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You've gotta force yourself to do it in real game situations. It's really uncomfortable and will make you lose stupid games for a week but then eventually it'll pay off.


Yeah I will have to!
 

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I decided to subscribe to WCS Korea today. The "high quality" vods are terrible quality :(
 

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hyun stomping nerds ez :love:

Homestory is so aweseome. Can learn so much from having pros commentate.
 

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I think they are free here: http://www.twitch.tv/taketv if you click on videos on the top right next to the chat button. They aren't organised into separate games or anything though so it might take a while to find the matches. Might be more organised once the whole thing is over not sure. It's on all day today and tomorrow too as well.
 

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MLG this weekend! Starts at like 1:30am tonight I think. Just in time for getting back from the pub
 

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MLG this weekend! Starts at like 1:30am tonight I think. Just in time for getting back from the pub


Excellent. I've got fuck all to do this weekend as well.

I finally bought a new mouse. I was going to go for the Razer Abyssus but made a last minute switch to a logitech g9x. Most people that have had both seem to prefer the g9x. It arrives tomorrow. I'm all excited about it :(
 

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Twicth lag is so annoying! The 1080p+ does look good though.
 

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Twitch lag is annoying, sometimes it helps changing the servers (by adding the de. / fr. etc prefix) to fix the lag.
 

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that is the single most funny SC2 Video I've ever seen. Well played sir.
 

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hmm very very custom settings lol :p

strange base build, anti air dont fire, 3 scvs ?:p
must be after a gg :)
 

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Really enjoyed this Dreamhack. That blonde host is fit!
 

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Anyone know what happened to the State of the game podcast?
 

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What is it with people raging at you when they lose in this game. I don't even cheese. Literally 80% of my wins end with a tirade of abuse.
 

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No Protoss. Tonight I've learnt Zealots are a BS OP unit. 6 gate colossi off 2 base is an all in. Protoss is the OP race and my mum is a whore.
 

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Played about 20 games in a row, really got into it. Nearly top of my league again. Getting matched against masters quite a lot now, hopefully i will get promoted at some point.
 

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What is it with people raging at you when they lose in this game. I don't even cheese. Literally 80% of my wins end with a tirade of abuse.

your denting the fragile egos of pre-pubescent males, what do you expect?
 

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Totally got HOTS the other day. Woop! Not brave enough to try ladder without some serious AI practice after my long break. Unranked matches best for practice?
 

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Not sure when to jump into league again
My old 1 rax fe build is obsolete with HOTS and one reaper early expand is the way forward on all three MU's but its harder to get my build nice and crisp.
 

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1rax FE still works fine for whatever matchup, just be a bit careful in tvt where there seem to be alot of 1base aggression in lower leagues. I like it alot in my TvZ build (I copied the one that Polt uses with reaper fe with hellion and viking for full mapcontrol)

This new season has been disappointing so far. I've struggled alot and i've even been demoted. The new maps are complete trash also.
 

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I wanted to get the reaper fe down as it can be used for all matchups and transitions well, I thought that with any early aggresion the 1 rax fe will be negated; I was always rubbish vs zerg anyway and both T and P have better early aggresion options? Having said that, I feel I have less of a bang for buck army at 10 mins; I am not very good at knowing when to add labs/reactors to my rax!

whats your in game ID zeph?
 

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I liked reaper alot in the lower league matchups because people reacted so badly to them and you could actually deal alot of damage. When you get to play "more advanced" people that are used to reaper their only worth is the scouting information you get from them. The problem is that your game knowledge may not be good enough to put the piece together from the intel you get, so reaper opening gives you very little. It's also very easy and common rookie mistake to overcommit to reaper micro and slip up on macro. For me it comes down to preference if I open reaper fe, rax fe or cc first, I can easily do any (I never cc first in tvt though).

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Pretty much the only openings I see in ZvT these days are reaper expand, CC first and proxy 11/11 rax. People don't really do 1 rax expand in this matchup anymore because it's not as economically strong as CC first and doesn't really give you any extra advantage. You can't put on any pressure with a 1 rax expand so zerg can do a greedy opening just like vs a CC first. And you aren't really any safer vs early aggression from the zerg than a high ground CC first wall in would be.

Not sure how it is in the other 2 T matchups. I was playing some terran recently as I've been trying to get both races up to master level. I got protoss there pretty easily but terran is proving to be more difficult :p Stuck in diamond. Anyway I was doing 1 rax expand in both TvT and TvP because I had what I felt was a solid build order for both and it's been working ok. Not sure if high level terran players actually use the build or not because I don't watch much TvP or TvT. It was a bit daunting to try to work out a good terran build for each matchup since they're more complicated than zerg or protoss builds imo. You've got to consider when to get all the addons and which buildings to get them on and when to switch and stuff like that. To get round this I just watched a replay of a progamer and copied what they did.

Coldbeard is right about the reaper openings. You might be able to pick up a few worker kills but don't rely on it or get excited and suicide the reaper. It's better to get no kills and keep the reaper alive for map control and more scouting later. In early game the reaper is faster than everything zerg has until ling speed finishes so you have free rein of the map until that happens.

If you want to learn to scout early game vs zerg the most important thing is to check his gas timing. If you get to his base and he hasn't taken any geysers then you know hes doing a 4+ queen opening. This means he can only make slow lings, spines and queens and has no way of attacking you early on. If you get into his base and he's got an extractor and just mines 100 gas and pulls out (you can click on the extractor and see how much hes mined) then you know hes getting ling speed but not committing to early ling baneling or roach baneling aggression. With this opening he can either go back to droning or commit to a load of speedlings and attack. If he mines 100 gas and then continues to mine gas with 3 drones it's likely he's going to try to do some kind of early attack. See if you can save your reaper and get him back in a little later and you can see if they're making a roach warren or baneling nest. It could also be for a fast lair which usually means 2 base muta. I guess at lower levels there's the possibility that they might do something dumb like keep mining gas and then not spend it on anything, but it won't hurt to be extra careful.

They release all the WCS replays too. I'm gonna copy some jaedong strats.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427460
 

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