Politics The General Election 2015

[Raven]

Far from doom and gloom. Near celebrating that the idiot Millibland didn't get it, it would have been an utter disaster.

 

[old.user4556]

Actually, it's a terrible result for scotland. The SNP can be completely ignored by the conservatives

You're kidding right? This is exactly what the SNP want, the "labour coalition" was a compromise, now they can steamroller with another referendum. It couldn't be any better for the diehard nationalists.

 

[Scouse]

Far from doom and gloom. Near celebrating that the idiot Millibland didn't get it, it would have been an utter disaster.

I thought you'd be upset - given your concerns about voting issues with such a minority vote running the entire country?

You're kidding right? This is exactly what the SNP want, the "labour coalition" was a compromise, now they can steamroller with another referendum. It couldn't be any better for the diehard nationalists.

The SNP would have to say "thank you very much" to their Tory friends to get this.

But then yeah, Tories cut skirtland loose - they consolidate a permanent conservative majority in England/Wales - and Scotland can go fuck itself as far as the Tories are concerned.

They've made very good bedfellows haven't they the SNP and the Tories. Neutered Labour and got what they want...

 

[Raven]

Or do you not give two shits about the Union/Scotland?

I don't. I like Scotland but if they are going to be nationalist then let them do it on their own.

 

[Raven]

I thought you'd be upset - given your concerns about voting issues with such a minority vote running the entire country?

No because the final result wouldn't have been all that much different as far as control goes. The stupid thing is the vast difference in number of seats vs voters though.

 

[Poag]

and a referendum on Europe

Oh Christ i'd forgotten about this, this morning.

 

[old.user4556]

Just reading some wild speculation on suggestions that Cameron should / could make Salmond the Scottish Secretary.

 

[Yoni]

I didn't say I didn't give a shit I pointed out that the 'English' part of the UK voted no to coalition.

Scotland was a big FU to Labour as already pointed out....

As for a party with only 36% of the vote getting into power.... The current statistics state that 33.9% couldn't be arsed to vote if they had the result may have been different..... So to those who are disappointed in the result and didn't vote ... As predicted you have achieved nothing... To those that tried the result means that yes the torys can bring more of their policies to debate but getting them through with a small majority will be harder... Additionally DC will have to keep his backbenchers firmly inline which for the first 18 months to 2 years he will manage... After that if not managed correctly he may run into issues .

 

[Scouse]

Just reading some wild speculation on suggestions that Cameron should / could make Salmond the Scottish Secretary.

Like I said, nice bedfellows.

It does amuse me that the SNP and the Tories are more natural partners than the SNP and Labour - but the scottish never really cottoned on to that (despite Sturgeon getting caught out saying she'd rather have Dave as PM)...

 

[Scouse]

The current statistics state that 33.9% couldn't be arsed to vote if they had the result may have been different.....

But it wouldn't have been...

You keep harping on about that tho if it makes you feel better about "lazy" people. Scotland is a fantastic example of what happens when political parties give you something worth voting for.

We'll leave the point that you don't care about people who think that democracy is bent and the fact that you don't change a bent system by voting...

 

[Embattle]

The general result was in the direction I expected but not by the resulting numbers, overall I'm fairly happy with the result.

 

[Yoni]

You are in no position to dictate my thoughts on democracy @Scouse. I would gain most from a labour government in my pocket but the UK under Labour would be completely fucked especially Milliband and Balls. I go to great lengths to vote or spoil my ballot as I am overseas because I do believe it is the responsibility of everyone even more so if you want to make a change. This year I voted in hope there would be a majority government. Next general election will be my last in the UK as I will be away for 12 years.

 

[Fweddy]

My issue with not voting is that it all the non-voters just seem to get classed as apathetic and then ignored. But then most of the people who vote get ignored too so it hardly matters either way.

 

[Draylor]

Although it's hard for people to get this into their heads, a vote for the SNP doesn't mean a vote for independence. ... As I've already said, the SNP is the ultimate "fuck you labour" vote.

It continues to amaze me how pretty much everyone in Scotland understands this but the English politicians just cannot get it through their heads.

It has nothing to do with independence, and actually not a great deal to do with the SNP. It is an anti-Labour vote, Scotland has simply had enough of being taken for granted.

David Cameron played the anti-SNP card very well over the last few weeks, but he will need to change his tune quickly - the next Scottish elections are due next May.

 

[Scouse]

You are in no position to dictate my thoughts on democracy @Scouse. ... I do believe it is the responsibility of everyone even more so if you want to make a change

I'm not dictating your thoughts on democracy - I'm simply reflecting them back at you.

I'm only persisting because you're either refusing or actually can't answer the question - how do people who believe that voting doesn't bring about change bring about a change through voting?

Your stance on the issue is oxymoronic...

 

[DaGaffer]

Tories at 317. Looking at the map with 18 seats left it looks like they'll get the nine they need. Also, what's going on with South Thanet? Still not declared. I really want Farage to get butt fucked by Al Murray.

 

[Scouse]

Bye bye Farage.

Al Murray looking amusing as the results come in. Conservatives take it tho...

 

[Yoni]

I answered it clearly there is no way except via a spoiled ballot - ie none of the parties are for me AND by actively doing something to make a change. Find a group of like minded activists, start your own, petition local councils.... do something. Changes have never occurred as a result of sitting there grouped with lots of people considered apathetic doing nothing.

When i lived in Nuneaton for my sins it was a heavy Labour constituency. They had been in power since 1992 (83% turn out) and in the right area of the UK to have a real hatred for the Tory's. I still vote in that constituency and it went from Labour 2001 (60% turn out) and 2005 (62% turn out and reduced majority) to conservative in 2010 (66% turn out) and an increased majority in 2015 (and small increase turn out again 67%).

 

[Scouse]

I answered it clearly there is no way except via a spoiled ballot.

I... just...

 

[Poag]

So long Nigel 'No no no let me speak' Farage, the world is a better place for your passing...

 

[Scouse]

Hail our new overlords!

 

[old.user4556]

So happy at Farage getting pumped.

 

[Yoni]

Please diss some of them all you like but just don't go near Boris - he is just awesome

 

[Scouse]

don't go near Boris - he is just awesome

 

[Gwadien]

Labour needs to remove front benchers that has anything to do with Brown-Blair.

Get Jim Murphy as the boss.

Get him shouting at Cameron for being too middle class

Win 2020 election.

 

[Scouse]

What do the Scots think of Jim Murphy @Big G?

 

[Gwadien]

What do the Scots think of Jim Murphy @Big G?

Obviously not loads, because he lost.

But still, as a leader, he could be excellent, especially if he manages to drag some Scottish seats back.

 

[Draylor]

Decent enough bloke who was utterly screwed by his own party.

 

[Gwadien]

More importantly though, he's Scottish, he's got a clear working class background, and he as a backbone.

 

[Poag]

I dont think this is getting enough coverage atm.



By % of vote. UKIP are a great example of why Proportional representation should be a thing. Of the whole country they got (almost) 3x the vote of the SNP. But a 50th the representation.

Can throw the same example at the Lib Dems... twice the vote, 14% the rep.

I just dont think thats right....