SotL - Who they really are?

[kr0n]

Mattshanes, prolly will, my scout is at 37 now but its tad boring exp it.

And I can solo tangler pulls

 

[old.marteeny]

show off

 

[Turamber]

The idea of including 8 people in your group wherever possible, even if it restricts the xp flow, is down to the reasons for playing this game.

If one plays just to stack up xp and level as quickly as possible then small groups are the way to go at Tanglers. However some of us enjoy the interaction with other people -- whether roleplaying or just getting to know people.

Without the human interaction in this game it becomes *very* dull, *very* quickly IMHO. I would rather creep to 50 (and my god I am creeping and get to know people than race there and know nobody but my guild mates. But, like I say, it's just down to personal choice and there's no 'wrong' or 'right'

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

and other people find xping boring and would rather get to 50 so they can rvr more.
different people different views

 

[Turamber]

True enough! Personally I find RvR about as exciting as watching my kettle boil

 

[old.marteeny]

Yes but have you got one of those clear glass kettles? .. its like a volcano in there, lookit them bubbles go pa ! <gets excited> .. <goes off to boil kettle>

 

[old.Isos]

Sotl have many nice members and is a good guild
the problme is that somehow you think youre the best and try and do everything by yourselves, then when you fail you look down at the rest of albion for not helping out.
but you have done alot of good for the realm too.

Sotl is a really good guild but some actions that sotl have done before shows no respect for anyone else or the realm.

and the way you never learn that people get upset is annoying

so if you wanna get your bad rep. off maybe you should start showing the rest of the guilds some more respect??

and Im not the only one who thinks this way.

 

[old.logun]

Well myself have never liked sotl nearly every person i have met from that guild is ignorant , cheecky or dam right rude "cos they are the uber of the realm" pfft and what they did to mckfly wasn't very nice either when PvP server is out i'll join Mckfly in his army if he returns to kill the cocky sotl members ,

 

[corranhorn1]

WHY ARGUE

Tis is simple to sort out,,,, just shut up for gods sake....

SoTL = 1 guild
Albion = many guilds


You not like Sotl then dont interact with them. you moan you get turned down for groups etc yet you keep going back... why as you after what best for YOU as they are after what best for them...

now i know only few of Sotl and i not get a problem with them... I grouped woth danyan in the early 20's.. now she is a good 8 seasons ahead of me... am i moaning? no... do i mind... no.... why i not stuck up glory diggin fool that you lot moaning come across as... if they want to be self reliant let them... and if they ask for my help at anytime for the good of the realm i shant bitch, i shall be there... why one asks... it all in the name of fun. what brings you fun you do.. what doesnt you avoid. so give them a break. they a group of good people that know what they want and not afraid to do what it takes...

corranhorn

order of the knights templar

 

[kr0n]

Originally posted by old.logun
Well myself have never liked sotl nearly every person i have met from that guild is ignorant , cheecky or dam right rude "cos they are the uber of the realm" pfft and what they did to mckfly wasn't very nice either when PvP server is out i'll join Mckfly in his army if he returns to kill the cocky sotl members ,

You suit him well, almost as bad spellin as his

Isos, we dont think were the best. What we do think is that were self-sufficient. We've done what we've done ourselves, and we expect the rest of the Albion to do them aswell (Im referring to exping now). Why should we help out people who have absolutely nothing to give back now or never. We help people who deserve it. As someone said EG Templars have asked for help few times and we have helped, cause they deserve this, they have earned their ways upto the "higher ranks", at least in my eyes.

And what comes to the respect thingie, at least Ive seen plenty of times when a GM has said good things for other guilds and/or players.

Some actions is not enough, we cant improve ourselves if we dont know what weve done wrong. Or done wrong in your eyes.

Well this is what I think, GMs might not agree on that tho

 

[old.Revz]

Originally posted by old.logun
what they did to mckfly wasn't very nice either when PvP server is out i'll join Mckfly in his army if he returns to kill the cocky sotl members ,

We refused Mckfly a trial membership. It is hardly our fault that he took the rejection so badly. Would you honestly give someone like him membership in your guild having seen the way he acts on these forums?

Originally posted by old.Isos
the problme is that somehow you think youre the best and try and do everything by yourselves, then when you fail you look down at the rest of albion for not helping out.

I'm pretty sure I've never blamed anyone but myself and sometimes the guild for any failures we might have had. We're certainly not in the habit of blaming people who weren't even there for any problems.

Originally posted by old.Isos
and the way you never learn that people get upset is annoying

I can only find out that people are upset if they tell me.

 

[old.Pyrotechnix]

I agree that this shouldn't turn into a flame/counterflame thread. However, its totally ill informed comments like those from Logun and Isos that kinda get me going.

As Revz pointed out, 'SotL' have done bugger all to MckFly. He's fallen out with a few members from SotL and a whole lot more from other guilds. As he's posted himself, people do things wrong and he's starting afresh so thats an end to it.

Where the hell do you get the idea that if we fail on something we've tried ourselves we 'look down on the rest of Albion for not helping out' ??? What total, utter BS that is ! Please come back to this thread and name 1 instance where this has been true. I tell you now, you won't be able to. In fact, your behaviour in posting crap like that shows more of a 'bad attitude' than I have seen displayed by 99% of my guild.

I'm getting pretty tired of having to write essays in response to unjustified accusations. Maybe I just have to accept that people of all ages play this game and it is very hard to reason with 100% of people. Maybe the people who make such 'generalised' comments should understand that my willingness to come and write these reponses really doesn't fit with how you are trying to portray us. If you have a specific complaint then tell me and i WILL deal with it. If you're gonna post stuff like Logun and Isos then be prepared for me to call you on it

The problems from months ago (and they weren't major) regarding xp groups just don't exist anymore. The vast majority of the guild is at 50 and this is what enables us to be self sufficient on things like LB raids , DM etc etc.

Maybe its this that leads to the accusations of keeping ourselves apart. It really isn't that. The fact is you won't see many SotL xp'ing as there isn't that many needing to xp.

If you ever take the time to do a /who lake you will see that is certainly not our intention to 'dominate' the server. We take in very few new members as we DO NOT want to become a massive guild. We usually have 15-25 players online rising now and again to 30+ for major guild events.

As things stand now, we run a lot of guild events which is for our own fun and enjoyment. Thats what the game is about afterall isn't it? These events have no impact on others enjoyment either positively or negatively. When the call comes from our alliance for RvR events we always turn up and help out as best we can. We don't insist on leading or doing things 'our way'. We just take part and enjoy.

In a month or two I truly hope that we are just 'another guild' once the larger guilds out there catch up on levels. It will happen and i'll be so relieved when it does.

Regards,

Pyrotechnix

 

[hrodelbert]

I am know a crazy wandering guildless hobo so maybe this is crazy talk.... however lets think for once second that i was the king of Ireland....(no no must stop crazy talk)... ok a long time ago when i was an exp whore i was in a guild of which i was the highest level so guild groups were a big no no. Therefore i had to find other groups to do the trees with... and i can tell you that half the time i was in an SotL group. I know i am special and big bruisers like bofgrey with there big heavy swords like my guarding skills but this doesn't seem like the behaviour of a selfish guild. Not only did i exp with them i have also done a lot of RvR with them. Being an exp whore is good and SotL groups because of their quality are the best at it.... and you can have fun while exping.... once after i had redecorated my room i played for five or six hours in a Sotl tree group the paint fumes must have been good coz i'm sure that gideon and boney were doing a jig on top of my moniter i'll tell you, they dance good ...five hours of pure fun...
I know what it can be like tho not being able to get a group in Lyonesse and peeps often get annoyed at SotL coz they are always grouped , I flipped once and started shouting at them... the next day Mckfly convinced me that as they were his favourite guild i should say sorry and i did ( last bit maybe a lie ) Anyway we have been friends since and i tell you what... if SotL didn't exist albion would be a poorer place for it.

ps. My advise on getting into SotL tree groups is sit in front of yer pc for a few hours looking sad and then then take pity.... ahhhh those were the days.
Thats my opinion anyway i'm sure some of it makes sence.

Hrod
50th season Armsman

 

[DocWolfe]

m33p

 

[old.mckfly]

no boney

deff (GID)

- and a point to pick with you - your a fucking lieing cunt (dont put words into my house m8s mouth)


i deleted level 50 because i dident get in your guild you are a joker and you would have got such a slap irl


you muppet ,

 

[Myshra]

Originally posted by old.mckfly

i deleted level 50 because i dident get in your guild you are a joker and you would have got such a slap irl

if this is sarcasm, i dont get it, if its true, i can only laugh.

i think your(sotl) looked up at because your good for sure, no other guild like you on prydwen/alb atm, but i dont expect you to be godlike, run every relic raid, kill every living bugger in DM. dont take this the wrong way, but i think people just want to know what your all doing in times of action etc... like where your heading to cut the mids off etc... as they wanna join you im sure, and it seems to be ( only my opinion remember) you keep yourself to yourself, which is completely fair, its just that everyone nosey about what your all doing

Well myself have never liked sotl nearly every person i have met from that guild is ignorant , cheecky or dam right rude "cos they are the uber of the realm" pfft and what they did to mckfly wasn't very nice either when PvP server is out i'll join Mckfly in his army if he returns to kill the cocky sotl members ,

ROFL is all i can say.

 

[Garaen]

Sotl as a guild have the most level 50's, at this moment in time it may be a bad omen, as many people feel jelious towards them for reaching many peoples ultimate goal in such a short space of time. Its not just Sotl who have groups of 3 or 4 members that camp / camped tanglers, i see many other guilds doing that now, i usually inquire as to who the guild leader is and ask to join, if i get a response along the lines of "no we are fine" i just say thanks, and move on. I feel no resentment towards that group for not leting me in, i understand there position.

In RvR i have always seen a member of Sotl amoungst other guilds, and many times people like Nilo have organised a raid attempt, and i for one am thankful for this. Many people bitch if we fail, some even take it to the boards to stir some shite about Sotl. I have no patience for those kinds of people, they obviously dont undestand the the strees and presure of a relic attempt, organising it, getting rams, getting groups sorted etc) - i would love to see them do half the job that people like Nilo do.

My point is, Sotl is just like any other guild, with its high levels, with its idiots, but for some reason many people escalate problems Sotl have, from what ive seen, we all have similar problems inside guilds, its just Sotl's are brought to the realms attention by some people, who for personal reasons want to see Sotls downfall. For those people i feel ashamed, and cant wait for the day they learn respect for other members of the realm.

I see many Sotl members shrug off the abuse, and play the game how they want to play, and i would not expect different from many members of the guild i have seen. I for one have no problems with Sotl, i never had, and from what i have seen, never will

P.S its 2:19 and ive been up a long time, so please exusse the numerous typos

 

[Fightersuntzu]

I feel some insane requirement to post here. a few notes before i do:
A)im a twit. I've learned to accept it and i hope you can too
B)i wish no ill blood.....these are only my thoughts and observations, and the thoughts and observations of a few around me(names withheld).
C)i wont discuss your grouping/whatever stuff mainly because its your guild and you can do what you want

alright. Firstly, when i have grouped with SotL - which is becoming somewhat more common occasion now - ive never thought ill of them in any way. Always good with their characters and civil.

Secondly, im glad you have quite a resolve for RvR even when others suffer from lyonesse syndrome - or when others are sleeping (i remember a small raid that took place when the hibs took the power relic, a couple SotL and several other level 40+ - and little ol' me - that we could muster ran to yggdra to get back our power relic after the hibs ran off with theirs ).

Alright, now the bad news. SotL are viewed - and known to be viewed - as egotistical. note that this isnt anything personal - but it always seemed like when we did something as a realm - captured the relics, for example - it seemed to be always "SotL and some help from the rest of albion."

there was a beno keep raid that a lone SotL assisted at and everyone else brought the rams and stuff - and 15 minutes after the raid someone announced that SotL had claimed credit for the take(note that this credit was never proven or posted anywhere i looked, its just one of those stories)

Also - at least in my guild - there was some anger when we went on a llyn hunt and afterwards hinako the organizer mentioned clearing her hunt with SotL. the way it came across unfortunately was that to some extent SotL controlled llyn and that we had to ask for permission to hunt epics there.

anyway ive gone on babbling like a fool later

 

[old.Isos]

I dont want to see Sotl downfall and this aint about exping.

I have played in loads of groups with sotl over time and I have never had any problem with it.

And I am very gratefull for the raids and stuff organised by sotl members, even those who failed.
and the server would be poorer if we didnt have sotl

and most sotl people who post here are decent people but the fact is, a bit more respect for other guilds and players wouldnt be bad for the server.
calling other people noobs and demanding all drops at hunt's is not respect.

Why should we help out people who have absolutely nothing to give back now or never. We help people who deserve it.

yes, fine if you think that way. but what woudl it be like if everyone tought that way?

yes Im a 12 year old boy who dont know anything about life or this game at all and I cant understand english.


of course you guys are defending your guild, I would too in your position. Im not trying to divide the realm or anything, but its hard when some people do stuff and you cant even write about it becuse then your "stiring up old arguments"

and dont listen to mckfly, he just got 5 months of supressed feelings to let out

 

[kr0n]

yes, fine if you think that way. but what woudl it be like if everyone tought that way?

We'd prolly have a low in numbers but very efficient and active realm with loads of skilled and dedicated players without twats giving everyone bad name who does things better than them. (Dont take me the wrong way here now, nor twist my words, I dont mean we're the best etc that crap)

Alright, now the bad news. SotL are viewed - and known to be viewed - as egotistical. note that this isnt anything personal - but it always seemed like when we did something as a realm - captured the relics, for example - it seemed to be always "SotL and some help from the rest of albion."

Well, we're on of the most known guild on the server and outside it. Prolly most mids know most of our members names and our emblem is well known. So when a mid sees albs at Bledmeer and sees a SotL emblem, he prolly says in /gu SotL at bledmeer. Another thing is that when someone in alb hears that albs are doing a keepraid they ask whos there, and I bet if there is a SotL member(s) they say SotL is there. Thats how we get the rep, with the pro's and con's. Even tho we actually just joined the raid 'cause someone /tell us they were goin to raid.

And can you deny that the most relic raids/keep raids done so far havent been organised by SotL members? Well keepraids are even by now I guess, since theyre piss ez to take.

Actually, now that I started talkin' 'bout reputation, I could also mention shitpapers people read from moviestarts etc, claiming theyre having orgies with 15 nubian and 15 japanese 16y-old schoolgirls (Ahh whatta heaven) etc, could concider the BSers as one of those magazines (even tho I wouldnt mind having 30 of those with me right now)

 

[old.Pyrotechnix]

Isos,

Not a flame but can you see my point about generalised attacks on SotL ? Again you mention 'calling other people noobs and demanding all drops at hunt's is not respect'. I really have no idea what you are talking about with this. Would you care to explain what this is referring to?

If the 'noob' thing is referring to the thread that started with yet another anon poster stirring crap against SotL then please go read the (yet another) long post I made within that thread. Also take a look at the comments from fellow alliance members backing that up.

Not a clue what the 'all drops at hunts' thing is. The guild has never, ever insisted on any drops in joint raids. In fact, 99% of the time we are on our own so its not an issue. Please explain.

Regards,

Pyrotechnix

 

[SFXman]

Ooo, my cousin has really gotten into writing one fine post. Then again being his cousin I pretty much knew it like this since the beginning
Yes, he is the type of person who doesn't mind at all if someone hates him (in fact he will be laughing out loud IRL if someone is getting pissed off at him in IRC for example ).

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

I feel that I also have to make some contribution to this thread.

The reason I joined Sotl was largely due to the fact the Coren had been my old nemesis when I was playing Midgard and having talked a great deal with him. I also felt that sotl was a guild who got the most out of this game in a way I liked it (like raiding epic mobs ect)
So I worked my ass of leveling in a hurry and joined when I was lvl 40+ and I can honestly say that during all my time with daoc (been here since the start of retail) my time in sotl have been the most fun I have ever had in the game.

I also try to judge people by their personalities and even then I dont say it to their face. I ignore them and bear with them cause would good would it do to to spew more shit around?

I've never called anyone a n00b except when in very deep frustration due to repeatet bad pulls ect.
I always give advice when people ask for it or direct them to someone who can, and I try to help our lowbies occasionally giving money to those who ask.

About sotl taking control of the raids I can only think of two examples where we have done that:
1. Where Nilo organized the first relic where most of Albion was there and we crashed the server. I really dont see how we kept to ourself there.
2. the morning raid which wasnt organized by sotl alone but a join raid with the other alliance

the only other sotl raids I cant think of have been our 28 man relic raid and do you honestly believe we did it cause we wanted the raid? No we did it because we wanted to have fun and see how small a number could actually take the relic. The fact the we nearly succeed was due to sheer luck and the abscent of mid.
Other raids have only been door bashing raids and therefor doesnt really qualify.

Cheers

 

[DocWolfe]

we just took relic and only saw 1 sotl there

 

[Coren]

Damn, my stealth must be good then.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.Docwolfe
we just took relic and only saw 1 sotl there

Some of us have jobs (like me, I'm at work now ), need to sleep, do things with their family, etc. etc. Are you seriously saying you expect SotL on every relic raid Albion has?

On a slightly different note, I think Gombur sums up my reasons for being in SotL as well: "my time in sotl have been the most fun I have ever had in the game."

"I've never called anyone a n00b except when in very deep frustration due to repeatet bad pulls ect." Rubbish Gombur, you call me a n00b all the time! Wish I'd kept that lute now!
(note the above paragraph is said in jest before people start flaming poor Gomby).

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

can I give you another lute I can bug you about

 

[old.Psi]

Just for the record, the highest Lords Of England leveled faster than the Servants (with the exception of Soulfly) and we had the most lvl 50s at one point before they all started hitting 50 left, right and centre

I can see why people would dislike SotL, it's human nature to be jealous of people that are stronger, and therefore make excuses to dislike them.

However, the majority of SotL are all great people (with a few exceptions, naming no names ). They can play the game how ever they want.

And as for the recent relic raid, other people made the effort to be there, and I know that theres not much that can be done if you have work, as several LoE members also had work and couldn't be there, but SotL has 30+ members afaik, surely more than 2 or 3 of them could have been there if they had wanted to be?

 

[old.Revz]

I'm sure everyone is very thankful that you've just reinforced the stereotype that levelling to 50 is some sort of competition. Personally I am more thankful that our guild held together as I know having one group of extremely high characters caused problems for you (not least when they all stopped playing for ages).

As for your last remark, the same thing could be said about all of the earlier relic raids over you. Since you had about 8 people hit 50 and then effectively stop playing I don't remember seeing many (if any) LoE there for 90% of the major RvR apart from Chavez.

It just so happens that I am also in work today as well. All of the people to whom this mattered already know and I wished them luck with the raids this weekend.

 

[bonna]

mckfly , i didnt lie about ur house m8 msg me saying a few things , he speak to me for about 30 mins , on his minstrel i think , juil.... or something. he wud deny it to not upset u, he might not of liked me saying it on the fourms as it was a privte msg, g*
u can belive me or not , i wont worry about it, as im sure u wont belive me, being like ur self of cause.