Football The 2012 / 2013 Season Thread

[Himse]

Torres getting banned, if it doesn't get rescinded, may well be a blessing in disguise also as Sturridge will get a run in the team as a striker.

Kind of, to be fair, we need an out and out striker in some ways, but we basically have 4 forwards in some respects, Torres kinda sits in there nicely and plays quite well with the 3 attacking midfielders, shame he just can't put the ball in the back of the net! Sturridge is good, but comes across as a bit cocky, might not be a good thing, hopefully he finishes a few though.

I still think we need to drop Luiz in some respects also, he's sometimes absolutely brilliant, others, fucking pants.

 

[Vladamir]

Torres' game will only run over the COC on Wednesday then he's good to play again, TBH I think Sturridge will be starting that game anyway, probably alongside Marin & Moses.

 

[megadave]

Shame its only one game

 

[Himse]

Shame its only one game

MAD

 

[cHodAX]

He should have been sent of for that, justice was eventually served.

 

[eksdee]

Yowch. Didn't see that during the game tbh, probably one of the times when my stream dropped out. Fair beans, what a tit.

 

[cHodAX]

The ref was still shite though and it was offside but the speed of play makes it a tougher call for the linesman than it appears in slowmo with graphical aids.

 

[Vladamir]

Mind boggles how slowly this stuff is moving through the game though. In 3 games this weekend alone you have QPR, Liverpool & Chelsea all missing out on points because FIFA are too proud to give someone off the pitch the opportunity to review decisions that would add 30 seconds to a game and provide a far more just decision and/or result.

I'm not saying Chelsea are whiter than white in this instance, but everything from anti-racism campaigns, anti-diving campaigns and getting a fair official week in week out is burdened by the dinosaurs who chair these football associations.

 

[eksdee]

Just look at the NFL, every single scoring play is reviewed by a panel of judges using replays as standard. It takes like 30 seconds for relatively clear cut things like the Hernandez goal today. As Vlad said, though, FIFA are just too proud and frankly too much of a silly old boys club for anything like this to get implemented.

 

[soze]

The people in charge of football still think having the extra two officials behind the goals who are too scared to ever give a decision is a good idea.

 

[Himse]

Needs a shake up for sure.

They do it in Rugby as well, and it works like a charm, no arguements, no BS.

Also, I do think Captains only should be able to speak to the ref, far too much player pressure going on.

 

[Vladamir]

Knee jerk reaction to a bad ref or genuine concern?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/28/mark-clattenburg-accused-racial-slur-chelsea

 

[Scouse]

In 3 games this weekend alone you have QPR, Liverpool & Chelsea all missing out on points because FIFA are too proud to give someone off the pitch the opportunity to review decisions .

And I'd rather have a draw than a win against everton to keep the game a human game, rather than some machine bollocks.

I bet the Everton fans are laughing their asses off right now and Liverpool fans are giving them shit for their spawny-ness - whilst feeling a little bit rum about it.

That is a good thing that will be stolen forever with video refs - and FIFA know it.

 

[megadave]

For some things a video replay wouldn't even slow the game down, no reason not to in some situations.

 

[Embattle]

The people in charge of football still think having the extra two officials behind the goals who are too scared to ever give a decision is a good idea.

Yeah tragic really because of the amount of times that has failed at champ league level where it was tested.

 

[Scouse]

no reason not to in some situations.

Apart from the reason that it's a human game and mistakes are part of it - and a great part of it?

Do we want a game where Maradonna would never have scored the "hand of god"? I mean, do we really want such a soulless non-event?

 

[megadave]

I've never understood why having fair and correct decisions would make football inhuman and soulless ?

 

[Scouse]

I've never understood why people don't answer simple questions such as:

Do we want a game where Maradonna would never have scored the "hand of god"?

?

Video referee will kill that. End of.

Is that what we really want?

 

[megadave]

Yes i'd be perfectly happy with Maradonna's goal that broke the rules being ruled out tbh

 

[rynnor]

Knee jerk reaction to a bad ref or genuine concern?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/28/mark-clattenburg-accused-racial-slur-chelsea

I have a nasty feeling that there might be something to it - should be easy enough to tell as the guy wears a mic.

 

[Scouse]

Yes i'd be perfectly happy with Maradonna's goal that broke the rules being ruled out tbh

Ah, I think you're lying a little there

Everyone loves that side of the game. They're talking points that keep us entertained for years. Gets banter going in the pubs and between teams.

Everyone loved the beach ball scoring against Liverpool. Everyone did. Apart from some LFC fans - who miss the point.

Controversy is the best bit of the game. It sells the papers. It gets the fans bantering. It's what the TV channels focus on. Controversy.

Not fair play. Not amazing goals. Not even the result - because winning the league isn't what 90% of football fans can even aspire to care about - because they ain't ever going to win it.

What fans love, want and crave is controversy. FIFA know this. The only sodding country in the world that really wants TV replays is the UK and that's because we're a bunch of money and fairness obsessed retards who don't know that we're going to lose 50% of what makes the game great the day it comes in.

 

[Embattle]

Everyone loved it because it was against LP.

 

[Scouse]

Everyone loved it because it was against LP.

Yep. And it was unfair and it would have been ruled out with TV replays.

Would you rather that sort of thing never happened in our game? Do you not think that would be a loss?

 

[Aoami]

im sure the hilarity of awful decisions would quickly be forgotten when they are eradicated

 

[Scouse]

So, you think they're hilarious and Embattle loves 'em.

I'll ask again - do you not think that'd be a loss?

 

[Aoami]

i was being facetious

 

[Bahumat]

I'm all for video replays. Fuck knows what Scouse is smoking.

 

[soze]

The "human" factor can only extend so far. And I suppose most of the arguments for it come from the cost to the Football Club when these mistakes are made. Yes it is good to have a bit of banter about offside this and foul that but that does not mean we should have to suffer through it. I do not think that every little free kick and trow in needs to be reviewed but in the time it takes the players to walk back to the half way line a 4th official could of reviewed it and either overrule for offside or a foul ect or confirm it. It would have no detrimental effect on the game. If you allow manager challenges and reviews of every free kick it will take too long. But a review of the goal as the players get ready to kick off I see no harm.

But before any of this the FA need to get better at saying sorry we messed it up. How they can review a game afterwards and say "Yes he punched him in the face but as the ref saw it we can not take any action." That needs to change, if they ignored the refs call on obvious mistakes and punished diving ect after the fact it would improve the game. Before that happens though people need to accept that mistakes happen, the fact a ref got death threats for a bad call is stupid.

Also they need to clamp down on surrounding the ref that shit is meant to be a yellow card why the fuck is it not called. That and fake yellows should get a instant yellow card no ifs no buts. You walk up to the ref moaning and you have not been called over then boom yellow card. You walk over uninvited and wave a fake card then boom double yellow

 

[Scouse]

I suppose most of the arguments for it come from the cost to the Football Club when these mistakes are made......

Yep, cost to the mega-rich owners is what's driving this. Not fan pressure.

I'm not sure how we, as fans, are "suffering". I'm not massively hurt by the beach-ball episode - I can see the funny side. I'm also not massively hurt that Luis Suarez's effort was wrongly ruled offside yesterday.

It's always been part of the game. I bet it makes the Everton fans - and Manchester United fans - and tbfh, most other fans, LOL into their pants that Liverpool are having a hard run of decisions at the moment.

Long may that continue. It's funny as hell when we get something awarded against the Mancs that perhaps shouldn't have been - ESPECIALLY when I turn around and rub it into my manc-supporting mates faces.

I want that to continue. It's a very big part of the reason the game is worth it.

But before any of this the FA need to get better at saying sorry we messed it up .....

Agree with this 100%. There's no reason the FA can't sort out a shitload of the controversy by retrospectively doing people for violent conduct.

There are technical improvements that can be made before we take decision making out of the hands of a fallible referee.

Bahumat - I've noticed you've said "I'm for video replays" but like others have failed to address the questions over what we would inevitably lose from the game.

These are significant and important questions. I cannot understand people's reluctance to face them.

 

[Bahumat]

Bahumat - I've noticed you've said "I'm for video replays" but like others have failed to address the questions over what we would inevitably lose from the game.

The reason I did not add any more is because I think 90% of the population are in agreement with me...so you already know our reasons.

The only thing I will say, and I think this is more than enough to warrant video replays - You will cut out all the incorrect decisions for goals. Whether that be Lampards goal against Germany which never was, or last night's Hernandez goal which was offside.

I think all the people who say "Oh but it takes out the human error side of things which is part of the game" are fucking spastics.