stealthers

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by old.Emma
you melee is shite because your weaponskill is shite, which comes from the fact you have 29+what ever thrust.

You honestly cant expect to hit hard in melee and retain your 1000+ crit shots and slam can you

Here`s a tip YOU DONT HAVE to spec LB to 50 you know. 40 is fine 45 is fine but 50 your wasting points there.

You should get a brain transplant before you talk about stuff...
Allmost no scout has 50 longbow. I have 45 longbow. Mind you, I used to have 40 longbow and 35 slash, still did crap damage (now I have 29 thrust).
A scout with 50 weaponskill will still not do anywhere near as good damage as a hunter or ranger. Maybe with 50 spec I will hit slightly more, and do 100 damage instead of 80hp per round. Won't make a difference if a hunter hits for 400hp and a ranger does 2 times that amount in the same amount of time.
Just admit most rangers don't mind melee at all. Most scouts would prefer not to melee.

In order to get slam I have to give up a lot of offensive output. It is nice to land slam though, but it has no to hit bonus remember gents. It can (and has) been evaded 8 times in a row by an unbuffed assasin, let alone one of those lame retarded sb's with 2 bb's.

But stay blisfully ignorant, and keep bitching about dragonfang... yawn.
Regards, Glottis

 

[marczje]

Maybe ur like a 'bit' right there glottis.. (omg i said that?)

but if we stay ignorant about this..u can't say about that if u thinking df is a normal, and very skilled style ;x

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by marczje
Maybe ur like a 'bit' right there glottis.. (omg i said that?)

but if we stay ignorant about this..u can't say about that if u thinking df is a normal, and very skilled style ;x

It is just as skilled as the rear stun used by savages (one most people don't even survive before the stun wears off).
Or just as skilled as a shield slam (be if lvl 42 or lvl 50 style).
Just as skilled as the stun some hib tanks use...
Or even more fun, just as skilled as the base stun hib casters get...
Regards, Glottis

 

[Lumikki]

Landing a slam is a small miracle on it's own against anyone with a quarter of defensive skills, and the endurance cost usually quarantees that you will only try it once.

xx

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by kin
Scout armor = weak trust, neutral slash, resist crush.
Scout shield = 1/2 because of dw.
Scout evade = 1/2 because of dw.
Scout = no speed spell (which can be used very well).
Scout = no pet to interrupt and do xtra damage.
Scout melee damage output at equal spec < hunters and ranger.
Scout bow damage = ranger > hunter (only critshoots is worse on a hunter)
Scout = no decent styles in trustline compared to pierce.
Scout = no access to ap.

These are facts and the advantage scouts has is slam and some blocking(remeber 1/2 against dw).

A good specced and played ranger is a lot better archer than a scout. Maybe some rangers feel they get whopped hard, but thats because of infils, not scouts.

dont forget that litle spec af buff you guys have wich is equell to ap2, and to get ip, purge and ap3 you need to be pretty high rr mind you. speed spell breaks on everything, even if the wind blows in the wrong direction it breaks. no decent styles? df anyone? (yes 50thrust scouts are viable and hurt allot). scout bow dmg is ussually superior to other archers bc they spend it higher, to get our higher mellee dmg we have to spec less bow.

 

[old.m0000]

Re: Re: Re: stealthers

Originally posted by december_rain
ur drunk or old ? cant really figure out what u wanted 2
say there in u post m8, want 2 explain ?

he wanted to say that you and all NS suck because all you do is group up on solo targets.

 

[Arkian]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
dont forget that litle spec af buff you guys have wich is equell to ap2, and to get ip, purge and ap3 you need to be pretty high rr mind you. speed spell breaks on everything, even if the wind blows in the wrong direction it breaks. no decent styles? df anyone? (yes 50thrust scouts are viable and hurt allot). scout bow dmg is ussually superior to other archers bc they spend it higher, to get our higher mellee dmg we have to spec less bow.

Spec AF buff? that's clerics m8 not infs

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by Arkian
Spec AF buff? that's clerics m8 not infs

try following the thread, this is about buffed archers => spec af buff

 

[december_rain]

Originally posted by old.m0000
he wanted to say that you and all NS suck because all you do is group up on solo targets.

oh ok

 

[dracus]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
How odd...
Lets see.
I get lucky, and I land my slam (no to hit bonus) and do 150hp damage. I then get even luckier, and the lame sb or ns does not have purge ready. Great, I get one free critshot (600-800hp damage). Oh, ffs, the SB has more than 1k hp left...

Great, I start hitting the SB using my thrust styles (29 thrust spec, had to go 42 shield for the slam) doing a massive 80-100hp damage every 2-3s. Oddly enough, the sb is hacking away at me for about 3 times the damage. Luckily, my IP is up, and so with the SB at around 40% hp left, I use IP. Sadly, the SB proceeds to gank the crap out of me, and leaves me dead with 20% hp left.

Story would be more or less the same for an NS really.
A ranger will gank the crap out of me in straight melee, and so will a hunter (strongest archer class in the game imho).
Offense owns defense in this game really, just look at the savages raping anything in their path (well, their advanced evade is a tad silly).
So right now, Hunters own Rangers who own Scouts under normal circumstances.
And all you idiot hib and mid stealthers do is bitch about Albs zerging while you guys do it 20 times more. Don't get near the amg and you won't get zerged by Alb stealthers...
Regards, Glottis

/Dracus

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by december_rain
How come there is like a shit load more high lvl infls and sbs
then ns`s ? and "last weeks rps" is dominated by sbs and infls over ns`s.. fair question since im just wondering.

**not a whine**

easy to solve, just make the hib roan solo or duo
and not as FG+ add... this way they will get more rp...

and more fun

 

[Ximadir]

Re: Re: stealthers

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
No idea, I just got ganked by some lame ass retarded NS grouping with another lame ass retarded ns...
Names started with Cyclone or something, and the last month of the year...

There are more albs and mids than hibs, so that is part one.
Part 2 is that till a decent rr lvl ns suck pretty badly (you kind of need ap to live).
For the rest there is nothing wrong at all with decent rr ns's.
Regards, Glottis

Cry more noob

Such bullshit that ns need ap to win i can tell you this the last few days i used ap3 five times.

Its mostly i pwn them badly or get zerged I aint gonna wajn if they remove ap from ns cause that leaves me points for mop4 and viper then you got something to wajn about ;p

 

[december_rain]

Re: Re: Re: stealthers

Originally posted by Ximadir
Cry more noob

Such bullshit that ns need ap to win i can tell you this the last few days i used ap3 five times.

Its mostly i pwn them badly or get zerged I aint gonna wajn if they remove ap from ns cause that leaves me points for mop4 and viper then you got something to wajn about ;p

what he said

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
dont forget that litle spec af buff you guys have wich is equell to ap2, and to get ip, purge and ap3 you need to be pretty high rr mind you. speed spell breaks on everything, even if the wind blows in the wrong direction it breaks. no decent styles? df anyone? (yes 50thrust scouts are viable and hurt allot). scout bow dmg is ussually superior to other archers bc they spend it higher, to get our higher mellee dmg we have to spec less bow.

The point is that the points you spend in melee is more worth it for rangers than it's for scouts. The gain you get from speccing melee is larger than the gain is for scouts to spec bow higher than what rangers do.

Scout melee is slightly too weak, in both PVE and RVR. Scout defense IS too weak against DW'ing classes, the natural predators of the scout.

Scouts ARE lacking something in the melee department, but I'd rather wait a bit to make it more obvious as other classes are being balanced to see what would be right since archery classes are difficult to balance correctly.

 

[lenilas]

I call BS on the scout's too weak thing, my RR4 retired Ranger was wtfpwnd many times by scouts melee... Shoot a scout, he equips shield and runs at you, blocking the majority if not all of inc arrows, so you switch to melee, Scout Stuns you, now you either HAVE to have Purge to win or alot of luck simple as that. Even if you purge off the stun, you have just used an RA to get past a scout basic attack. Tend to find most scouts Stun the back off and drop a few arrows into their target, if you got no purge, your fecked.

Forgive me for some reason but i was led to believe ALL Archer classes were weak at melee and their strength was their bow funnily enuff??? Sure rangers get CD, a shite specline that gives them access to dual wield, the styles themselves arent that great for a ranger but they can wield 2 weapons, only reason 99% of rangers wtfpwn scouts and others in melee is because they tend to put more points into CD than they do Pathfinding Their CLASS Defining specline apparently... If Mythic got off their arses and fixed Pathfinding to be somewhat useful, you would see alot more rangers speccing in it maybe and lowering their CD, thus making their melee a little weaker maybe.

As it stands now, most bow spec'd rangers will more than likely lose a 1 on 1 melee to a Hunter and a scout without the aid of Ra's.

 

[kin]

Originally posted by lenilas
I call BS on the scout's too weak thing, my RR4 retired Ranger was wtfpwnd many times by scouts melee... Shoot a scout, he equips shield and runs at you, blocking the majority if not all of inc arrows, so you switch to melee, Scout Stuns you, now you either HAVE to have Purge to win or alot of luck simple as that. Even if you purge off the stun, you have just used an RA to get past a scout basic attack. Tend to find most scouts Stun the back off and drop a few arrows into their target, if you got no purge, your fecked.

Forgive me for some reason but i was led to believe ALL Archer classes were weak at melee and their strength was their bow funnily enuff??? Sure rangers get CD, a shite specline that gives them access to dual wield, the styles themselves arent that great for a ranger but they can wield 2 weapons, only reason 99% of rangers wtfpwn scouts and others in melee is because they tend to put more points into CD than they do Pathfinding Their CLASS Defining specline apparently... If Mythic got off their arses and fixed Pathfinding to be somewhat useful, you would see alot more rangers speccing in it maybe and lowering their CD, thus making their melee a little weaker maybe.

As it stands now, most bow spec'd rangers will more than likely lose a 1 on 1 melee to a Hunter and a scout without the aid of Ra's.

What is it in my list you dont understand ?

Good resist on armor + dw + ap >> s&b in melee at even spec.

Why u think every goddamn new fotm tank in the game is a dw
tank and not a s&b tank ?

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by kin
What is it in my list you dont understand ?

Good resist on armor + dw + ap >> s&b in melee at even spec.

Why u think every goddamn new fotm tank in the game is a dw
tank and not a s&b tank ?

damage>defense in fotm RvR groups. However in 1vs1 there is more of a balance. But DW is better than a slow twohander, which is proven by all fotm tanks being dw.

And lenilas, rangers dont have to put many points in CD to get a reasonable big advantage out of it. 230 points in it gives you 21 CD (32 without RR) so 46.8% chance on swinging your offhand. Which increases with .68% every RR. CD styles might be shit, but the line on itself is a nice place to put a few points in and gives you back alot of extra damage.

 

[ingrid]

amusing that noone even mentions the hunter to be supperior arhcerer... ok we have less range we dont have 5.5 bows. i do buy those facts but i dont think ive ever lost to a scout in melee, our pet is excelent interrupter for both casters and archerers. and when it comes to melee dmg, a hunters melee is normaly higher then an infs melee... speaking of WS the hunters WS is slightly higher then the infs... dunno rr3 for me =1500 WS 1772 WS with bow.... kk i may not hurt as much as a scout with bow... but nerf 80 dmg bow and give me 3 times higher melee dmg then a scout... besides the hunter aint that affected by slam either, as we have a pet to interrupt his critshot. hunters gets AP IP about everything useful as the ranger has. but a useful interrupting pet instead of slighly higher bow dmg... id say hunters has the upper hand.

something is wrong when u end up in a pure melee fight vs SST as rr3 hunter, and until he hits DF ur winning... ^^ thats vs an assasin in melee...

slash infs demands an IP
thrust infs a Purge

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
A scout with 50 weaponskill will still not do anywhere near as good damage as a hunter or ranger. Maybe with 50 spec I will hit slightly more, and do 100 damage instead of 80hp per round.

Ask Aussie for some help you need it

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Ask Aussie for some help you need it

No, the only reason I might need Aussie is cause retarded gimps like you have been duo'ing for ages, forcing everyone to group up instead of remaining solo.
The only people that gank me are those in groups, I have yet to meet a solo char in the passed week.
And please don't tell me how to play when you make only 45k in a week. I don't mind Aussie telling me how to play rvr when he makes 3 times my number in rp's, but 45k even a random alb group can make. But try soloing, and maybe you will get double the amount of rp's?
Regards, Glottis

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
No, the only reason I might need Aussie is cause retarded gimps like you have been duo'ing for ages, forcing everyone to group up instead of remaining solo.
The only people that gank me are those in groups, I have yet to meet a solo char in the passed week.
And please don't tell me how to play when you make only 45k in a week. I don't mind Aussie telling me how to play rvr when he makes 3 times my number in rp's, but 45k even a random alb group can make. But try soloing, and maybe you will get double the amount of rp's?
Regards, Glottis

Yeah I duo how does that force you to group up with 7 other stealthers?

And about last week rp, wtf does that have to do with it? my isp have been down for 3days ( tack för det televerket ) and spent alot of time on pryd when it's just been unplayable on excal cause of fotminfils

 

[dexa]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
No, the only reason I might need Aussie is cause retarded gimps like you have been duo'ing for ages, forcing everyone to group up instead of remaining solo.
The only people that gank me are those in groups, I have yet to meet a solo char in the passed week.
And please don't tell me how to play when you make only 45k in a week. I don't mind Aussie telling me how to play rvr when he makes 3 times my number in rp's, but 45k even a random alb group can make. But try soloing, and maybe you will get double the amount of rp's?
Regards, Glottis

rps is about playtime and what u like...

i can have fun in rvr when i get 2k in 1h its how u whant to play sneek or not....

Have fun > rps

for me anyway

/puss

 

[fl3a]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
doing a massive 80-100hp damage every 2-3s. Oddly enough, the sb is hacking away at me for about 3 times the damage.

lost ya there ... SB doing 300 dmg? wtftank

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Yeah I duo how does that force you to group up with 7 other stealthers?

And about last week rp, wtf does that have to do with it? my isp have been down for 3days ( tack för det televerket ) and spent alot of time on pryd when it's just been unplayable on excal cause of fotminfils

You only duo so Nalistah can find his way to amg - he gets lost on his own otherwise.

(And duo - normally its you, two others and two buffbots. So duo - thats an interesting definition....)

 

[old.fatbelly]

any stealther who duo:s can not complain about being stealthzerged, they are the ones who starts the zerging...

 

[Arkian]

Originally posted by old.fatbelly
any stealther who duo:s can not complain about being stealthzerged, they are the ones who starts the zerging...

Agree with fatbelly, the stealth zergs are just a natural side effect of human nature, i.e. if you keep losing on your own/with less numbers go get more people till you win.

EDIT: If everybody stuck to soloing then you wouldn't lose all the time, but I guess thats just unrealistic. As it stands, you could lose 1v1 vs a better player a few fights, then have a few fights losing because it was 1v2/3/more, sooner or later you get fed up and get a group.

 

[Elomiem]

Re: Re: Re: stealthers

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
ns might be best assasin (altho df is evul ;x) but imo scouts are better archers, uber defence, good (decent, or whatever) mellee and leet bow dmg (prolly bc most rangers spec 40bow ><)

bow:50 +dmg add

 

[Aussie-]

the only sb who ever killed me with my old 31slash spec with both RAs up was jox.
I respecced to 50 slash for fun at r10 and i challenged him on irc , won with 90% left after IP..
without the hp difference (1900vs2100) , I don't think i need IP to kill an r9L3+ SB =)
PS: didnt use slam/crit, all was pure sword dmg.
PS2: any sb/hunter wants to duel? ;XXXXX

 

[jox]

Originally posted by Aussie-
the only sb who ever killed me with my old 31slash spec with both RAs up was jox.
I respecced to 50 slash for fun at r10 and i challenged him on irc , won with 90% left after IP..
without the hp difference (1900vs2100) , I don't think i need IP to kill an r9L3+ SB =)
PS: didnt use slam/crit, all was pure sword dmg.
PS2: any sb/hunter wants to duel? ;XXXXX

Yes, a dead drunk 9L3 sb... give me a duel when I am sober.

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by jox
Yes, a dead drunk 9L3 sb... give me a duel when I am sober.

lol