So... about sorc's... Am i missing something here?

[Phixion]

I've always had a slightly higher cap on base lieftaps than spec ones (even before patch) on a 44 mind 31 body spec but the base life taps are hugely costly in terms of power.

Not 100% sure this is how it works but its consistent with the patch notes and your experience:

My cap on new lifetap is 554 (lets assume Sorc you met had similar cap). WIth 26% you take a 26% reduction in damage....which calculates to around the 410 mark.

So I guess your initial question remains is that too much. Given that Sorcs in group rvr are going to have a whole lot more on their minds than nuking AND they are realms primary cc class with low hits and paper armour I think it gives them the (slight) possibility of being able to keep themselves alive for a few seconds longer. On Cabalist it brings them in line with other classes, yes its base-line but then Cabalists have to spec for things other realms get in base-line (aoe disease for example).

But still, Dark Specced SM nukes for around 350, whereas there are sorc's nuking me for over the 400 mark with base nukes. Something wrong there in my opinon. Add that to the 2.5 second cast time, and then ask yourself why make a fire Wizard? (not like you haven't asked yourself that before )

Would be interested to see some tests done to see how much sorc's are hitting for overall.

 

[Gordonax]

But still, Dark Specced SM nukes for around 350, whereas there are sorc's nuking me for over the 400 mark with base nukes. Something wrong there in my opinon.

Phix mate, tell us who it was so we can find out his spec!

(And then every other sorc will respec to it )

 

[Phixion]

I'm not name dropping, it is an overall thing, noticed it more than on 1 occasion. he is 40 body 36 mind i think. Yellow AE Mezz

 

[Puppet]

Only thing I dont think is fair is that a Sorc/Caba now has a lifetap with same DELVE as the other casters.

I mean; a lifetap should be abit lower delve right ?

Level 50 spell is well deserved; the DD179 seems abit too high for me. It also costs the same mana (33 power).

Dunno the reason but I dont understand why they get the same nuke same powercosts but with a lifetap component. Its also fast cast-time.

Ah well

 

[Chosen]

I can't believe this. It took them 2 years to bring Cabalist and Sorcers on par with all other casters nukes and you want it nerfed after 5ish days already?



good 1 .

then give runemasters ae mess!

 

[Javai]

then give runemasters ae mess!

Please do and at the same time remove it from healers along with their instant cc.....back to fishes and bicycles here

 

[Wildfire]

my spec = 44 mind 31 body

Personally tend to use the specline nuke as it uses a fraction of the lifetap's power, hit for about 250 against SC'd players, lifetap hits for about 350. You will definitely have been hit by a body sorc (46+ body spec plus bonuses, in all likelihood) who can nuke just fine, always have been able to.

 

[Phixion]

he had yellow ae mezz, so he had at least 36 mind, probably 40 body.

 

[Bonegoat]

You sure it wasnt Gritzy? Seen him in hw a bunch of times and i know you hunt there. He only got blue aoemezz so im guessing he got a high body specc

 

[Pin]

my spec = 44 mind 31 body

Personally tend to use the specline nuke as it uses a fraction of the lifetap's power, hit for about 250 against SC'd players, lifetap hits for about 350. You will definitely have been hit by a body sorc (46+ body spec plus bonuses, in all likelihood) who can nuke just fine, always have been able to.

You use the level 28 spec DD?
Sure it's 50% the powercost of the lifetap, but it's 25% less damage, 10% longer casttime, 10% higher resist rate....

 

[English]

47body26mind here

my cap is 666 and usually cap that with caba debuffs, although since patch i aint Depending on resists it varies from 250-500 with my spec dd nuke, although i aint tested my base nuke but can steel around 400 hps back ( if galoecjunior debuffs )

Enemy be warned

 

[Krane]

I am 49 body, and yes my base lifetap nukes hit for 300-350+crit
and my spec nukes for 350-400+crit...

with debuffs thats 450+crit with lifetap
and 600+crit with spec nuke

yes stt and me 4 shot a savage
yes u got wtfpwned

ph33r sorcs

 

[Z^^]

http://home.aland.net/ma20013-p1/sshot414.jpg
btw herbal is a liar and a cheat!!!!!11111

 

[Fedaykin]

QQ more

Sorcs got some nice loving

Still its pretty useless when you die first most fights. But as my little bro mentioned i hit for 666 with my spec dd which uses less power than my lifetap and does more damage so i very rarely even use it...

And on that note this tap uses mega power... can only manage a few taps a fight.

Sorcs should have the right to do some nice damage afetr all they are a 1.0 spec caster, and they deserve a trade off with there counterparts in other realms - healers get chain and healing and good ra's, bards get erm.. lots of utility, and sorcs get mezz and a little dmg lets all stop QQ'ing

 

[Afternoon Tea]

GoL have been running a 1fg Debuff group. this group does CONSIDERABLY well with 4 ppl in the grp being only rr4 and we've been owning high rr hib & mid groups with few casualties. After the target and debuff 2-3 nukes and whatever is there is DEAD, instantly. Alb should run these groups alot more often imo, so all in all sorc r0x

 

[Chilly]

it was ME!!!

well, maybe. i run around HW all the time, might have been adrianicus as well, hes R6 so got some nifty tricks i havnt at r4l3.
In my own opinion i think the new LT was deserved, i can moc and generally lifetap down anyone who doesnt stun me, before if i tried to pull that one i generally got whooped, iv actually done it on assist trians and mixed with some half decnt healing and my moc iv survived to leg it after killing one of the slags on me.

I used to use my spec DD from 40body cos it did about 20-40 more dmg than lifetap and used much less mana, now i rarely use it cos it causes less dmg, isnt a lifetap, hasa longer cast time and has a lower to-hit. Im thinking about ditching 40b, but decreaseing my body spec would reduce my baseline damage, if i understant things properly.

and i do deffo agree with afternoon, sorcs whoop ass

vive la mezzists!

 

[Tahn]

OMG NERF SORCS !!!!!1 :kissit:

 

[Belomar]

Debuff mage groups are so FotM now, before the patch practically only my guild ran them.

 

[sweetleaf]

Mythic on weed again.

Take for example spec mind 44 body 31


Single line mezz 80 secs
amnesia aoe
mezz aoe 72 seconds ( with silly range)
Remove mezz
yellow con pet
-66 str/con debuff aoe
pow regen 5
buff -40% mezzz reduction
group -10% mezz reduction
-46 dex/qui debuff
aoe root 49 second ( second form of aoe cc)
single root 73 second
debuff -15% heat cold matter
life drain 180 with life tap, v.s ppl with 30 ish body resist = 300 damage :eek2:



Not an expert on it mine only level 36.

I sort of guess why ppl rolling them.

 

[Phixion]

Not to mention sorc's get quickcast and bolt ranged mezz, oh and the mezz reduction shield, and the group mezz reduction shield, oh and pom, oh and amnesia... how much utility?

 

[Z^^]

Not to mention sorc's get quickcast and bolt ranged mezz, oh and the mezz reduction shield, and the group mezz reduction shield, oh and pom, oh and amnesia... how much utility?

rofl, are you for real?!?

 

[Rulke]

Z^^ is really getting into roleplaying an alb

 

[Antedeluvian]

Not to mention sorc's get quickcast and bolt ranged mezz, oh and the mezz reduction shield, and the group mezz reduction shield, oh and pom, oh and amnesia... how much utility?

And instants, and chain, and high cons races available, and heals, and 3! classes of CC 2 of them aoe, and seer hit points table..... ooops seems i missed the class, were we talking about overpowered healers or about in-line sorcerers?

 

[Tahn]

now giv a intercepting pet and pbae lifetap pls :wub:

 

[swords]

Well they get all that so they can feel happy when they are eating grass 99% of the time

 

[sorcerer_spliff]

Also, even if the new baseline spell does a little more dmg it does cost a lot more mana. So it evens out in the long run.

 

[Aussie]

Not to mention sorc's get quickcast and bolt ranged mezz, oh and the mezz reduction shield, and the group mezz reduction shield, oh and pom, oh and amnesia... how much utility?

yes insane isnt it, and only thing you use during a fight is sprint

 

[Wildfire]

A mind sorc's job isn't to nuke, if i want to interrupt ill use a debuff, otherwise ill be trying to save my mana for the inevitable amnesia spam that's needed to beat all the moc-equipped PBAE whores these days. The baseline lifetap is nice, but it just drains too much power. Maybe once I've got RP I'll start using it, but for now it stays on qb3.

 

[acei]

The only time a sorc would hit for that much with baseline nuke in RvR is if you've been either body debuffed, low body resists or he does a crit hit

 

[Moo]

i'm gonna make a fotm sorc called ChillyOwesMeAFiver