So... about sorc's... Am i missing something here?

[Remem]

Debuff mage groups are so FotM now, before the patch practically only my guild ran them.

Oh care to enlighten us with a poem about it?

 

[Fedaykin]

Not to mention sorc's get quickcast and bolt ranged mezz, oh and the mezz reduction shield, and the group mezz reduction shield, oh and pom, oh and amnesia... how much utility?

Phixion you dumped your sorc for the fotm realm, stop whining

if they were so good you would have stayed...

:wub:

 

[Wabbit]

lol wtf, our mezz is nerfed to the bone (44 mind mezz lasts 5 seconds max) we are the first to die in ANY encounter and now someone starts whining that we got a 10% better nuke?

I know that sorc is/was supposed to be the main form of CC in Albion but because of all the nerfs/anti-mezz spells, mezz is no longer CC but a joke...stun is the only cc today...

 

[Rulke]

Oh care to enlighten us with a poem about it?

Twas years ago, that the Shadowlords
Spread as they were, throughout the lands
In numbers huge, great raving hordes
Or the elite few, in smaller bands

Did carry the flag of their fair Realm
To Emain Macha and cold Odin's Gate
With pedantic Cerdin at the Helm
They killed their foes, whom they did hate

But how you ask, was this achieved?
For slaughter, were melee classes not faster?
And their foes indeed, were mighty peeved
When they saw they had died, to a humble caster

 

[Fluid]

lol wtf, our mezz is nerfed to the bone (44 mind mezz lasts 5 seconds max) we are the first to die in ANY encounter and now someone starts whining that we got a 10% better nuke?

I know that sorc is/was supposed to be the main form of CC in Albion but because of all the nerfs/anti-mezz spells, mezz is no longer CC but a joke...stun is the only cc today...

5secs? only when ur in the zerg and some gimp aoe's over ur mezz.

 

[Kinad]

Max for a rr5 fully buffed mind sorc is around 430.
Normal damage is around 300-320 against natural resists.
Against grouped players with resist buffs it goes down around 200.

 

[Wilddork]

nerf

 

[Belomar]

Twas years ago, that the Shadowlords
Spread as they were, throughout the lands
In numbers huge, great raving hordes
Or the elite few, in smaller bands

Did carry the flag of their fair Realm
To Emain Macha and cold Odin's Gate
With fleet-footed Belomar at the Helm
They killed their foes, whom they did hate

But how you ask, was this achieved?
For slaughter, were melee classes not faster?
And their foes indeed, were mighty peeved
When they saw they had died, to a humble caster

Yay, Rulke! :wub:

(EDIT: Though it was Cerdin at the helm, to be precise, but that matters little.)

 

[Dawn]

28spec dd caps @ 399 and 35 @ 499
cap for old base was 422 for new is 522

so what you saying is that a sorc hit your < OMFGWTFPWNINGROXXORBOXXOR > capped ressists for 30 damage below cap.. MMMMMMMMMMMMKAY

im sure you got debuffed but you dont really know what that is now do you?

 

[Dawn]

Not to mention sorc's get quickcast and bolt ranged mezz, oh and the mezz reduction shield, and the group mezz reduction shield, oh and pom, oh and amnesia... how much utility?

doing a quick calculation is about 5124.343
but who does that shit anyway? i just nearest enemy face nuke the shit out everyone with my 450 damage base lifetap /flex

 

[Rulke]

(EDIT: Though it was Cerdin at the helm, to be precise, but that matters little.)

Duly edited ^^

 

[Belomar]

Where's the "rofl" smilie when you need it?

 

[Belomar]

Anyway, to stay in character as pedantic Cerdin, I am seeing some uncorrect figures here. The delve for the new lifetap is 179, up from the old 140. This means the new cap is 3x179 = 537 (not 522), whereas it was 422 before (yes, I suspect the delve value really is 140.6). This is the theoretical max any mage will hit for before MoM (yes, Kinad, mind sorcerers too), but in practice, you nowadays very rarely hit for cap on anything but solo enemies due to the fact that debuffs are no longer as effective against resistance buffs as they used to be. However, a spirit Cabalist (especially a high-RR one with high body and thus less variance) still does very well despite the resistance debuff nerf, largely thanks to the new lifetap.

 

[Darksoul]

I was running with the gol mage group once, and we did wtfpwnz0r!
Think we killed everything besides zerg.




Drk Fotm Theurgist
Guild: Royal bavarians

 

[bult]

Mythic on weed again.

Take for example spec mind 44 body 31


Single line mezz 80 secs
amnesia aoe
mezz aoe 72 seconds ( with silly range)
Remove mezz
yellow con pet
-66 str/con debuff aoe
pow regen 5
buff -40% mezzz reduction
group -10% mezz reduction
-46 dex/qui debuff
aoe root 49 second ( second form of aoe cc)
single root 73 second
debuff -15% heat cold matter
life drain 180 with life tap, v.s ppl with 30 ish body resist = 300 damage :eek2:



Not an expert on it mine only level 36.

I sort of guess why ppl rolling them.

Power regen 4 actually.

And LOL at this thread since the creator (Phixion) left his lvl 50 sorcerer to make a savage instead. This cant be serious can it? must be just a pisstake.

 

[Remem]

Twas years ago, that the Shadowlords
Spread as they were, throughout the lands
In numbers huge, great raving hordes
Or the elite few, in smaller bands

Did carry the flag of their fair Realm
To Emain Macha and cold Odin's Gate
With pedantic Cerdin at the Helm
They killed their foes, whom they did hate

But how you ask, was this achieved?
For slaughter, were melee classes not faster?
And their foes indeed, were mighty peeved
When they saw they had died, to a humble caster

 

[Shadowmag]

And another case of alb striking back and mids whining to hell and back
Nice poem thr btw

 

[Clipse]

Debuff mage groups are so FotM now, before the patch practically only my guild ran them.

er ???

 

[Gillian]

sorc lifedrain

lol wtf, our mezz is nerfed to the bone (44 mind mezz lasts 5 seconds max) we are the first to die in ANY encounter and now someone starts whining that we got a 10% better nuke?

I know that sorc is/was supposed to be the main form of CC in Albion but because of all the nerfs/anti-mezz spells, mezz is no longer CC but a joke...stun is the only cc today...

Gotta agree Wabbit. U cc...det tanks, group purge, single purge etc etc and the enemy is on u. No armour, no instant stuns etc and we are dead 99% of the time 1st in a group and usually before anyone in alb group has killed an enemy. The only exception to this is if you have 2 clerics, so one can afford to heal your ass off while albs take on the det tank train or pbaoe MoC killers.

As others stated we are a cc class, we cc first, we nuke when we get a chance and the lifedrain is nice...but it is a power hog too.

I really dont see it as overpowered at all...casters are meant to hit hard, because an on the ball enemy group will make sure they dont hit hard more than once or twice, and the instant aoe stuns and single stuns rule vs mezz in rvr.

So the question is why isn't the runie hitting harder if he is specced ? Dunno, take it up with your TL.

Rabid 50 Sorc

 

[Spyf]

I can't believe this. It took them 2 years to bring Cabalist and Sorcers on par with all other casters nukes and you want it nerfed after 5ish days already?



good 1 .

What he said :worthy:

 

[Gordonax]

5secs? only when ur in the zerg and some gimp aoe's over ur mezz.

Determination. If you're facing a tank group, top mezz lasts a handful of seconds.

Group purge. Facing a Hib caster group, you don't even get that.

 

[Belomar]

er ???

The official DAoC description of a Mage: "The Mage weaves magical spells to cast them at his enemies, and specializes in the destruction of matter. His intelligence is his most important statistic. Mages can become Cabalists and Sorcerors."

So, to clarify, when I say "mage debuff group", I mean a debuff group based on Sorcerers and Cabalists. Not Elementalists, like your group.

 

[Aussie]

well he used sst and grym to debuff for him :<
but thats personal debuffing.
debuff groups = all nukers same dmg type

 

[Javai]

We've been running Cabby/Sorc based groups for about 6 weeks or so (since I finally managed to get my other half to ding his Spirit Cabby 50). One thing I recommend highly is a necro in group. Constant power supply (but the Sorc needs to remember to demezz the necro pet) is very nice especially in combo with the new power hungry nuke.

 

[Phixion]

Phixion you dumped your sorc for the fotm realm, stop whining

if they were so good you would have stayed...

:wub:

class A n00b, being as everyone decided to bring healers up for some unknown reason, I thought id point out sorcerers "good" points.


PS: Don't be too bitter, ive only pwned u everytime ive met you in HW, even with your bolt ranged mezz. Learn to play!

28spec dd caps @ 399 and 35 @ 499
cap for old base was 422 for new is 522

so what you saying is that a sorc hit your < OMFGWTFPWNINGROXXORBOXXOR > capped ressists for 30 damage below cap.. MMMMMMMMMMMMKAY

im sure you got debuffed but you dont really know what that is now do you?

Aye whatever you say matey, I was only 1st Inconnu Sorcerer to 50 on excal, only played in FC GG for a few months, I know nothing like you say.

PS: i had 2 lvl 50 cabs too, i know what debuff is.

Power regen 4 actually.

And LOL at this thread since the creator (Phixion) left his lvl 50 sorcerer to make a savage instead. This cant be serious can it? must be just a pisstake.

I'm afraid you got that a bit wrong I left my 50 Cab/Sorc/Scout to play a Spiritmaster, and hadn't played my Sorcerer for a good while before I left, played my scout to RR5. And no, my 44mind 31 body spec Sorc did not hit for that stupid damage. But you wouldn't know this being as you joined FC and never played...

lol wtf, our mezz is nerfed to the bone (44 mind mezz lasts 5 seconds max) we are the first to die in ANY encounter and now someone starts whining that we got a 10% better nuke?

It's called determination! Every realm suffers from tanks with det not just you.

I know that sorc is/was supposed to be the main form of CC in Albion but because of all the nerfs/anti-mezz spells, mezz is no longer CC but a joke...stun is the only cc today...


If everyone would stop the flames they would see what I am trying to say. Not even a dark SPECCED SM hits for that much - that's where its surely wrong, or no? Excuse me if I am wrong here but I always thought non lifetap nukes were meant to hit for more, being as lifetap steals back health? I also thought spec nukes were meant to hit harder than base nukes.

 

[Belomar]

I also thought spec nukes were meant to hit harder than base nukes.

Debuff for them, and they do. It's a matter of comparing delve values, that's not too hard. If Shafu says he hits for 350 damage, then that's against grouped people with resistance buffs, whereas your example is against solo targets with the base 26% resistance. The fact that Cabalists can self-debuff is nothing new, Enchanters have been doing that since the day the resistance debuffs were introduced.

 

[Phixion]

Debuff for them, and they do. It's a matter of comparing delve values, that's not too hard. If Shafu says he hits for 350 damage, then that's against grouped people with resistance buffs, whereas your example is against solo targets with the base 26% resistance. The fact that Cabalists can self-debuff is nothing new, Enchanters have been doing that since the day the resistance debuffs were introduced.

Ill say again, this was in HW in small groups, there was no cab, just a sorc and a minstrel, and Shafu solo's alot, everyone knows that.

 

[Belomar]

debuff groups = all nukers same dmg type

Speaking of which, I can see that the theurg in your debuff group can be useful for pet-spam, but having 2 Spirit Cabalist MAs is very nice. Fault-tolerant and highly efficient.

 

[Pin]

If everyone would stop the flames they would see what I am trying to say. Not even a dark SPECCED SM hits for that much - that's where its surely wrong, or no?

a dark SPECCED SM hits for more than a 40body sorc if they are given the same items, ras, buffs. end of story.

Excuse me if I am wrong here but I always thought non lifetap nukes were meant to hit for more, being as lifetap steals back health? I also thought spec nukes were meant to hit harder than base nukes

That's how it has been until now. It's been argued about for 2 years as to whether this is the way it should be, or how much difference there should be.

 

[Phixion]

Well if thats the case swap the base nuke to a spec and the spec to base, I don't know any other class that hits harder with base nuke than spec (without debuffs)