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Originally posted by Aybabtu
Same goes for your post and mine for that matter!
ofc,but since I 'm the one who made the post I felt it was directed to me so I felt like I had to reply.
ofc,but since I 'm the one who made the post I felt it was directed to me so I felt like I had to reply.
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old.Ramas
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Well, maybe my comment was unecessarily harsh. But I stand by the point. I'd rather people would stop making threads about things like this, and even moreso about window dragging. The majority of players genuinely don't know how to abuse either one. And personally I suspect that by tomorrow, following this discussion, slightly more people will be doing both in rvr.
And unfortunately I honestly don't think anyone will change their mind on using it even as a result of so many people pointing out how poor form it is.
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Ialkarn
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About strafing I personally I would be tempted to strafe if I played a support,and I 'm having hard times whit the supports of my guild telling them to consider the opportunity to strafe (they don't wanna),but this kinda of feature is a plague for the game.
I state a good strafer can get less damage by 3 tanks than a not strafer against a single tank and that have nothing to do whit skills:-you can't land positionals at all (unless the strafer isn't good).
-you can't stick the target at all (consequence:as soon he move away you 'll lose the right distance to hit him).
I guess Mithic/Goa didn't consider it a problem cause the habit to strafe wasn't radicate (this word exist?) but now it is,and groups whit no strafing players gonna lose whitout any doubt against groups whit strafing supports,especially in tanks groups vs tanks groups contests.
In 1vs1 contests is probably even more lamer:I think a 1h/dual wielder user can easy land styles and start to strafe against a 2h user cause the big difference of swing time.
What make a tank a better than another (except hit the right stuff coordinated whit his group)it's his ability to land succesfully a positional,cause positional styles got better effects and does more damage than anytime styles;not be able to use those styles at all cause the simple pressure of a couple of keys, make the game more poor in tank contests.
A shield tank guarding you , a good lvl of moblocking/moart and a good use of insta abilities (insta mezz,sos,bof disease,ichor,insta heals) are a valid defense against assist trains,and if not skills atlast it show a certain coordination btw the members of the group.
Strafing just make a poor and unskilled game even more stupid.
I state a good strafer can get less damage by 3 tanks than a not strafer against a single tank and that have nothing to do whit skills:-you can't land positionals at all (unless the strafer isn't good).
-you can't stick the target at all (consequence:as soon he move away you 'll lose the right distance to hit him).
I guess Mithic/Goa didn't consider it a problem cause the habit to strafe wasn't radicate (this word exist?
) but now it is,and groups whit no strafing players gonna lose whitout any doubt against groups whit strafing supports,especially in tanks groups vs tanks groups contests.In 1vs1 contests is probably even more lamer:I think a 1h/dual wielder user can easy land styles and start to strafe against a 2h user cause the big difference of swing time.
What make a tank a better than another (except hit the right stuff coordinated whit his group)it's his ability to land succesfully a positional,cause positional styles got better effects and does more damage than anytime styles;not be able to use those styles at all cause the simple pressure of a couple of keys, make the game more poor in tank contests.
A shield tank guarding you , a good lvl of moblocking/moart and a good use of insta abilities (insta mezz,sos,bof disease,ichor,insta heals) are a valid defense against assist trains,and if not skills atlast it show a certain coordination btw the members of the group.
Strafing just make a poor and unskilled game even more stupid.
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old.Talivar
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Ppl think making fotm clone groups with assist trains is ok but strafing isnt. Strafing takes more skills than /assist /stick /spam styles IMO.So until a time comes when ppl on excal daoc make varied groups, dont say FO to ppl with class they think sook,sneer at low rr ppl and gank solo ppl but whine about zergs why the hell should i stand and take in in the ass by not strafing?
. Strafing takes more skills than /assist /stick /spam styles IMO.So until a time comes when ppl on excal daoc make varied groups, dont say FO to ppl with class they think sook,sneer at low rr ppl and gank solo ppl but whine about zergs why the hell should i stand and take in in the ass by not strafing?
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Originally posted by old.Talivar
Ppl think making fotm clone groups with assist trains is ok but strafing isnt
Strafing require skills? explane
explane me how an healer/cleric/druid getting hitted and starting to strafe/moving in circles shows his skills.
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Kallio
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He doesnt stand still and let the tanks pull styles on him?
read:By his own playing(moving) he makes the enemies job a bit harder.
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old.Talivar
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I said it takes more skills than /assist /stick /spam a style and as i said im my earlier post im talking proper strafing not lag abuse so u have to know when to go left when to go right when to walkbackwards ect.The prob imo is it makes the lazy fotm way of assist train ganking not work as quick so all of a sudden the tanks might have to actually do some thinking. Like i said ppl start showing some real skills and a bit of variety and i for 1 will stop strafing.
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Ialkarn
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no it dosen't you just have to press 3 keys at same time and keep them pressed over and over,you could do a bit more:change directions and strafe timed whit the swing of your agressors (valid only in 1vs1 contests).
Your fotm argument is poor thing since fotm groups strafe abuses as much as other groups,or even more.
And what you call Fotm is the way ppl want to do groups,you strafe (if you strafe,you said that,I don't know) cause that give you an enormous advantage in front of your agressors ,I wish you could admit that instead to make exuses.
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As long as fights are entered at speed 6, determination exists in it's current form, interrupts exist in their current form, power consumption remains as is, outright resists and % resists remain as is, caster dmg/survivability remains as is, guard effectiveness is halved against dual wielders, I will strafe at every opportunity.
You're entitled to think it's lame, much as I think savages, stealthers, amnesia, the caster/tank balance are lame.
You're entitled to think it's lame, much as I think savages, stealthers, amnesia, the caster/tank balance are lame.
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old.Talivar
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I dont even group rvr.But strafing isnt abuse,strafing is stepping to the side ,if ppl use it in a fashion that combined with lag they cant be hit then its abuse but if they use it so u can him but just cant land styles then they are doing just what strafing is supposed to do. Remember they are vaild keys strafe left and strafe right they are not abuse !
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As i said, strafing is good!
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hrun
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I agree with Talivar. Strafing is a part of the game and a feature that makes fighting (especially "duels") more fun and interesting. The problem is lag and peoples abuse of it, not the strafing itself.
Offcourse strafing and lag will make you miss styles but the same goes for your opponent. Sure it is harder to hit strafers with positionals but with using anytimes as backup it isn't so bad imo. and btw...in group rvr the target your hitting (in the assist train) is often stunned or running away from you (ie not strafing)
Offcourse strafing and lag will make you miss styles but the same goes for your opponent. Sure it is harder to hit strafers with positionals but with using anytimes as backup it isn't so bad imo. and btw...in group rvr the target your hitting (in the assist train) is often stunned or running away from you (ie not strafing)
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Inwhich case, "tanks" = lvl 7 and need serious attention...i.e need to be upgraded, would u agree?
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Originally posted by old.Talivar
Ppl think making fotm clone groups with assist trains is ok but strafing isnt
Talivar, the biggest abusers of this aren't some random group or intresting new group combo trying to do something different or fun. It's the best mid, most FOTM group on the server.
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old.Buffer
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Ive already posted about this in another thread.
How can i miss an enemy who is standing in front of me, when i attack??(target not in view)
It does not matter wether im stuck,face or using my keyboard to move. They are are in front of me I should hit(skills prevailing). They are using an external game feature(lag, even if its small) to thier advantage.
That is something outside the game context and should be considered an exploit
No one expects an you as an attacked player to stand still. I have no objection to u running to a tank or wherever.
When i duel i alway say no running through etc , cos its crap
How can i miss an enemy who is standing in front of me, when i attack??(target not in view)
It does not matter wether im stuck,face or using my keyboard to move. They are are in front of me I should hit(skills prevailing). They are using an external game feature(lag, even if its small) to thier advantage.
That is something outside the game context and should be considered an exploit
No one expects an you as an attacked player to stand still. I have no objection to u running to a tank or wherever.
When i duel i alway say no running through etc , cos its crap
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lag ghost?
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old.Buffer
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ahh thats the excuse
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alme
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every1 that says its intended that u can strafe so ppl cant hit are fucking retards. The ONE AND ONLY REASON that u cant hit when ppl strafe is cuz of LAG. LAG is NOT INTENDED. The strafing itself does NOTHING wihtout lag. The only thing it does is make u miss ur OWN styles (if u are hitting back which a healer etc is not).
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no they dont run, they strafe instead so theyre constantly out of view. And no, face dont help, and no, stick dont help. The only thing that helps is to unstick and turn manually = the one ure hitting turns and runs and cuz of LAG u got no chance of following in range. Get a fucking guard bot instead of cheating imo.
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Originally posted by old.Talivar
I dont even group rvr.But strafing isnt abuse,strafing is stepping to the side ,if ppl use it in a fashion that combined with lag they cant be hit then its abuse but if they use it so u can him but just cant land styles then they are doing just what strafing is supposed to do. Remember they are vaild keys strafe left and strafe right they are not abuse !
U miss the styles cuz of lag, nothing else. Scroll up when some1 has done it on u and ull c it says "target is not in view", then u hit unstyled. And how do u think ppl strafe if not using the strafe buttons lol ? Think they invented some h4x strafe wtfpwn button ?
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old.Talivar
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Alme it sounds tho that ppl or some atleast have found a way of strafing somehow and not actually move much and be always out of view.When i strafe i still get hit all the time its just some styles miss but they miss because the opponent slips up eventually from goind from /face to/stick to manual and back ect so 1 min hes stick and i strafe so he /face and does a style i quck step bakwards and he misses 2nd style cus im now out of range.This is what i was pointing out to Arnor but he says its lame cus then classes with some range will win cus they can kite but a tank shouldnt be able to kill a range char 1 on1 any IMO
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NP >>>> JH
JH, especially Exioce, abuse lag terribly (window drag thingy), that's not really a problem with strafing, more with the daoc client which seems to have trouble sending updates to the server if it doesn't have 100% CPU time.
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Amadon
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wtf? heresy!!!Originally posted by old.Talivar
but a tank shouldnt be able to kill a range char 1 on1 any IMO
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NP when their on a lan yes, when their not on a lan no, you should know this by now as we take your group apart in under 20 seconds now, look at their vid for example and see how long it takes them to even kill the vgn pb groups.
Also fyi Exioce plays fullscreen he's just a laggy scottish twat as all our grp know (Lose stick from him alot), cry more noob etc etc etc same old same old blah blah blah yada yada QQ lolz
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considering 95% of the fights you have against us is you adding onto another 1-2fg mids/albs, I can't see how you figure that
NP play better than JH, their healers and tanks are better, they play better as a team, they react better. Deal with it fotm boy.
you should see him at the start of a fight, that is WAY more than normal lag - if he lagged that much you wouldn't get out of mpk.
typical response from a skill-less overpowered fotm retard.
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Deal with what Amadon Nolby arnt even a guild on Excal anymore ^^, i'm not going to go into depth but you can cry as much as you want it changes nothing you=our rp cow and nothing more.
Ask Garb how to run a proper group, i know its harsh words from me but you deserve no less.
And fyi its rare we crash into a fg fight the past week youve added on us more times then i can remember and i cant even remember a time where your groups actually managed to walk away.
Best regards and love
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deal with the fact that JH isn't the best mid group on excal
even the NP random groups are better
as for being a rp cow, I don't particularly care, I've accepted Mythic's view of 'balance', however I also realise it's got nothing to do with 'skill' of any sort, which is why I don't particularly care. I do care about your healers cheating though. I play from South Africa, with 2 accounts, and I've seen how much I lag, and I cannot honestly believe you think lag from Scotland would be worse than lag from South Africa.
what's harsh about that? get a clue fotm retard.
BULLSHIT!
BULLSHIT!
BULLSHIT!
whenever we've added we've walked away. You've killed us in 1 fg vs fg fight in the last week, every other fight has been you adding onto us fighting someone else, or we/other hibs added and you lost.
you were nothing before you joined JH, and JH is nothing without savages, lag cheating and 20% relic bonus, don't kid yourself that you're skilled.
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Yeah Amadon you won so many fights when we didnt have relics....
Oh yeah you didnt, you just kind of sound like we've really got on your nerves so we must be doing a good job xD but as you say maybe being known as a fotm noob is better then being known as nothing more then a barrysworld whiner ^^
Carry on the flames if you want it will keep me amused for a while longer yet
Hugs and kisses
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