Football The 2012 / 2013 Season Thread

[Scouse]

lol I hope this is not true.

Isn't "Spanish Twat" a statement of fact?

Unsurprising that this is Chelski. They probably want payback for the John Terry thing and Clattenburg has presented himself as a victim.

This is the sort of shit that happens when you ban insults.

 

[megadave]

Nobody could be that stupid tbh

 

[Scouse]

Nobody could be that stupid tbh

I'm presuming you're talking about childish chelski for throwing their toys out of the pram and causing another tedious shitstorm because they feel hard done by?


Edit: How come we're "allowed" to read about him saying "Spanish Twat" but we're not allowed to read the allegation over the racial insult? This is just more fucking gayness of the highest order.

 

[Gray]

Say last day of the season saints have goal wrongly disallowed and we end up relegated because we only got 1 point instead of 3. Hypothetical obviously, but I think I'd struggle to see the funny side.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/ever...c-that-cost-bolton-so-dearly-100252-28158383/

One which i will never forget myself, how we lucked out there indeed.

 

[Scouse]

The police could also yet become involved after the lawyer behind the mooted black players' breakaway union, Peter Herbert, made a written complaint to the Metropolitan Police Service.
He wrote: "The Society of Black Lawyers wishes to record the incident that took place at Chelsea FC as a racial incident according to ACPO guidelines.
"Our information is that racist remarks were directed at John Mikel Obi and at Juan Mata.

What a bunch of cunts.

Mwaaaah! I read in the papers that someone said something to someone! I'm telling the police!

 

[megadave]

I'm presuming you're talking about childish chelski for throwing their toys out of the pram and causing another tedious shitstorm because they feel hard done by?


Edit: How come we're "allowed" to read about him saying "Spanish Twat" but we're not allowed to read the allegation over the racial insult? This is just more fucking gayness of the highest order.

So what do you think a club should do if not one but two players in separate instances claims an official has abused them inappropriately?

And nowhere has confirmed what either of the allegations are yet.

 

[Scouse]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/ever...c-that-cost-bolton-so-dearly-100252-28158383/

One which i will never forget myself, how we lucked out there indeed.

Excellent story

One that will never happen again if the TV-replay mob get their grubby little way.

 

[Scouse]

Sensible question

I agree with your point MightyDavington. However, I'll freely admit I smell fish and I'm jumping to conclusions.

I think Chelski (rightly or wrongly) feel hard done by with Terrygate, there have been dressing-room conversations about how the "refs say this sort of shit all the time yet they get away with it", the bods at Chelski think it'd open the debate further to show the complexity of the problem and a ref getting caught doing what Terry did shows that it's "not just Chelski, it's a culture thing" - meaning they claw back some of their reputational damage.

So I reckon someone's told the players to make complaints about things that they'd probably normally let pass - like being called a "Spanish twat"....

....so I reckon.

 

[megadave]

I'm not sure, if it was just normal swearing I don't think anyone would be bothered but being racist or even just xenophobic is out of order and has no place coming from a referee. Although with Clattenburg being so useless yesterday perhaps they felt aggrieved enough to complain.

Anyway I don't see how they can prove it if nothing was recorded, as if the other officials would ever dob over their mate, just like Cole


Whatever happens at least the inept twat won't officiate one of our matches again

 

[rynnor]

Refs have no business to go around insulting players - that's hardly going to calm things down?

 

[cHodAX]

If there is zero proof you can expect the FA to charge Chelsea.

 

[megadave]

For what?

That would put a great message out about reporting abuse wouldn't it?

 

[cHodAX]

For what?

That would put a great message out about reporting abuse wouldn't it?

If they are fabricated claims and there is a small chance that may be the case then the FA will act, there has just been too much stink around Chelsea over the last few years and I think the FA will act to protect the referees if they suspect any agenda on Chelsea's behalf.

 

[caLLous]

I would be amazed if there's any truth to these claims. I just don't see one of the most highly regarded refs around being so fucking stupid, for one thing. It stinks quite a bit of Chelsea going behind closed doors after the match and trying to find a way to punish Clattenburg and tarnish his name after what they see as a bad refereeing performance.

And what are you smoking Scouse, bring on the tech ffs.

 

[Raven]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20128129

roflchops

 

[soze]

For what?

That would put a great message out about reporting abuse wouldn't it?

They give you a game ban for appealing when its groundless so accusing a ref of racism just because you think he called the game wrong would be stamped on.

I am not saying I think they are lying but I had a feeling that your players would be looking for a reason to attack someone after the terry thing.

 

[rynnor]

If they are fabricated claims and there is a small chance that may be the case then the FA will act, there has just been too much stink around Chelsea over the last few years and I think the FA will act to protect the referees if they suspect any agenda on Chelsea's behalf.

I dont think even the FA would be that stupid - it would set a terrible precedant and would clearly demonstrate that they were not serious about racism and that anyone who said anything that wasn't proven true will be punished.

Tbh I dont think this has anything to do with some organised chelsea tactic - my instinct says something did go on.

 

[soze]

Tbh I dont think this has anything to do with some organised chelsea tactic - my instinct says something did go on.

Most other clubs I would agree but the chavs have shown a massive lack of class through this whole thing and I would not put it past some of their senior players arranging this.

 

[cHodAX]

I dont think even the FA would be that stupid - it would set a terrible precedant and would clearly demonstrate that they were not serious about racism and that anyone who said anything that wasn't proven true will be punished.

Tbh I dont think this has anything to do with some organised chelsea tactic - my instinct says something did go on.

Is your instinct not telling also asking you why Clattenberg, a ref with 100's of top flight games under his belt, one of the elite referees in world football would throw away his entire career when he knows that despite any mistakes made in that game that the Refs Union would back him to the hilt? The pressure was not so immense that he would crack and racially abuse anyone, it just doesn't add up and if he is proven guilty then obviously something has gone badly wrong inside his head for him to commit career suicide.

 

[Scouse]

my instinct says something did go on.

My instinct is that something did go on - but it goes on every week in every football match and is a normal part of the game.

My instinct is that Chelski are using that normal behaviour and highlighting it for their own gain - even though it's never been a problem before.

Political games at the expense of normal peoples lives.

The pressure was not so immense that he would crack and racially abuse anyone, it just doesn't add up

What adds up is that calling spaniards spanish twats and whatever he allegedly called Obi Mikel has been going on for a long time and is considered normal banter - and that Chelski is now "redefining" that - and the FA is going to have to act.

Punishment. Toys/Pram/Terrycunt/Abramotwat.

 

[rynnor]

Is your instinct not telling also asking you why Clattenberg, a ref with 100's of top flight games under his place, one of the elite referees in world football would throw away his entire career when he knows that despite any mistakes made in that game that the Refs Union would back him to the hilt? The pressure was not so immense that he would crack and racially abuse anyone, it just doesn't add up and if he is proven guilty then obviously something has gone badly wrong inside his head for him to commit career suicide.

Who knows tbh - players rarely complain about ref behaviour - maybe racism is common but clearly you cant push racism out if you accept it amongst officials.

As to the ref's mental state - it was a big game - he was throwing tickets around like confetti - perhaps hearing that he had made some bad calls on earlier sendings off - getting abuse from the fans - who knows?

 

[megadave]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20128129

roflchops

there's like 25 nominees for some reason, even Balotelli is in there, not to mention Ramos and Pique

 

[Scouse]

As to the ref's mental state - it was a big game - he was throwing tickets around like confetti - perhaps hearing that he had made some bad calls on earlier sendings off - getting abuse from the fans - who knows?

I don't buy that tbh.

Clattenburg is a vet. He does "big games" all the time. It was just Chelski-Utd and it's early in the season. It's not a local derby and not like it's going to define anything come the end of it all.

I don't think it was any cheese off his dick. He was probably relaxed - and called Mata a Spanish twat as banter. Relaxed, normal, banter.

Just like we call Toht a seal-clubbing cunt, or me a scouse twat, or the damn frogs damn frogs, or the dirty hun smelly nazi's. And then laugh about it afterwards. With them. Over beer.

 

[caLLous]

As *if* you could laugh over a beer with Toht. You wouldn't stop bickering at each other.

 

[cHodAX]

I don't buy that tbh.

Clattenburg is a vet. He does "big games" all the time. It was just Chelski-Utd and it's early in the season. It's not a local derby and not like it's going to define anything come the end of it all.

I don't think it was any cheese off his dick. He was probably relaxed - and called Mata a Spanish twat as banter. Relaxed, normal, banter.

Just like we call Toht a seal-clubbing cunt, or me a scouse twat, or the damn frogs damn frogs, or the dirty hun smelly nazi's. And then laugh about it afterwards. With them. Over beer.

Spot on, it just does not add up. However if it does turn out to be true then Clattenberg has taken a fatal brainfart. Struggling to believe that though, he has been in far more pressured situations, bigger games infront of bigger crowds.

 

[Raven]

So football then. Anyone watch it?

 

[soze]

I have been known to watch a game between the Soap Opera that is modern Football.

 

[Calaen]

Comment from the beeb website hahaha

I believe Clattenburg was merely repeating comments back to them what they had already said. He was under the assumption Chelsea players and fans would be absolutely sympathetic to this kind of behaviour?!

 

[Embattle]

Is your instinct not telling also asking you why Clattenberg, a ref with 100's of top flight games under his belt, one of the elite referees in world football would throw away his entire career when he knows that despite any mistakes made in that game that the Refs Union would back him to the hilt? The pressure was not so immense that he would crack and racially abuse anyone, it just doesn't add up and if he is proven guilty then obviously something has gone badly wrong inside his head for him to commit career suicide.

Some people seem to be claiming he is whiter than white as if professional/perfect people don't say or do stupid things at times, while he has had the odd issue in non direct football matters he like quite a few of our refs & assistants have made some seriously wrong decisions in the last few years. One of the reasons people look for other avenues to improve the situation whether that be TV replays etc is being caused by the inertia of those in charge who seemingly do nothing when these mistakes happen, well apart from almost fining any manager/player who happens to mention it.

As for racism I getting the feeling there appears to be two types, the first is a racist such as a number of people in the crowd at the under 21 England vs Serbia game and then racist language where a person temporary suffer a brain fart and say something racist which I think was the claim levelled against JT.

 

[Scouse]

he like quite a few of our refs & assistants have made some seriously wrong decisions in the last few years

Yes. They're human. So the fuck what?

"People" don't (or haven't) looked for remedies for this. Only in the UK is it obsessed over - and that's because the media (who have a vested interest) have managed to whip up a storm over it.

It was bound to happen when football became a 24/7 obsessed-over money-driven freak-show like it is today. Every tiny facet of the game scrutinised more closely than ever before. Increasingly good televisual technology spinning around 3d-mock-up's of each player, tracking their moves, dives, clips, onsides, offsides, yadda yadda yadda.

The only people who really lose out from bad refereeing decisions are the super-rich club-owners who are horrified if they don't make it into the £60-million spunkathon that is the Champions League - and they blame the ref's for their teams shortcomings because they're losing cash.

Why should we give a single fuck about these people? They're still laughing all the way to the bank and always will be, whilst charging outrageous ticket prices. I'm not willing to give up the comedy-soul of the game, the maradonnas, the banter in the pub over harsh decisions, the argument, the debate, the fun of the game - just so they can feel secure that they're not losing their cash "unfairly".