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ab_fluid
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no idea what ur talkin about *whistles*
no idea what ur talkin about *whistles*
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Vodor
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All fuck ups ^^
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ab_fluid
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old.Lethul
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i rock dont i?
ps. ehum, something wrong with bw -> Sorry! The administrator has specified that users can only post one message every 20 seconds
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old.Lethul
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amagad you sure owned poon there.. Almost as much as i pwn normally
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Amadon
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the basis of human logic, thought and communication, and subsequently the basis of civilisation and the relative prosperity of the human race, so as you say.. the mother of all fuckups
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Point proven then
Oh and lethul Fluids gotta really make a post before you quote him
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old.Lethul
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lol, poon the fotm noob trying to teach me how to write on bw?
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ab_fluid
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lol lethul, ur good at quoting
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old.Lethul
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tnx
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qae
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Going back to the point of the thread, if straffing was working as inteneded would it not have the same effect against mobs?
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Asha
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Originally posted by old.Talivar
Alme it sounds tho that ppl or some atleast have found a way of strafing somehow and not actually move much and be always out of view.When i strafe i still get hit all the time its just some styles miss but they miss because the opponent slips up eventually from goind from /face to/stick to manual and back ect so 1 min hes stick and i strafe so he /face and does a style i quck step bakwards and he misses 2nd style cus im now out of range.This is what i was pointing out to Arnor but he says its lame cus then classes with some range will win cus they can kite but a tank shouldnt be able to kill a range char 1 on1 any IMO
umm this isn't what we're talking about.
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you cannot be this naive. I have lag. If I lag quite often, since I am a bit further than scotland and on a dial up. If I lag during a fight, I get raped. I don't avoid all hits from an assist train. You're in denial poon ^^
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they are both as bad as each other. NP "owned" when they lvl'ed faster & with aoe stun before ras and resists. NP "owned" before LA nerf. NP "own" with fotm savages. Not saying that NP aren’t good/great players, but they don’t like a fair fight – at all. Neither do JH. Funny how they whine about no competition and boredom yet they have to fucking strafe (and well I think more) in fg vs fg. Funny how the zerker groups disappeared when zerkers were brought into line with other light tanks. Funny how things get “boring” when asd abuse nerfs come through and ppl can actually compete against them. Funny how it’s not boring anymore when relics are back. Am not saying NP and JH aren’t great players, but they’re kids who won’t play unless they know they can wtfpwn w/o getting scratched. I could accept losing to JH often - 60% or 70% of the time, but I can’t accept having no chance to win unless we cheat like them.
The main thing that winds me up is that no matter how far we push things, it always has to get pushed further. First it was bbots, then ultra fotm groups, ultra sc’ing, ultra high RR, now to compete we have to tell our supports to cheat and strafe around (or worse) so they can’t be touched like JH support do. TOA should be a fucking laugh. I bet JH get “bored” again when hibs get the upper hand there.
JH aren’t shit because they use savages. JH are shit because they use savages and still can’t fight fair fg vs. fg.
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I sense spam
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Kallio
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I sense bitterness, got owned?
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Asha
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are you sensing yourself again?
heh that was pretty lame ^^
I got owned, sure. I don't mind if we lose, I mind if we lose cause I refuse to cheat. I am a bit bitter with JH atm cause I like them quite a bit and think it was fun to play vs them when they didn't abuse this quite so much. Now it's just pointless to fight against them, cause the owned outcome is a forgone conclusion.
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this is still one of the dumbest things i've heard, and it's not the first time
2 savages + 1 zerker is better than 3 savages (which is better than 3 zerkers)
if you have a chance to chose between 3 thanes or 3 warriors, ain't the choice kinda obvious?
i fail to see the funny part
fotm or not, the setup's better
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ab_fluid
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you cannot get owned by a savage grp, if u kill a savage grp on the other hand...thats owned
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Arnor
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ye they can imo, you can see it on the way they play, even IF they have advantages, when they assist and take down the right targets, healers heal and interrupt and cc and stay alive, shammy diseases and backup cc's and stays alive etc.
The "old" JH crew is skilled(not all those random fotm noobs they have now, but the "old" fotm noobs
) Even if they have savages and mid support, they still play good, now maybe you cant define their uberness down to the nanouber, but you can get an impression of that they are skilled.
Same with NP, even if they use the easiest road (like jh), they still are good players.
they are kids for choosing the easiest way to wtfpwn and all that (cept poon and rulke :x ) ,but they are good players. Its just sad they feel they have to rvr like that just so they can farm the most rps or steamroll the most enemies.
Tbh im surprised that JH&NP hasnt been bored yet of wtfpwning everything with savages and 3healers+shammy.
Always winning is fucking boring, just like always loosing is and the only ones that dont get tired of always winning are? kids, thats right.
I cba to play mid atm, its so fucking easy tbh. (and thats with like 1 savage in group)
And in the end, savages have hurt mid more then ppl see at first glance, our average skill lvl on support is horrid because they dont need to play good, they just stick and do some heals/disease and savages wtfpwn everyone.
And ofc, the amount of savages we have, due to ppl being forced to reroll to get groups, kids wanting to win all the time and ppl that thought savage looked like a cool class will come and bite us in the ass after the nerf (hopefully) and in ToA we'll just get owned, but we deserve it all, so bring it.
We have sown, its soon time to reap.
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this story is getting oooold
what difference would it make if we run with savages or zerkers
it would just take like 2-5 secs longer to kill one of your casters
i´m not saying VGN are noobs even in the opposite you have some very good players in your lines but you have to accept that you can´t blame any fight you lose on savages
and btw its more the mid support that make the difference than the savages or how long do you think would a savage assist train survive vs PBae box without heals and interupt
i am waiting for the patch myself cuz i hope it will be a little harder after it. atm unfortunately only DH is a challenge
there are skilled players in mid if you believe it or not and not every savage is a retard just cuz he plays an overpowered class (yes savages are overpowered coming from a mid you heared right)
ofc there are alot of noobs in mid too but so it is in hib and in alb
if you going to say now that all hibs are skilled and all mids suck then i can just say lol get a clue
i just have one question
when patch is here and we still pwn you on what will you wajn on then ? i mean if we are sucky none-skilled noobs and you continue losing to us what would you be then ?
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Arnor
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ummm
you know, the groups where zerkers filled the tank-spots. they are gone now, right?
what I think asha refferred to, was that savages made zerkers redundant, it wasnt till a good while after the nerf that pf-bots started popping up, and thats the ONLY reason you'd want a zerker over a savage in group (barring player skill&rr)
zerknerf hit, most zerkers QQ and retire, a week after the nerf I think we were 5zerkers that rvred regularily.
a month after the nerf, and "everyone" has rerolled savages.
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not me... i rolled healur
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Tyka
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We've been around since day one, you haven't.
We have been playing when things been both good and bad for us, you haven't.
We don't have to prove if we still play after the savage nerf, you do
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Read my post again and see if you can figure out that I was making a point. I wasn’t saying the set up isn’t the best mid set up. I was pointing out how some people can’t stand an even playing field. LA nerf = in line with bms & mercs = time to roll something more powerful because being equal isn’t good enough.
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ok, 3 zerkers is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much easier to outlive then 3 savages, you really have to be on the other end to appreciate it, i've been on both sides, and trust me on this one.
just for comparison, 3 highish rr zerkers, capping with anytime style, wont do much more then 1200dmg in one round (if all hits, and offhand does 100ish)
ONE savage can do that dmg, and you know it. so fuck off with that.
You think its a fucking coincidence that JH ran _only_ 3 savages when they started and a good while until poon&rulke joined, then they went with one zerk when he was on.
the savage nerf isnt like the zerker nerf so the change wont be that big, and like I said earlier, you have some players that are skilled, and you have some that are utter noobs.
"old" JH (because JH isnt really old) wouldnt wtfpwn us like you do now with savages if they had zerkers simply because zerkers are worse dmg dealers/takers then savages, its as simple as that.
They'd most likely win some and loose some, not win and get zerged like it is now.
Try playing on a level playingfield, its actually more fun
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Arnor
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Originally posted by duact
not me... i rolled healur
YOU ARE STILL FOTM!!!11
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xianghua
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Originally posted by Tyka
We've been around since day one, you haven't.
We have been playing when things been both good and bad for us, you haven't.
We don't have to prove if we still play after the savage nerf, you do
lol tyka i´ve played this shitgame since 1.2.2001 or whatever the release date was......
i played here when no1 ever heared of fixed fotm groups.....
i played excal when hibs got there golden time (old LA roaming emain with 2 PBae fg´s......can there be anything more lame.... but whatever)
i left excal for prydwen hib when savages got ingame
i´m always up for none svg groups
and now stfu and think before you talk thx ..
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Arnor
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he's talking about the _guild_
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Asha
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Hello. If savages weren’t far superior to zerkers (and to all light tanks), then WTF did all Mid RvR guilds drop their very high RR zerkers at LA nerf? If it makes no difference? They all suddenly felt like doing pve? They dropped their high RR zerks to exp savages to 50, sc them, and start at low RR for 2-5 seconds??
It would not take 2-5 seconds longer, it would take enough time for the hibs to have a chance to dmg you.
me too:
omfg poon wtf are you finding these people?
I suspect most savages will suddenly feel the call of other games, other realms, or they will get “bored” like the zerkers did when brought in line.
Stop going off topic strafe cheaters
(joking)