Politics The General Election 2015

[Raven]

What's people's opinions on PR vs FPTP?

UKIP got over double as many votes as the SNP, but UKIP got one seat, the SNP got 56 (as at 10:45am on the day). I'm reading a tirade of argument in both directions on social media.

I don't think its particularly fair in the current system. In Scotland's case though it is clear they wanted the SNP and not anyone else and I don't think it would be fair if they got less seats just because people elsewhere wanted someone else.

 

[Gwadien]

Oh yeah, it'll fuck Sturgeon up the nose.

Did you watch Question Time? The deputy first minister was saying he loves the idea and we should try it.

I can imagine the SNP being like yeah great do it - referendum - vote yes!

Then we get it - LOOK AT THESE CUNTS TAKING MORE POWER AWAY FROM SCOTLAND

 

[Gwadien]

Get federalism in and PR voting - everyone is a winner

 

[old.user4556]

Then we get it - LOOK AT THESE CUNTS TAKING MORE POWER AWAY FROM SCOTLAND

There's always an element of those bell-ends up here, I'll admit to that. However they forget that Orkney and Shetland are primarily lib dem strongholds with a heavy Scandinavian influence with an oil fund - there's resentment towards Salmond and the SNP on their "we'll take the oil cash and blow it on Glasgow's welfare". So we may get more "power" in the event of independence, but the same arguments about "taking power away" will continue to roll.

Get federalism in and PR voting - everyone is a winner

I think the UK is going to change somehow in this parliament.

 

[Gwadien]

I think the UK is going to change somehow in this parliament.

Personally, I don't think so.

Why would a party in power want to change the system which could effectively make them lose that power?

 

[old.user4556]

I don't necessarily mean the voting system, just changes to the UK particularly around further devolved powers and what the implications are as a whole for the UK.

 

[Gwadien]

 

[Moriath]

Putting numbers together i can see why people want pr. But really doesnt work unless you take all the votes for the country together and then calculate who would get what and say to each party you have c number of mps go pick them. Which wouldnt give you local representation.

Im quite happy that fptp lead to ukip only getting one mp.

Other way to do it would be to split the country up via population so each ward has the same number of people give or take. That way scotland would have less wards to get mps from.

 

[Gwadien]

Putting numbers together i can see why people want pr. But really doesnt work unless you take all the votes for the country together and then calculate who would get what and say to each party you have c number of mps go pick them. Which wouldnt give you local representation.

Im quite happy that fptp lead to ukip only getting one mp.

Other way to do it would be to split the country up via population so each ward has the same number of people give or take. That way scotland would have less wards to get mps from.

I think the current system is quite victorian; People don't actually give a shit who their MP is, atleast I don't think they do.

 

[Moriath]

I think the current system is quite victorian; People don't actually give a shit who their MP is, atleast I don't think they do.

When i was a student and not invested in the location i was living in i would have agreed with you. Now im settled and care about where i live its different.

 

[Gwadien]

When i was a student and not invested in the location i was living in i would have agreed with you. Now im settled and care about where i live its different.

What has your local MP done for you which would be different to A local mp?

I mean, saying this for the 100th time, for one it would stop the asian populace in Leicester voting for Keith Vaz, because all he seems to promise is more stuff for Asian people (seriously, I'll show you the newsletter he sent 'round it's ridiculous)

 

[DaGaffer]

Putting numbers together i can see why people want pr. But really doesnt work unless you take all the votes for the country together and then calculate who would get what and say to each party you have c number of mps go pick them. Which wouldnt give you local representation.

Im quite happy that fptp lead to ukip only getting one mp.

Other way to do it would be to split the country up via population so each ward has the same number of people give or take. That way scotland would have less wards to get mps from.

Which is why you federalise. The PR happens at the devolved level and then each "state" sends reps to based on that mix to Westminster. NB, the country is split up based roughly on population, but the last Boundary commission was over 30 years ago and the population has shifted a lot since then, so London and the South-East probably need smaller wards.

 

[Moriath]

What has your local MP done for you which would be different to A local mp?

I mean, saying this for the 100th time, for one it would stop the asian populace in Leicester voting for Keith Vaz, because all he seems to promise is more stuff for Asian people (seriously, I'll show you the newsletter he sent 'round it's ridiculous)

And so he should if most of his ward is made up of asian people. He is representig their interests.

 

[Gwadien]

And so he should if most of his ward is made up of asian people. He is representig their interests.

No, he's playing on the ez Labour vote there and then playing on the race card to get the Asian vote too from the middle classes, who otherwise wouldn't be voting Labour.

 

[Moriath]

No, he's playing on the ez Labour vote there and then playing on the race card to get the Asian vote too from the middle classes, who otherwise wouldn't be voting Labour.

Thats the game. You have to appeal to the most of your populous. Otherwise you dont get voted in. So whats the issue? If your white and wrote to him im sure he would take your letter like he would an asian on appealing for personal help.

 

[Job]

Ukip won Thanet local election, which was held at the same time and pretty well confirms the theory Ukip voters were too scared not to vote Tory in the general.

 

[Yoni]

I think the UKIP voters are Tory and voted ukip to make their point on Europe ... Maybe I'm wrong though. In most countries across Europe these nationalistic votes are protest votes. In Sweden in the last election the Swedish nationalists received a lot of votes because immigration is not being debated and it needs to be.

 

[Wij]

Not a fan of PR. I voted for AV+. All the people whinging now could have done the same.

 

[Wij]

What has your local MP done for you which would be different to A local mp?

I mean, saying this for the 100th time, for one it would stop the asian populace in Leicester voting for Keith Vaz, because all he seems to promise is more stuff for Asian people (seriously, I'll show you the newsletter he sent 'round it's ridiculous)

Yes but Keith Vaz is a colossal twat.

 

[DaGaffer]

I think the UKIP voters are Tory and voted ukip to make their point on Europe ... Maybe I'm wrong though. In most countries across Europe these nationalistic votes are protest votes. In Sweden in the last election the Swedish nationalists received a lot of votes because immigration is not being debated and it needs to be.

As it turns out, a large proportion of the UKIP vote was disaffected labour voters, not Tories. The Tories got most of their gains from the Lib Dems and Labour lost a higher percentage of their vote to UKIP than the Tories...

 

[Job]

Ukip has landslided in Thanet locals and that pretty well guarantees his return unless he just stays on a beach somewhere with a pint.

 

[ECA]

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if farage stood for leader again.
They got 4m votes and the party doesnt have any other viable leader.

 

[Gumbo]

The party is Farage. It would be handy if they faded away now, they've served their purpose.

 

[Raven]

I would like to think so but I think now that they have been shafted, the Euro question will be swept under the carpet.

I actually think it could go to shit because it will be a yes/no vote in a couple of years and it could well just be a straight up no.

If we had more UKIP seats then maybe some negotiation could happen and we could have a yes but with some change.

 

[Moriath]

After a few scuffles around whitehall. And crappy people graffitting a war memorial. Charlotte Church made me laugh

"In Cardiff, about 200 people joined a similar rally against austerity cuts, where singer Charlotte Church carried a placard saying she was "mad as hell"."

From the bbc website

Scarey charlotte being mad as hell. Lol

 

[Gwadien]

Yeah, wish these people would stfu.

They're doing so much damage to the Labour party who doesn't really need it at this point.

 

[Job]

I actually hope we vote no to leaving Europe, just having the vote though will forever change our relationship with them and hopefully will put in motion a rethink of what the EU wants to be.

 

[BloodOmen]

Lol, happening in London now/hours ago apparently, prob still ongoing.

 

[Wij]

Socialist Worker. Bunch of nobs. They've never been big on democracy anyway.

 

[Embattle]

See graffiti was sprayed on The Women of World War II memorial as well.