Strafing in RvR.

[xianghua]

Strafing is a part of the game imo like bunnyhopping was in CS for example and when its a part of the game why shouldn´t use it ? if its wrong or right to use it is another question but aslong as its not removed (by making the players solid for example) or considered as cheating (by Mythic not by albs or hibs) its ok to use it i think. btw its really funny how things change back in the time when only alpha knew how to do it right everyone said its pure skill and know when everyone use it its lame ? ....
i played tank myself and i know how annoying it can be but i used a little trick to avoid it =)

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[Divinia]

On a more serious notes, does everyone know how the "strafing" is used?

tbh i dont think so, its totally fucked up and is worse than dragging a window.

i wont tell my technique for two reasons; if ppl start using that it would be much worse, and i will continue to use it till i get 2 immunity timered CC's

nuff.

 

[Rulke-RM]

ban divinia imo

 

[parlain]

Strafe has been around for a long time; /face counteracts the evading of positionals but the run through technique can't be combatted due to servers not updating fast enough.

As long as it's avaliable people will use it; as to the "lameness" of it idd, I've done it on occasion when purge is down and someone is qc rooting/mezzing to escape from me and while it may be annoying as hell to them (expressed occasionally on irc) the same people who tend to moan don't seem to mind using the drag bug during the duration of my 9 sec slam.

So I just figure payback is a bitch

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by Rulke-RM
And we rarely had guard in group and when we did shaman isnt highest priority to guard if theres healers getting hit too :/

it should be though, the shammy is like 50% of a mid group nowadays, only cause of interrupt and perma sprint + fart as defensive tools.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Twotosix
strafing is so not even an issue remove ungrp'd bb's, nerf stealth ,rethink interupts, fix rp bug, make necro pets start to give rps, nerf hybrid insta's to 700 range, remove target out of view bollox from ppl repeatedly running through u. nerf mincers, make dragon fang second in a chain like frosty glaze currently it's a joke, nerf chanters to hell, nerf all pets and hunt ppl that use drag window/radar down irl and remove their legs with a piece of broken glass Then think about strafing imo..

Straffing is a big issue, you should see people use it in conjuntion with window dragging, now thats a laugh especially for the more accomplished ones, let alone the ones I simply cannot even attempt to explain. If Its somebody that has given me a fair fight before or a new person I'll do a toe to toe fight, if you've run through me or straff like buggery you'll get it back simple as that.

Nerf stealth...erm we got TOA for that.

Necro pets? you would not have enough to kill to get 500rp's a day, I'd rather they simply fix the class instead of screw it over every 5 mins.

And damn that target not in view thing pisses me off too ..

 

[vintervargen]

mids really have fuck all reason to whine about assisting tank, not the way rvr is. only the players that goes in SM grps, those i really really respect.

and albsies got bof and sos, so its noly use hibs that should be QQ'ing imo.

the topic in question seems to be one that ppl think different, but most of you should try and view it from all angles, and also see if you can understand the other posters views..

Originally posted by alme
oh wait, we can drop the spd bot! cuz i feel were not powerfull enuff.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Asha
that is bs rulke.
you shouldn't be able to use an issue of the game coding to avoid all styles. but everyone does it so its ok!

ffs it's crap. it's cheating. it's very lame.

you have things like armor, guard, heals, ras, cc for a reason - to combat ppl hitting and casting on you.

what insta disease isn't enough?

I can't even play my cleric atm cause I feel so disgusted at "uber" groups who have overpowered savages + relics + have to fucking strafe every fight. Quit cause it was no challenge lol...here is a challenge - stop strafing.

And no I won't start cause everyone else does it. I just won't play group vs group I guess.

And cause other lame ass things like bbots, savages, and df exists doesn't mean that strafing is any less lame.

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It aint cheating in any way shape or form..

It IS bloody annoying, it IS bloody frustrating but aint cheating.

Now, if Mythic turn around and say its bug abusing then great until then its just another facit of the game.

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
Against a good assist train you're going to have to rely on your warrior and healers. Not on bugs.

JH in all their skill and glory have 0 clue how to do this. they call the shammy to insta fart here and there while they got 1 savage killing each support in 3 secs.

 

[Kagato.]

It is nothing more then exploiting Mythics poor game coding, and I have no respect whatsoever for anyone that does it. If you have so little confidence in your character that you have to exploit crap game coding to survive then re-roll or fuck off to counter strike.

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by Rulke-RM
People getting upset cos they can't just /assist, /stick, style

mjejeeehhehe savages still can kill without styles tho.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Belomar
Rulke's idea sounds perfect. After all, when someone hits /face, they expect the game to fulfill their wish and consider the player to really be facing the target regardless of physical imperfections like lag and abuse. Therefore, I see absolutely no reason why a /faced target should always be in view.

Could those of you with objections to this please explain?

Also, if they would make the "you were strafing in combat and fail your attack" thing happen much more frequently, I bet strafing would lose some of its appeal.

Some people do it whilst poping potions, I suspect they arnt that bothered that their instyled hits are going to miss, becasue they are about to have a damn near full end bar.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by alme
i dont know about u but i dont lag irl.

I dont get people trying to PA me irl either.

 

[old.Ramas]

the run through technique can't be combatted

To my mind run-through (and indeed spinning about) is a perfectly valid way to avoid positionals. That's different from strafing to prevent attacks being possible due to odd strafe-lag effects.

After all, you did just use a different example of run-through to get through the front lines to the support in the first place. As far as I see it - that pretty much invalidates any potential whining about run-through.

Support classes under attack are perfectly entitled to writhe around like a pig in muck and restrict you almost entirely to anytime damage.

That's a different thing imo.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Rulke-RM
So, I have 3 BMs attacking me. What do I do? I could run from them, letting them do high damage back styles or having a good chance at a 7 second stun.
Or I could stand still, meaning they can do any positional they want on me.
Or I can face letting them style 100% on me and my shield does f*ck all vs dual wield.
Would you like me to sit down as well? Or take off my armour maybe?

Aww but then you wouldnt have any excuse when we trounce you ;(

P.S strafing to avoid damage is about the same level of game abuse as using level 7 pets to interupt, except theres a fairly simple way of hitting folk who strafe a lot.

Fair point re: low level pets

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
Your point is?

You'll just keep abusing bugs because you can't take dying? Aww

Where is the official statement that Straffing is bug abusing?.

I still dont like but I'm not going to run off and cry about it.

 

[Stallion-]

okok lets end this with:

you can strafe aslong as the intention aint to avoid taking dmg due to failed styles... xD now where were we.!

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by jarl
Strafing and running throw making the oponent to get not in view msgs are taking advantage of a bug/lame coding of mythics client/server/client position updates. Simply whoever have best ping against the server and/or fast weapons can sploit it.

Anyone who say its a feture, go die u sad gits. If u have to cheet to win u will never win.

I dont think anybody said it was a feature, they said it wasnt bug abusing, and it aint.

I'll use it if soembody uses it against me, I'll use it if somebody has used it against me before.

If your so worried about it, unbind the straff keys ffs.

 

[Stallion-]

eeeeeeeeH! tell me who use +turn on their keyboard?

I use forward/backward.. strafe left/right turn with mouse...

 

[mehuge]

Makes me laugh, all the people crying about a tactic which means they can't WTFPWN quite as often or quickly.

Unless GOA state its bug abuse. Either use it with the rest of us using it or stop complaining. Many people I come across in battle use it, but I am not crying about it, I just try and deal with it the best I can, trying different tactics to combat it. It's never been that big an issue.

If I am /stuck to someone and they strafe around the side of me, then ofc target is not in view. I cant say I have seen any lag related issues here.

I find (from both using it and having it used against me) it only postpones the inevitable. Its just funny when I get jumped by 5 infils to see how long it can take them to take me down when I am straffing around.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Kagato.
It is nothing more then exploiting Mythics poor game coding, and I have no respect whatsoever for anyone that does it. If you have so little confidence in your character that you have to exploit crap game coding to survive then re-roll or fuck off to counter strike.

Damn, so many people have amazing insights into what Mythic put in this game and for what reason.

Its been there since day one, because some people have found a way to use it effectivly its now bug abuse...

I dont recall anybody providing info that its a bug or its cheating, so what you have here is a number people that are bitching and whining about it with no basis or grounding other than the fact they dont like it..

Ummm, the stuff BW is made of, I'll be sad to see it go tbh irl.

 

[Rulke-RM]

Originally posted by Stallion-
eeeeeeeeH! tell me who use +turn on their keyboard?

I use forward/backward.. strafe left/right turn with mouse...

Not seen that rr10 everlast healer from pryd video?

Not only does he turn using the keyboard, he uses it to look up and down too Oo

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Stallion-
okok lets end this with:

you can strafe aslong as the intention aint to avoid taking dmg due to failed styles... xD now where were we.!

Enough of the common sense you short arse caster !

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by Ravenbourne
imo nothing wrong with strafing, remember, while the enemy is strafing they aren't healing/casting. walking through sucks though

Do you know how the game works? A healer/shammie/cleric/druid/bard who is up is effecting their group. A shammie is providing buffs, including end, they can pbaoe disease which reduces the output of the enemy tanks and the healing efficiency of the enemy healers unless they cure disease which can be recast with no immunity timer in 30 seconds. Not only that, but a char that is under attack from an assist train and is avoiding most of the attacks is not costing his healers as much power as he would be.

IRL you strafe at rugby??? This isn’t real life. In rugby if some huge dude on your team stepped in front of you I don’t think people would just run through him. Btw I forget who posted that but the rest of the drivel he posted seems to indicate that he has no idea what strafing is. It’s not stepping to the side. It’s being out of sight/range for almost all attacks – or can you do that in rugby too? I don’t see any difference between this and the drag window shit.

Rulke your reasoning seems to be you would die if you didn’t strafe. Your enemies would be able to kill you. That is part of the game. If your opponents catch you – and lets be honest a well played shamie is hard to catch – and your healers don’t heal you, then you should die. It’s not like you can’t get rezzed v easily. You should have SOME honor in your play. I just don’t get it. Why does the best mid group have to do such lame things when they have superior classes and relics? It’s like cheating at monopoly vs. a retarded kid. Whoohoo you won ! Aren’t you proud.

I doubt they give a fuck, but I’ll say it anyways.
Respect for JH = 0

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by acei
Wall bugs are not a intentional part of the game. Strafing is intentional, we know it's intentional because of the lower chance for the person strafing to get off a style.

I don't see why tanks expect their enemy to stand there and die when there's a better and ingame-legal alternative e.g. i can avoid "some" attacks by strafing.

Oh and for your witty response i only lost the 1 vs 1 with the skald because he used IP and my mezz was resisted.

In other words, it didn't save you. And you sound stupid anyhow. How do you force a skald to IP while straffing? You can't cast or hit him. Did you pbaoe him to death every 20 seconds? lol You don't even make sense. You don't have to STAND THERE. You can move before they are anywhere near you, especially in a fg situation. So you did some lame ass tatics and still lost, that is something to be proud of

 

[Meeks]

They could just add: "You was strafing while hit and take double dmg"

That would fix the problem imo

 

[rg-zorena]

if your support learn strafe and stfu and both fgs have same abilitys

 

[-RG-Jaond]

This is fucking stupid nothing wrong with strafing...

Just some kids that are angry cause ppl dont stand still so they can kill them...

 

[Asha]

I am not a kid and I don't hit things so your reasoning sucks.


Z, I'd rather quit than act so lame. This game is getting tired anyhow, guess it's time to move on.

 

[Stallion-]

hirrhirr (c) lethul (im learning) ...

lucky spells arent affected by strafing ...