WTF? Teenager's brain removed after drinking cocktail.

[old.Tohtori]

Not to mention the root of the problem; using dangerous chemicals in an environment that is filled with drunk people. I feel the same about serving drinks that are on fire to drunken folk.

 

[Poag]

It was her 18th Birthday celebrations, first time she'd probably been 'out', probably drunk, it's not her fault in the slightest imo, it's the responsibility of the bar to make sure that their customers are safe etc.

and as Fweddy said about the restaurant menus etc.

Its 100% her fault. She asked for the drink, she put it in her mouth and drank it.

Who elses fault can it be? The bartenders? Not likly, hes probably made dozens of them without issue previously, she probably drank it to fast so it turned to vapour in her stomach and thus it popped, or it super cooled the inside of her stomach.
Either way, if you want someone to blame, the people who make it on TV so it looks "cool"

She probably saw someone else drink one and went "Ooh look at that, I want one" without understanding what it was.


People need to take responsibility for there own stupidity. Like people who say "Oh i wasn't MY fault i was speeding" whos fault is it then? the gremlin who controls your accelerator?

 

[Gwadien]

Its 100% her fault. She asked for the drink, she put it in her mouth and drank it.


Who elses fault can it be? The bartenders? Not likly, hes probably made dozens of them without issue previously.

She probably saw someone else drink one and went "Ooh look at that, I want one" without understanding what it was.


People need to take responsibility for there own stupidity. Like people who say "Oh i wasn't MY fault i was speeding" whos fault is it then? the gremlin who controls your accelerator?

She clearly wasn't in a state to drink it, otherwise she wouldn't have reacted the way she did, the Bartender should've clearly lined out what the drink was, what was in it, and what it could have done if drank incorrectly, they should be able to clearly judge if she's in a state to drink it or not, and obviously, she wasn't, because she obviously didn't listen to instructions etc, tbh, it's a fucking drink, there shouldn't be anything in it that could cause something like that, apart from the alcohol ofc

 

[Poag]

She clearly wasn't in a state to drink it, otherwise she wouldn't have reacted the way she did, the Bartender should've clearly lined out what the drink was, what was in it, and what it could have done if drank incorrectly, they should be able to clearly judge if she's in a state to drink it or not, and obviously, she wasn't, because she obviously didn't listen to instructions etc, tbh, it's a fucking drink, there shouldn't be anything in it that could cause something like that, apart from the alcohol ofc

This.

Does this mean that once your to drunk you are no longer responsible for your actions?

And really the liquid nitrogen drinks have been around for a while in especially arty farty places, i've not seen or heard of a previous problem (probably as they took responsibility for it themselves rather than "Oh i'm so hard done by!, quick to the papers for some cash!")

 

[Himse]

That's a bit much.

You can refuse to serve somebody a drink also.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You -should- refuse to serve someone a drink actually. Believe it's in the law even.

And as said earlier; f*ckup making the drink, no information how to drink it, no warning, all as plausible.

bottom line; liquid nitrogen in drinks is a bad idea.

 

[Fweddy]

not even remotely relevant

I think it is. If you buy food or drink from any where you assume what they're serving you is safe to consume. Why should she be any different? I very much doubt the bar served it with a serious safety briefing explaining that if she drank it incorrectly then she could die.

 

[Himse]

You -should- refuse to serve someone a drink actually. Believe it's in the law even.

And as said earlier; f*ckup making the drink, no information how to drink it, no warning, all as plausible.

bottom line; liquid nitrogen in drinks is a bad idea.

It is a drink at the end of the day, you shouldn't need instruction on how to consume a drink unless it's something medicinal.

Is liquid nitrogen actually used frequently in drinks? I've never been given a vodka with a hint of Liquid Nitrogen..

 

[Gwadien]

This.

Does this mean that once your to drunk you are no longer responsible for your actions?

And really the liquid nitrogen drinks have been around for a while in especially arty farty places, i've not seen or heard of a previous problem (probably as they took responsibility for it themselves rather than "Oh i'm so hard done by!, quick to the papers for some cash!")

Well, no you're not really responsible for your actions since you don't have a fucking clue what you're doing, guessing 'cos it's her 18th, she'd be off her tits, so it's then down to the bar to decide to serve her or not, which they clearly shouldn't have

 

[old.Tohtori]

It is a drink at the end of the day, you shouldn't need instruction on how to consume a drink unless it's something medicinal.

Quite right, i think blaming her for this in any scenario is weird, unless she poured it in herself.

 

[DaGaffer]

This.

Does this mean that once your to drunk you are no longer responsible for your actions?

And really the liquid nitrogen drinks have been around for a while in especially arty farty places, i've not seen or heard of a previous problem (probably as they took responsibility for it themselves rather than "Oh i'm so hard done by!, quick to the papers for some cash!")

Yes. The bar has a duty of care to not serve people they consider too intoxicated. And if it is even possible to drink the drink so fast that the gas vapour locked in her stomach, then the risks need to be flagged. Its like eating Japanese puffer fish, it may kill you, but you're warned before you try. Where was her warning? (And frankly if there is that kind of risk the stuff shouldn't be on sale in the first place). Expecting 18 year olds in bars to have chemistry knowledge is fucking retarded.

 

[Mabs]

I think it is. If you buy food or drink from any where you assume what they're serving you is safe to consume. Why should she be any different? I very much doubt the bar served it with a serious safety briefing explaining that if she drank it incorrectly then she could die.

nope
as you said, a menu is a menu, if its something wierd and wonderful then it requires something more, safety wise, or control, or whatever, much like Tom's thing about the stone

 

[Mabs]

Expecting 18 year olds in bars to have chemistry knowledge is fucking retarded.

am i that out of touch, or is knowing "liquid nitrogen is dangerous" really A-lvl chemistry nowadays ?!

 

[DaGaffer]

am i that out of touch, or is knowing "liquid nitrogen is dangerous" really A-lvl chemistry nowadays ?!

9 out of 10 people couldn't tell you that. I guarantee it.

 

[Mabs]

9 out of 10 people couldn't tell you that. I guarantee it.

thats quite fucking sad frankly
but ill take your word for it

 

[Punishment]

thats quite fucking sad frankly
but ill take your word for it

Would you bet your stomach on it ?

 

[Poag]

Well i disagree with everyone then

People need to take responsibility for themselves, the state can't hand hold everyone and shouldn't.

 

[Gwadien]

Well i disagree with everyone then
People need to take responsibility for themselves, the state can't hand hold everyone and shouldn't.

I see your argument it's a bit like when Nate gave me a bollocking over when the teacher dared the kids to put some stuff on their skin that would burn them, yet they all systematically did it, and I blamed the kids for not realising hang on, they're crying in pain, and we're gonna do it still? Yes, the teacher was responsible, but the kids still should question it.

But whereas in this case, it's served in a safe environment, so therefore she must've trusted them etc.

 

[Tom]

thats quite fucking sad frankly
but ill take your word for it

How many people know the amount of electrical current required to kill a normal person?

 

[Fweddy]

nope
as you said, a menu is a menu, if its something wierd and wonderful then it requires something more, safety wise, or control, or whatever, much like Tom's thing about the stone

I've been assuming there wasn't a safety warning in which case it was perfectly reasonable of her to assume it was safe. If there was a warning then it seems most likely it was inadequate or she was too inebriated to understand it. Either of which puts a fair portion of the blame on the bar, who should have made the risks clear and not been serving dangerous drinks to people too drunk to know what they were doing. I'm all for personal responsibility but any establishment has a duty of care to their customers.

 

[Gwadien]

How many people know the amount of electrical current required to kill a normal person?

Trick Question?

I can't remember which way around it is

 

[rynnor]

Blumenthaal's an idiot for doing programs that encourage people to use dangerous chemicals usually used in strictly controlled commercial processes - the TV companies who show this shit are also culpable in my book.

The Bar who served this should face criminal prosecution - the girl could have very easily died.

 

[rynnor]

How many people know the amount of electrical current required to kill a normal person?

Piddly isn't it - some fragment of an amp frommemory - most people think in voltages.

 

[fettoken]

But to begin with. Why would you pour such a substance in a cocktail? It boggles the mind.

 

[rynnor]

But to begin with. Why would you pour such a substance in a cocktail? It boggles the mind.

Makes it smoke basically.

 

[fettoken]

Teh necessity.

 

[old.Tohtori]

But to begin with. Why would you pour such a substance in a cocktail? It boggles the mind.

Money. It looks cool, edgy, hip and all that and makes a ton of money.

 

[Mabs]

How many people know the amount of electrical current required to kill a normal person?

off top of my head i cant remember, but i know its something to do with current and voltage being far apart, i think

but then i wouldnt go around sucking on electric cables

 

[Tom]

So that's three people in a small section of society who have no idea how little current is required to kill a person, despite all of them using electrical equipment every single day.

So how anyone can expect an 18-year-old girl to understand the dangers of the gas she ended up drinking? The responsibility therefore lies with the company that sold it to her.

 

[old.Tohtori]

How many people know the amount of electrical current required to kill a normal person?

10 milli amperes through the heart.

It's also amazing how small of a section in this small section of society knows google