Politics The General Election 2015

[Raven]

No, the people that actually bother to vote.

Labour can enjoy majority support but it means nothing if those supporters don't vote (because its immoral, or working with the man or whatever shit).

 

[Talivar]

People will vote next time, unless Tories resist any of the more brutal cuts

 

[Gumbo]

Ed lurched leftwards in an effort to get elected, it failed spectacularly. I can't for a second see an even further leftward lurch getting anyone elected, especially Corbyn.

 

[Raven]

People will vote next time, unless Tories resist any of the more brutal cuts

No, they won't.

People are selfish, they will vote for who has kept them in work (Tories!)

The people who support the empty bullshit of Labour generally don't vote, so fuck'em. Politically their opinion is worthless. No amount of Corbyn nonsense will change that.

Look at it like this. You have 15 people and give them a choice of blue or red. 5 people will definitely vote and will chose blue. 10 people won't vote because they don't believe in it or whatever but want red to win. Which colour would you pin your flag to, if you wanted to be in power?

Labour will crash and burn hard next election, they will either split or go even further right than Blair.

 

[Talivar]

That was before people realised how much the Tories wanted to screw them. The working class felt they would be safe as the unemployed would be the targets, the reality has not turned out that way. I get impression from many who talk on the internet that my life has improved under the Tories but if it has i cant see it lol

 

[Talivar]

We got an email last week asking who wanted voluntary redundancy so thats a sure sign another restructure on its way

 

[Gwadien]

That was before people realised how much the Tories wanted to screw them. The working class felt they would be safe as the unemployed would be the targets, the reality has not turned out that way. I get impression from many who talk on the internet that my life has improved under the Tories but if it has i cant see it lol

Yeah, but you're from the public sector, and you're waste of tax payers money.

 

[Talivar]

Wont be for much longer if i lose the restructure lottery!, then i can feel better knowing im not wasting the tax payers money anymore!

 

[Raven]

That was before people realised how much the Tories wanted to screw them. The working class felt they would be safe as the unemployed would be the targets, the reality has not turned out that way. I get impression from many who talk on the internet that my life has improved under the Tories but if it has i cant see it lol

Except for most people, we are enjoying better pay, less tax, more job security. If Labour could offer me more of that, I would vote for them...but they won't so the choice is easy.

 

[Raven]

Yeah, but you're from the public sector, and you're waste of tax payers money.

He isn't, the structure of the management and the "free money without worrying about running out of it as there will be more handed out next April" system is.

 

[Talivar]

Well for me Tories offer an endless restructure lottery no matter how well i do my job

 

[Talivar]

The problem is the people in the councils who decide where the cuts come are the in that overbloated management system and wont ever cut themselves

 

[Gwadien]

He isn't, the structure of the management and the "free money without worrying about running out of it as there will be more handed out next April" system is.

My point being that so long as they continue to cut, you don't give a fuck about the effect it has on people like @Talivar

I just think that people are so bothered about the now and focused upon their own selfish existence that they're not willing to sacrifice a little bit for others to also be able to do well.

Basically

Society will grow great when an old man plants trees knowing he'll never sit in the shade of it.

 

[Raven]

Well that is exactly the point, what makes you think that can or will change?

(and you can keep the bullshit motivational poster quotes out of it )

But back in reality, the government give the public sector plenty of money, the fact that they criminally misspend it is their fault. People are getting angry at central government when they should be getting angry at local government.

 

[Talivar]

That was true 4-8+ years ago but it isnt now as evidenced by Mr Camerons own council and the shock Cameron had at how bad the cuts were lol. We dont have fluff or wastage anymore, training is mandatory only and you dont even get a dinner or drinks now!. Each of the frontline staff are now doing the jobs of 2-3 people ect

 

[Raven]

Ok, quick, non-scientific question. How many managers in your department? say, per 10 staff?

 

[Gwadien]

Ok, quick, non-scientific question. How many managers in your department? say, per 10 staff?

That's completely besides the fucking point

THEY ARE NOT CUTTING THE MANAGERS THEY CUT THE FRONT LINE STAFF

 

[Talivar]

1 supervisor for every 10 people and then there is 3 managers for the 5 supervisors and 1 service leader, i would personally reduce it to 1 manager not 3 but the problem is its those people who make the decisions about where to cut lol

 

[Raven]

Who is "they"? Why are you getting pissy at people who don't dictate what the money is spent on?

 

[Talivar]

The managers are now in charge of the mandatory training aswell tho so have to provide that for whole council

 

[Raven]

1 supervisor for every 10 people and then there is 3 managers for the 5 supervisors and 1 service leader, i would personally reduce it to 1 manager not 3 but the problem is its those people who make the decisions about where to cut lol

Christ, no wonder you are fucked then. But again, not really the fault of central government.

We have 4 managers, including the MD and company secretary for 56 staff, plus around 20 sub-contractors. All managers cover multiple roles within the business and do day-to-day stuff too, except the MD who I can't quite figure out what he does. A company with a 20odd million turnover, 4million odd profit.

 

[Talivar]

It partly is because the representatives from the government come and visit these managers not us frontline staff, they make the plans with the managers and the plans then passed up the food chain and signed off

 

[Talivar]

Not one has ever said hey there is too many of you and not enough of them. The problem IMO is this level of government workers and local council leaders. They no doubt build up relationships over time and help each other out

 

[Gumbo]

Reading between the lines Talivar, are you a family or children's social worker?

Have you considered going into the private sector? Perhaps agency fostering? All of the SSW's we've been in contact with are refugees from Local Authority, and love working for the agencies. They are paid more, their caseloads are only just into double figures, and they can actually get their jobs done. OK the pension isn't as good, the sick days aren't as generous nor is the holidays, but the quality of life is soo much better.

 

[Talivar]

I am a Family Support Officer which is kinda like a social worker but more focused on prevention and helping the family before it gets to the point of no return. Many of the same responsibilities as a social worker with a lot of the same levels of accountability but less pay sadly. My service is the one the Social Workers refer families into in an attempt to do behavior management with the parents. I do wish i had done a social work degree instead as that would open many more doors for me. When i first went to University they sold me on the idea of a rehabilitation foundation degree as it would make me an assistant practitioner. That would have been a good start to my career, sadly the government changed everything as i neared end of it and created a full separate degree for Assistant Practitioners as part of the initial NHS reforms. So i was stuck with a semi redundant Foundation degree which i topped up into a Health and Social Care degree which feels even more useless as i made a stupid mistake of focusing on getting a job instead of doing well on the top up degree. I got a job and just passed my degree and then wham within months the restructure circus started and ive been in it ever since lol

 

[Gumbo]

Righto, thanks for the candid reply.

 

[Ormorof]

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So 3.8 million is "no one bothered to vote" Raven?

Thats 3.8 million people even more disenfranchised with democracy than before...

Edit: seems thread has moved on and i am talking gibberish as usual ignore me...

 

[Raven]

So 3.8 million is "no one bothered to vote" Raven?

Thats 3.8 million people even more disenfranchised with democracy than before...

Edit: seems thread has moved on and i am talking gibberish as usual ignore me...

No, that has nothing to do with it. Traditionally large parts of the left, or at least supporters of labour in particular just don't vote for many reasons. Corbyn's ultra socialist brigade certainly don't. Whether its pure laziness or that they don't believe in the system, who knows. UKIP did well because their supporters voted rather than refuse to.

 

[Gwadien]

No, that has nothing to do with it. Traditionally large parts of the left, or at least supporters of labour in particular just don't vote for many reasons. Corbyn's ultra socialist brigade certainly don't. Whether its pure laziness or that they don't believe in the system, who knows. UKIP did well because their supporters voted rather than refuse to.

The main reason why 'young people' didn't vote is because they're disillusioned in the process, most didn't see a point in voting. The only people I know did vote were UKIP voters. The rest just didn't see the point since there was no party for them.

Corbyn has shaken things up and actually opened another point of view which is getting people involved in politics either for or against him - prior to that some people didn't know who Milliband was.

 

[Raven]

Exactly "they don't believe in the system" there were plenty of parties that represented their views, plenty of socialist indies etc, most of whom lost their deposit.

Which brings me back to my point. If you believe in a particular ideology yet point blank refuse to vote then what makes people think their opinion matters to the government?