Football The 2009/2010 Season Thread

[Marc]

Lol at the Abramovic struggling comment. Last year during the peak of the recession he made more money in 6 months than the entire amount he spent on Chelsea. Poor guy

I didnt say he was struggling. I said that companies who are struggling, often convert the monies owed to a director into equity. If Abromavich didnt care about his outlay, why didnt he just write the loan off rather than convert it into equity? If he wrote it off, he wouldnt be owed a bean from Chelsea, but by converting into equity, he is still owed the value of the shares (equity).

I know chelsea arent going to go bust, im just making the point that they dont have the fallback that Man United do. Man United are the most coverted sports brand in the world. If the Glazers said tomorrow that they want to sell, there would be people falling over themselves to buy it, people willing to pump millions into them. I really dont think the same applies to chelsea. But then again, ive seen nothing to suggest that Abromavich wants to give his toy up anytime soon.

 

[megadave]

converting to equity is a method of writing the debts off

 

[megadave]

i got 54 out of 200, hit a wall pretty quickly

Can you name the top 200 Premier League goal scorers? - sporcle

 

[cHodAX]

How good is it going to be, watching Puyol Lift the champions league trophy at the Bernabeau rofl. Will it ever get any sweeter than that?

Isn't going to happen.

 

[cHodAX]

To much is being made about the Glazers letting Man United borrow the money rather than themselves. If they had borrowed the money themselves, Man United would still be making a loss as they would have to pay themselves a wage to cover the personal interest payments. I suppose in an ideal world, Man United would have an owner like Abromavich,

What?? Get real. As a PLC we turned a massive profit EVERY year, even after paying all the wages for the board/staff/players. United would never have needed to borrow money, all you have done is a floated a potential situation that would never have arisen. Remember we all but totally rebuilt the stadium, bought masses of land around OT and built a hotel all of the profits the club was making all as a PLC who still turned in profits year after year despite massive investment. The only reason we have a debt now is because the Glazers bought a club using zero equity and 100% finance at a time when the banks were throwing money at anyone who would take it.

United are the only one of two clubs in this country who can stand alone at the top as a self funding and totally financially viable entity. The other is Arsenal, thier revenue exceeds thier outgoing because they built a big stadium and charge hefty prices for admission. Chelsea and City are run by sugar daddies, Liverpool don't have the stadium to finance a side capable of winning league titles year after year as they just don't generate enough income to fund the big wages.

 

[Gray]

Normal service has resumed for Liverpool!

 

[Wonk]

How good is it going to be next year, when Hjalte Bo Nørregaard lifts the champions league trophy? I can't wait.

 

[Calaen]

lollerpool

 

[cHodAX]

lollerpool

laugharafafool.

Lets all sing...


ONE MORE WEEK AND YOUR SEASONS OVER!

 

[Shagrat]

what a soft goal to concede as well. The pitch was a shocker but thats no excuse

 

[Turamber]

i got 54 out of 200, hit a wall pretty quickly

Heh, I got 54 too.

Spoiler

And unless you included such luminaries as Dion Dublin, Emile Heskey and Savo Misalotovic then we probably didn't get the same ones. Having looked at the filled in list I missed a blinking lot of obvious ones. Didn't even put Beckham or VanHorseface down!

 

[Embattle]

They are currently second in their league.. I see what you mean about them being shit, yeah

How about less silly replys and accept the fact that on the night Man U did well but it wasn't ever going to be that hard to beat AC playing the way they did, ironically your comment proves my point more so and that is even if you rate the Italian league.

United fans have no reason at all to be worried. Should the Glazers decide tomorrow, to sell the club there would be no end of suitors as Manchester United is the number 1 sports brand in the world, even ahead of the Dallas Cowboys. If Roman decided to give up, there wouldnt be anywhere near the same amount of interest and I very much doubt Roman would get anywhere near his level of investment back and nor would chelsea get the investment that United have. Contrary to popular belief, Abramovich didnt write these loans off at all. What he did, is what most businesses do when they are struggling and that is to convert them into equity, so rather than Chelsea owing him £700m, he now has £700m worth of shares. Its still the same investment as far as he is concerned. He still has £700m of his own money tied up in chelsea.

Put it this way, from a financial point of view, id rather be a united fan than a chelsea fan.

Remove the rose tinited glasses before you walk into something and do serious damage. Firstly as far as I'm aware the club that actually sits at number 1 in terms of football brand is actually Real Madrid, not Man Utd alhough they are the Number 1 in terms of English football....I guess it depends exactly what figures you use.

A recent update regarding MU - BBC - Peston's Picks: Man Utd: The takeover maths

Regarding Chelsea - FT.com / Companies / Travel & Leisure - Chelsea owner Abramovich axes £340m of debt

In essence Chelsea have no serviceable debt thanks to the sugar daddy, not something MU can claim although Chelsea do have a problem with making a profit still which for me is partly caused by a small ground and problems expanding it, etc.

 

[megadave]

Heh, I got 54 too.

Spoiler

And unless you included such luminaries as Dion Dublin, Emile Heskey and Savo Misalotovic then we probably didn't get the same ones. Having looked at the filled in list I missed a blinking lot of obvious ones. Didn't even put Beckham or VanHorseface down!

I did indeed get Emile and Dion. i basically got the fist 20, all Chelsea players and current players


@Embattle. Real Madrid make the most money because they have some bullshit 1 billion euro TV deal, not to mention the strange way they're run. Imagine how much they'd make if they actually did something in the champions league.

 

[soze]

Imagine the state of some of the smaller PL clubs if we were allowed to get our own deals at the moment we all get an equal share but i cant see Wigan negotiating the same deal as Man U Liverpool or Newcastle.

 

[Aoami]

95/200

So many obvious ones missed

 

[Calaen]

104 and still suprised myself with some very obvious ones

 

[Calaen]

sky sports now all of scholes 100 goals from start to fniish!!!

 

[megadave]

how many midfielders have 100 now? 3? lampard, scholes and le tissier (does he count)?

 

[Ch3tan]

giggs.

 

[megadave]

... spent most of his career as a winger ?


I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Liverpool now. Almost.

 

[Corran]

Liverpool should be able to overturn the result at anfield, that said real madrid should have beaten lyon so guess it may not happen

 

[Lethul]

... spent most of his career as a winger ?


I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Liverpool now. Almost.

Not even I do anymore! So frustrating to watch pool not even trying to attack until they are 1 goal down.
Almost wish games could start 0-1, at least it would be an entertaining game then.

 

[Ch3tan]

... spent most of his career as a winger ?


I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Liverpool now. Almost.

I consider wingers a part of midfield or attack, depends on how the system is set-up. He's been more a midfielder the last 3 or 4 seasons.

 

[Everz]

Must win game tommorow, no exceptions we must fucking win.

 

[Corran]

I consider wingers a part of midfield or attack, depends on how the system is set-up. He's been more a midfielder the last 3 or 4 seasons.

wingers are part of the midfield generally, they have the same defensive duties as a left midfielder, however they start higher up the pitch.

This hold trues for the way united play their 4-5-1 (though for much time Giggs been a 4-4-2 as always seemed to have 2 good forwards until recently).

Other teams are a 4-3-3 where the wingers are actually wide forwards. Take AC milan and that silly left winger who was once the worlds best player. He doesnt even attempt to do the defensive duties of a midfielder and so is actually more of a forward instead of midfielder.

 

[megadave]

Ross Turnbull is now our goalie

 

[Turamber]

Turnbull has to be an improvement on Hilarious, surely? When is Cech back? Please tell me its not until after the semi final! Good luck in the Champions League by the way ... we need you drawn away to CSKA Moscow before the semi please

 

[megadave]

Hilario is much better than Turnbull. Turnbull is awful.

Cech should be back for the game prior to our meeting. Essien still won't be fit though

 

[Embattle]

Hilario is much better than Turnbull. Turnbull is awful.

Cech should be back for the game prior to our meeting. Essien still won't be fit though

I couldn't believe we were on to our third GK, personally Hilario is just weak.

 

[cHodAX]

Hehe, Inter got gubbed 3-1 by Catania. Serie A is wide open now and Maureen is under alot of pressure.