Politics The General Election 2015

[Job]

I think even Nigel will struggle to worm out of this, probably go for total honesty.

 

[Raven]

lol

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32697212

 

[Hawkwind]

This cheered me up this morning

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32685844

Galloway getting desperate, he is also being reported for inappropriate behaviour on election night, breaking the law in the process
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-32638176

 

[Zarjazz]

lol

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32697212

To this day I still don't understand how he lost to his brother in that leadership vote.

 

[ECA]

To this day I still don't understand how he lost to his brother in that leadership vote.

Labour party rules, the leadership vote is 1/3 party members vote, 1/3 mp vote, 1/3 trade union vote.
Party members and MP vote went very thinly in favour of David, trade union vote went heavily for ed, enough to override the mp/member blocs.

 

[Edmond]

Yeah I did that the other day, then @Edmond got all furious with me @Job

I wasn't furious, I was just disappointed with you

 

[Gumbo]

Labour party rules, the leadership vote is 1/3 party members vote, 1/3 mp vote, 1/3 trade union vote.
Party members and MP vote went very thinly in favour of David, trade union vote went heavily for ed, enough to override the mp/member blocs.

That's the mechanics of it, but I wrote something on another forum on the 18th of May 2011

It wasn't unions it was timing.

Labour can not win the next election, they and everyone else know that. David is the next most likely Labour leader who can possibly hope to win in two elections time. So you bung in Ed for a few years, to get royally trounced at the next election, then he steps down. You get someone else in for a couple of years to tidy things up, and then bring in David on a white charger to actually take them into the 2020ish General Election and probably win it.

They weren't ready to end David's career yet, but they were more than happy to end Beaker's. Er I mean Ed's.

I'm halfway to being right.

 

[Raven]

I said a few years ago that the SNP would boot Labour out of Scotland...the chatterers disagreed.

 

[Moriath]

I said a few years ago that the SNP would boot Labour out of Scotland...the chatterers disagreed.

Post proof or it didnt happen .

 

[Job]

The suspicion is that Ed made promises to the unions to push the party to the left and boy have they lived to regret that.

 

[Trem]

You removed sex Friday privileges @Edmond

 

[Edmond]

You removed sex Friday privileges @Edmond

Yes, but did you learn from it....no, I don't think you did

 

[Billargh]

Related?

 

[Embattle]

To me the way to kill democracy is bureaucracy, it is partly why I dislike the way the EU is currently run because with each layer of it there needs to be even more bureaucracy in the form of support systems and thus the issue becomes almost self-sustaining, at the same time I don't even like the amount of it in our national system with different elections for Council, National, MEPs, etc.

I personally would like to see it radically downsized and altered in the way the system works, I would like to see a lot fewer MPs by increasing the size of constituencies/councils to the size of counties at the same time as combining local and national elections into one, all of this would naturally result in massive changes in terms of services, etc. but at the same time each county could be given more powers. I not sure any of this would actually really reduce the amount bureaucracy since there would probably be an increase in support systems but having a good shake up of the current system would certainly be interesting.

 

[old.user4556]

Jesus.

This started as a bit of a flippant joke, but now it's actually gathering a bit of momentum. I think it's ridiculous and I don't see how it would work, or why people want it to happen other than "fuck London".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...d-become-part-of-a-new-scotland-10252821.html

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ws/take-you-scotland-twitter-responds-9252402

 

[Raven]

Ha, you're welcome to it

Never going to happen.

 

[Job]

Thanks anyway but I have no desire to be nearer anything 'Northern', if it wasn't for the Lakes and Wales being on our doorstep, I 'd quite happily move Liverpool down south.

 

[Raven]

You would become a Southern nonse as opposed to a knuckle dragging Northerner.

 

[Job]

Well you couldn't write this one could you, Ukips only MP is calling for Farage to quit and faces being booted out himself, I'm starting to suspect he is actually a Tory trojan horse...very well played Cammy.

 

[Scouse]

Silly and amusing but pertinent points from ~35mins.

 

[Job]

Toddler in a greased bath..snorted my hot chocolate out on that one.

 

[Job]

The biggest news from that is the 'possible' account that 90% of the kids in a class supported Ukip, not sure if it was just made up, but the context was more serious, anyway that is played out by polls on reddit showing 1/3 of kids think forieigners are taking over...which presumably are the children of Ukip supporters.
The comedien even called Farage a likeable guy.

 

[Scouse]

The biggest news from that is the 'possible' account that 90% of the kids in a class supported Ukip, not sure if it was just made up, but the context was more serious, anyway that is played out by polls on reddit showing 1/3 of kids think forieigners are taking over...which presumably are the children of Ukip supporters.
The comedien even called Farage a likeable guy.

Or 1/3rd of kids are learning their shit from parents, and taking in all the news coverage - which is about immigration - and not understanding that it's really not a problem in any way other than the UK is becoming less white...

 

[Moriath]

Or 1/3rd of kids are learning their shit from parents, and taking in all the news coverage - which is about immigration - and not understanding that it's really not a problem in any way other than the UK is becoming less white...

So just devils advocate.

Last year the immigration into the uk was 600k and change. Emmigration was 300k some. So we grew by 300k people in one year. If that was to happen every year are you saying that wpuldnt be a problem? With housing? With health care? With social support? Benefits?

I dont care if someones black white or indifferent. But a growth that fast cant be sustainable.

Those were the government figures or legal immigration etc. theres the illegals on top of that.

 

[Raven]

Or 1/3rd of kids are learning their shit from parents, and taking in all the news coverage - which is about immigration - and not understanding that it's really not a problem in any way other than the UK is becoming less white...

Wait, what?

You do realise that the vast majority of immigration is white people...right?

 

[Gwadien]

The vast majority of those kids will grow up and realise UKIP spouted shit, and the reality was more about a lack of realistic jobs, rather than factory jobs which immigrants do.

Also - 90% of a class? - Let me get, the last white class room in the poorest part of Bradford?

 

[Scouse]

@Moriath - immigrants on a person-by-person basis actually take less in benefits than the "indigenous" population - it's the scummy Brits who claim, not the immigrants. Yep, there's a strain on services etc - but they're contributing more in taxes than they're taking out - and, worshipper of the market that you are - surely housing, which is mostly a private enterprise, will be sorted out by the market, no?

Wait, what?

You do realise that the vast majority of immigration is white people...right?

Yep. If 80% of them are white, and 20% of them aren't white (just guessing) - then with a ~10% non-white population even vastly majority white immigration still "darkens" up the population. Not that I give two shits about that (or was I asking to be taken hugely seriously on that frivolously made point) - I was talking to Job.

Here's something for your UKIP-loving thing tho. Shitloads of the immigration is non-EU. And we can't stop EU immigration - but we can do something about non-EU immigration. But we don't - Labour or Conservatives in government...

Does that not make you think that perhaps they don't want to stop it?

 

[Moriath]

@Moriath - immigrants on a person-by-person basis actually take less in benefits than the "indigenous" population - it's the scummy Brits who claim, not the immigrants. Yep, there's a strain on services etc - but they're contributing more in taxes than they're taking out - and, worshipper of the market that you are - surely housing, which is mostly a private enterprise, will be sorted out by the market, no?



Yep. If 80% of them are white, and 20% of them aren't white (just guessing) - then with a ~10% non-white population even vastly majority white immigration still "darkens" up the population. Not that I give two shits about that (or was I asking to be taken hugely seriously on that frivolously made point) - I was talking to Job.

Here's something for your UKIP-loving thing tho. Shitloads of the immigration is non-EU. And we can't stop EU immigration - but we can do something about non-EU immigration. But we don't - Labour or Conservatives in government...

Does that not make you think that perhaps they don't want to stop it?

The market is pricing all but the most afluent put of it at the moment and everyone is banging on about building more homes. Im not saying they dont contribute. Im just saying every three years the population could increase by a million if the number stays the same. Surely thats not sustainable?

 

[Job]

Well we can endlessly ponder using liberal intelligence from our armchairs, but in reality the Lib dems have been thrown in the bin, the SNP , who are closet Ukipers, have entirely taken over Scotland and Labour may never get in power ever again.
I don't think people have quite grasped what power the right has now, these are the first steps towards Fascism.

 

[Gumbo]

Here's something for your UKIP-loving thing tho. Shitloads of the immigration is non-EU. And we can't stop EU immigration - but we can do something about non-EU immigration. But we don't - Labour or Conservatives in government...

Does that not make you think that perhaps they don't want to stop it?

[/USER]

I'm not sure you've read that graph correctly. It does seem a shitty way to present the data. Without getting a ruler out and measuring the lines on the screen... It looks to me that since roughly 2006, the light blue colouring has stayed more or less constant, whilst the dark blue has shown a pretty constant step up each year which matches the overall upwards stepping of the graph. 2009 shows a small drop, when the workforce from countries outside the EU actually declines, with a small rise in EU workforce inwards.

The graph shows total foreign workforce over that period. It does NOT show year on year migration. It would appear that you've used a graph which damages your own point. The summary would have to read, when you look at it more closely :-

The proportion of Non EU foreign nationals in the UK workforce has remained largely constant since 2006. Whilst the number of EU foreign nationals has risen year on year.

What this means is still up there for debate, but no, your point in this case doesn't really hold water. Not from that graph anyway.[/user]