Politics The General Election 2015

[Talivar]

In the last 4 years i have been in a restructure every year and they didnt have to jump many hoops to reduce the staff drastically, including reducing HR itself

 

[Talivar]

I think one of the problems is that all public sector jobs seem to be lumped together as one so if you feel public sector has it easy you feel they ALL do or did ect

 

[Trem]

Oh and the NHS, that is in trouble because of us not them. People won't stop eating, people get shitloads of free drugs because they can then fill their cupboards with them, people drink booze until their livers explode (for example my dad), people smoke until they cough blood. Couple that with mismanagement of money at hospital level (what some of the advisors etc get paid is sickening) and the NHS will be bankrupt in a couple of decades no matter which party is in power. Obesity will be the downfall overall of the NHS if it carries on like it is.

Still, the country blames other things rather than their own McDonalds stuffed faces.

 

[Gwadien]

Oh and the NHS, that is in trouble because of us not them. People won't stop eating, people get shitloads of free drugs because they can then fill their cupboards with them, people drink booze until their livers explode (for example my dad), people smoke until they cough blood. Couple that with mismanagement of money at hospital level (what some of the advisors etc get paid is sickening) and the NHS will be bankrupt in a couple of decades no matter which party is in power. Obesity will be the downfall overall of the NHS if it carries on like it is.

Still, the country blames other things rather than their own McDonalds stuffed faces.

I don't know, I think it's also down to mss-management more than anything.

It was set up in the wake of WW2 when people were missing limbs and required alot of service.

I guess ultimately the issue between the NHS today and when it originally set up is the quality of care, it's so much stupidly better than it was when it first came out, so naturally the costs increase.

 

[Talivar]

Well we had services to tackle obesity and hit the problem at home with the families and even in some cases at Schools ect aswell, those services where cut or removed almost completely.

 

[Gwadien]

Well we had services to tackle obesity and hit the problem at home with the families and even in some cases at Schools ect aswell, those services where cut or removed almost completely.

Why tackle the source of the problem, when it's much more physical & concrete proof that you've given Dave a gastric band.

It's all about what the electorate see, rather than preventative measures.

 

[Talivar]

Yep its all about fire fighting because people can see that, preventing something is much harder to sell as people will argue it may never have happened

 

[Moriath]

Yep its all about fire fighting because people can see that, preventing something is much harder to sell as people will argue it may never have happened

Happy birthday @Talivar

 

[Talivar]

Thanks!

 

[Hawkwind]

PR is all sounds good

I think one of the problems is that all public sector jobs seem to be lumped together as one so if you feel public sector has it easy you feel they ALL do or did ect

Look at the perks a social worker gets against those of a public prosecutor, a mates wife was one and the deal she got for maternity leave was an absolute joke, six months full pay, 6 months half pay! People assume everyone gets that but the truth is far from it. People also remember the incredible pensions public sector used to get. It was known as the gravy train for years. Way better than Private Sector and a lot people have very little sympathy that the perks were eroded. Although it needed some adjustment in certain area, the whole thing has gone way too far.

 

[Talivar]

I have always been curious how wages compare for public sector jobs and similar private sector ones. Anyone have any experience of any big differences either way?

 

[Moriath]

I have always been curious how wages compare for public sector jobs and similar private sector ones. Anyone have any experience of any big differences either way?

There are poorly paid private jobs and extremely well paid private jobs. But say a dba for a coucil will probably be on less than one in priavte company. But his pension will be better andprobably his job security so its a trade off.

 

[Talivar]

Pensions seem reasonable still yea but job security im not so sure of as it is restructure and job cuts every 6-12 months atm

 

[Talivar]

Think pensions wont be touched till very last as it benefits the top management and middle management still

 

[Tom]

I didn't vote Conservative but:

when your robbed and there is no police to help

Recorded crime has been falling for years.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/16/crime-england-wales-falls-ons-survey

your house is on fire and there is no firebrigade to help

House fires are becoming increasingly rare as safety is improved and smoke alarms become more common.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/may/17/fire-report-uk-statistics

your hurt and there is no nurses to help

There are loads of nurses. Don't let waiting times confuse the issue - if you're seriously injured, you'll be treated before less seriously injured people.

or when you see a child in need and there is no social services to help.

Well you could always vote Labour, after all, they've done a brilliant job in Rotherham:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...buse-scandal-council-not-fit-for-purpose.html

 

[Talivar]

All of those things are results of cuts resulting in new ways of doing things and increased efficiency, but the problem is the cuts continue so what happens next? Will things stay the same, get better or get worse.
And Rotherham is just the tip of the iceberg and involves politicians and people of power from all parties. This hopefully will change but it will need more Social Services and not less. And before people find me links to show that there has been no cut to Social Services then think of it another way. All the support services that normally keep Social Workers free to deal with only the most extreme cases are being cut. This means the workloads of Social Workers is going up and causing stress at stupid levels. Its not uncommon now to see Social Workers quit through stress within just two years of starting. This also applies to the NHS, the Nurses are still there but their workload is rising due to the lack of other services that would have normally dealt with many of the issues within the community,

 

[Embattle]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...r-pay-gap-is-5000-or-a-fifth-of-earnings.html

 

[Talivar]

Interesting read, i get £21.5k atm and pay about £100 a month towards pension

 

[Moriath]

My final salary
Ension was frozen around 2004. So after i had been in it 5 years or so. But its stil, worth keeping. Better than the other scheme they put us in hehe

 

[Scouse]

https://vine.co/v/Mz3nAKXEtmt/embed

Justice Secretary.

Supports the bringing back of hanging and is going to scrap the human rights act.

Disaster.

 

[Raven]

Why won't it just flush?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32685844

 

[Job]

Listening to Blair and the old school Labour leaders turn on Millipede after the event is making my stomach turn, they have the fukin cheek to start spouting off how obviously useless he was after backing him to the hilt against all public opinion before the election...Labour are imploding in front of our eyes, utter incompetence.

 

[Moriath]

Whatever they thought before they had to back him. Or be seen to back him.

 

[Moriath]

Happy birthday @Talivar

Thanks for the facepalm for wishing talivar a HB

 

[Bodhi]

Oh and the NHS, that is in trouble because of us not them. People won't stop eating, people get shitloads of free drugs because they can then fill their cupboards with them, people drink booze until their livers explode (for example my dad), people smoke until they cough blood. Couple that with mismanagement of money at hospital level (what some of the advisors etc get paid is sickening) and the NHS will be bankrupt in a couple of decades no matter which party is in power. Obesity will be the downfall overall of the NHS if it carries on like it is.

Still, the country blames other things rather than their own McDonalds stuffed faces.

Completely agree apart from one thing - leave off us smokers, we pay our way

Will probably quit before I reach the coughing up blood stage mind....

 

[Trem]

Completely agree apart from one thing - leave off us smokers, we pay our way

Will probably quit before I reach the coughing up blood stage mind....

@Bodhi don't forget sweetheart I smoke, drink and love a Big Mac I get fucking duty free whenever I can though

@Job may I ask why @Moriath received a facepalm for wishing somebody a Happy Birthday?

 

[Job]

I have no frickin idea, must be my first pocket tag, undone it.

 

[Trem]

I have no frickin idea, must be my first pocket tag, undone it.

Yeah I did that the other day, then @Edmond got all furious with me

Well he didn't but I whipped myself for a while to let my pain out.

Cheers @Job

 

[Gwadien]

Farage remains!

I wonder if he'll still go on Holiday.

We should send him to Romania.

 

[Moriath]

Farage remains!

I wonder if he'll still go on Holiday.

We should send him to Romania.

No romanias nice.