So... about sorc's... Am i missing something here?

[Wabbit]

If everyone would stop the flames they would see what I am trying to say. Not even a dark SPECCED SM hits for that much

I always thought:
Mid = tank realm....good tanks, bad casters
Hib = magic realm...casters hit hard and tanks hit like little girls
Alb = mediocre )) realm....casters hit harder than mids but less than hibs and tanks hit harder than hibs but less then mids


But seriously: my fully buffed lvl 50 reaver was killed by a SM some days ago. The SM hit me for 960 twice and a (fully buffed) mincer groupmate for 1100 twice...is that normal?

 

[bult]

Well if thats the case swap the base nuke to a spec and the spec to base, I don't know any other class that hits harder with base nuke than spec (without debuffs)

The classes that dont specc high in thier DD speccline maybe? like chanters or darkcarvers. Without debuffs hmm RC runies still afaik, earthwizard also.

 

[Pin]

Well if thats the case swap the base nuke to a spec and the spec to base, I don't know any other class that hits harder with base nuke than spec (without debuffs)

Give Sorcs (+Cabbies) a 209dd baseline nuke? cooool!

 

[Aussie]

But seriously: my fully buffed lvl 50 reaver was killed by a SM some days ago. The SM hit me for 960 twice and a (fully buffed) mincer groupmate for 1100 twice...is that normal?

Only if you got warder above your head. so in your case. it's correct

 

[Tahn]

Cabalist baseline dd = 179D
Sorcerer baseline dd = 179D
Theurgist baseline dd = 179D
Wizard baseline dd = 179D
Eldrich baseline dd = 179D
Enchanter baseline dd = 179D
Mentalist baseline dd = 179D
Runemaster baseline dd = 179D
Spiritmaster baseline dd = 179D

so QQ more :kissit:

 

[Phixion]

Cabalist baseline dd = 179D
Sorcerer baseline dd = 179D
Theurgist baseline dd = 179D
Wizard baseline dd = 179D
Eldrich baseline dd = 179D
Enchanter baseline dd = 179D
Mentalist baseline dd = 179D
Runemaster baseline dd = 179D
Spiritmaster baseline dd = 179D

so QQ more :kissit:

just a shame non of them mid baseline DDs are 2.5s cast time and lifetaps... QQ

 

[Fedaykin]

PS: Don't be too bitter, ive only pwned u everytime ive met you in HW, even with your bolt ranged mezz. Learn to play!

.

Because there were 5-6 of you against me and galoecjunior, you had a skald who insta mezzed me and a gimp in epic slamming me so qq more imo

and then you and your mates proceeded to /rude me for some reason

zerg more in HW please

 

[mts]

this thread needs some love!

/hug fedaykin

 

[Belomar]

Darkness SMs have a 183d spec lifetap, whereas Body Cabalists only have a 174d spec lifetap. That's not fair but it's a fact of life. The same is true of the new L50 Mage lifetap. Mages did need a level 50 lifetap to combat the high resist rate on our previous L45 nuke. However, I personally think it should have been lower delve (IIRC 156d is consistent with the traditional lifetap-to-DD ratio), but this is also a fact of life.

 

[Tazock]

I can only say I love hadrians wall

 

[Puppet]

Darkness SMs have a 183d spec lifetap, whereas Body Cabalists only have a 174d spec lifetap. That's not fair but it's a fact of life. The same is true of the new L50 Mage lifetap. Mages did need a level 50 lifetap to combat the high resist rate on our previous L45 nuke. However, I personally think it should have been lower delve (IIRC 156d is consistent with the traditional lifetap-to-DD ratio), but this is also a fact of life.

I think the new lifetap is an insult to Elementalists because they should be the damage-monsters where mages should be the sneaky DoT'ign debuffing lifetapping dirty/evil casters.

It makes no sense (to me) that a Mage (sorc/caba) can now get the same damage; for the same mana; pretty much same cast-time but with a lifetap-component.

Its great for the cabbies and sorcerers but I find it insulting to the theurgists and wizards.

 

[Aussie]

Its great for the cabbies and sorcerers but I find it insulting to the theurgists and wizards.

and giving us a shit 130dd for 2 years wasnt an insult for Sorcer/Cabs?

 

[Belomar]

140dd, Aussie, please.

 

[Rulke]

Bear in mind mid only got the baseline level 50 dark nuke recently as well.

PS Xarr you strumpet!

 

[gwal]

just a shame non of them mid baseline DDs are 2.5s cast time and lifetaps... QQ

and its a shame sorcs dont have pbaoe and intercepting pet... wtf u comparing sorc and SM for?....

 

[sorcerer_spliff]

this thread needs some love!

agreed! big /hug to all the HW homies!

 

[Hercules-DF]

i think that new nuke shouldve been given to wizards. most of my pbaoe only does that dmg, single target dds are lucky to go above 250 killing any tank takes about 1.5mana bars.

 

[Shadowmag]

i think that new nuke shouldve been given to wizards. most of my pbaoe only does that dmg, single target dds are lucky to go above 250 killing any tank takes about 1.5mana bars.

ROFL :eek2: sad but true

 

[Asha]

sm can rez and heal !!!
you shouldn't be able to hit hard


but really I don't get the compairsons

 

[Tilda]

This honestly is the most fucking pointless thread.
You got nuked hard in SOLO RvR because you only have 26% resists. When I SOLO in RvR with my cabby, I nuke hard too. I also get nuked HARD by SM's/chanters etc.

Sorcs/cabbys or even SM's/chanters who say they nuke for 250-300 are talking about group RvR where people have resist buffs. However in solo RvR you will get nuked hard.
ie, i dueled a wizzie (I won ) but he was nuking me for 512/530 a pop, I was hitting for only 430/450.

Tilda

 

[Shadowmag]

but really I don't get the compairsons

Noone does tbh

 

[Tilda]

Also, dont get me started on chanter/cabby/sorc/SM combinations.
If you want AoE mez, give it to chanters, cabbys too.
If you get AoE mez, I want an intercepting pet, pbaoe( in the debuff line please.)
its totally pointless.
Apples and Oranges etc.

Tilda

 

[Fedaykin]

agree with tilda 100%

classes are different, sorc is good but my no means overpowered. except in my hands muahahahahaha

no really...

 

[Maoni]

Let me sort this out in my head because its somewhat confusing, A base LIFETAP nuke hits me for around 440 damage (with my maxed resists) and my base cold nukes hit for about 300, with no lifetap.

Is it me or is something wrong here? Since they got their new level 50 nuke the damage is to say the least insane.

I agree they should get a level 50 base nuke, but er, lower damage a bit? Lifetap and 440 damage nukes is slightly over the top.

could have been a cabalist with the body debuff too
its 50% =)

 

[Puppet]

and giving us a shit 130dd for 2 years wasnt an insult for Sorcer/Cabs?

You never had a 130DD. You had a 140 LIFETAP.

If you dont see why I think its normal to have a (slightly) lower delve lifetap versus a DD then discussion is futile.

Sorcs had access to a DD209 like Air-theurgist. If I was Mythic, but Im not, I would exchange the body-cabalist line spec lifetap for a DD209 because they already got a lifetap.

 

[Aussie]

You never had a 130DD. You had a 140 LIFETAP.

a 44mind sorc had a 130 dd in specline.