will it be the new style labour under Corbyn who people say have no chance of winning anything or the old style Labour who have shown in the last 2 GE they have no chance of winning anything

Aye, my dear is that people will still believe that immigrants are to blame for everything so UKIP will unbalance things by taking Labour votes.

One thing that I do predict though is that this Labour will be more popular than the new new Labour. I'm not referring to this forum as a representing account of the global population, since the vast majority of people here are Tories but I'd be interested to see those who voted Labour in the last election will vote Labour again.

Inb4 - 'I consider myself a labour voter but I haven't voted for them in 20 years'

 

[Talivar]

I think Corbyns labour will gain massive popularity as times goes on but his success will come down to how people view the consequences of his actions in regards to standing up to Tories/Other Labour

 

[Gwadien]

I think Corbyns labour will gain massive popularity as times goes on but his success will come down to how people view the consequences of his actions in regards to standing up to Tories/Other Labour

Aye. I saw waves of support from him on Facebook over the debates for Syria, not from students either, people I worked with and went to school with, Corbyn has definitely made my generation a lot more politically aware than before, I'd expect an increase in the amount of people voting in the next GE

 

[Talivar]

Yep i agree, i think atm too many are focusing on the distension within the ranks and not the fact he is gaining a lot of support from people who would never normally bother

 

[Talivar]

I do find it ironic tho that he was being called weak because he does not have complete control over his party and now he is being called weak because he maybe planning to get rid of the trouble causers

 

[Raven]

Aye, my dear is that people will still believe that immigrants are to blame for everything so UKIP will unbalance things by taking Labour votes.

One thing that I do predict though is that this Labour will be more popular than the new new Labour. I'm not referring to this forum as a representing account of the global population, since the vast majority of people here are Tories but I'd be interested to see those who voted Labour in the last election will vote Labour again.

Inb4 - 'I consider myself a labour voter but I haven't voted for them in 20 years'

They won't win shit. Most of their support don't vote.

 

[Ormorof]

Ukip? Didnt they get almost 7 million votes last time?

 

[Gwadien]

Ukip? Didnt they get almost 7 million votes last time?

3 MILLION

 

[ECA]

3 MILLION

3,881,099

 

[Embattle]

I would expect bumps in corbyns support but it won't translate in to any thing serious in terms of the next general election unless the conservatives do something majorly stupid, that is even if he remains leader of his own party

 

[ECA]

I would expect bumps in corbyns support but it won't translate in to any thing serious in terms of the next general election unless the conservatives do something majorly stupid, that is even if he remains leader of his own party

You mean like cutting tax credits?

 

[Talivar]

They would have cut the police even more aswell if Paris had not ruined their plans

 

[Embattle]

You mean like cutting tax credits?

Actually no, for many it wasn't the general principal of the policy but just the speed that they were due to be removed. It would be years before the replacement was supposed to kick in by increasing wages via the living wage etc.

 

[Talivar]

Trust me many of those on the fence were only on the fence because they did not understand it and the implications. They had been promised dont worry the cuts are balanced with increase in wages so you will be better off!. The reality was even with the wage increase many of these people would be worse off still and once they realised that everything changed

 

[Gwadien]

the U-turn on cutting tax credits was a media move, it had all the coverage, all the Tory voters who have a bit of a heart were like 'uhm, this is a bit dickish, but I still love you tories' are now under the illusion that the peasants have it fine and the Tories are very nice to them, which is pretty far from reality.

Tis a bit like their

SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY gonna spy on everyone SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY

 

[Bodhi]

I don't see Corbyn ever being PM if I'm honest, he's far too much of a joke, and associated with far too many dubious people for that to happen. Opinion polls recently appear to bear that out too...

 

[Gwadien]

I don't see Corbyn ever being PM if I'm honest, he's far too much of a joke, and associated with far too many dubious people for that to happen. Opinion polls recently appear to bear that out too...

Nah, I don't think he'll be PM, however, I do think it makes a change in Labour as a whole, I don't think they'll revert back to Tory-lite so quickly after this.

However, I was looking at an opinion poll which agrees with you, but 1000 people were asked, 1000 people represents 70 million since when?

That PM once said 'I can show you everything with statistics, apart from the truth'

 

[Raven]

They are more than welcome to make changes that voters don't want.

 

[Gwadien]

They are more than welcome to make changes that voters don't want.

The changes you don't want you mean.