So... about sorc's... Am i missing something here?

Phixion

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Let me sort this out in my head because its somewhat confusing, A base LIFETAP nuke hits me for around 440 damage (with my maxed resists) and my base cold nukes hit for about 300, with no lifetap.

Is it me or is something wrong here? Since they got their new level 50 nuke the damage is to say the least insane.

I agree they should get a level 50 base nuke, but er, lower damage a bit? Lifetap and 440 damage nukes is slightly over the top.
 

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lets hope all the infils role sorcs...
 

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and clerics pets with intercept !


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This is a serious question :p

Just ran out again, and my friend also a SM with maxed resists gets nuked by Sorcerer for 478.
 

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Phixion said:
Let me sort this out in my head because its somewhat confusing, A base LIFETAP nuke hits me for around 440 damage (with my maxed resists) and my base cold nukes hit for about 300, with no lifetap.

Is it me or is something wrong here? Since they got their new level 50 nuke the damage is to say the least insane.

I agree they should get a level 50 base nuke, but er, lower damage a bit? Lifetap and 440 damage nukes is slightly over the top.
So.. you're specced to 22 darkness? or less?

The Sorc was probably specced to 31 or 40 body. So yeah, he does more damage... BECAUSE HE SPECCED FOR IT
 

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Phixion said:
This is a serious question :p

Just ran out again, and my friend also a SM with maxed resists gets nuked by Sorcerer for 478.
either that, or he's a 45+ body-spec and using his spec nuke, not lifetap.
 

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no idea on his spec, but hes nuking for more than a wizard/runie would. Surely theres something wrong? Maybe the damage is too high for the level of the spell, being as they raised it to level 50. Plus my PBAOE hits for 500ish? hes nearing the damage i do with a point blank radius spell with a lifetap!
 

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Phixion said:
no idea on his spec, but hes nuking for more than a wizard/runie would. Surely theres something wrong? Maybe the damage is too high for the level of the spell, being as they raised it to level 50. Plus my PBAOE hits for 500ish? hes nearing the damage i do with a point blank radius spell with a lifetap!
if it is a body sorc they could nook u with their spec dd which = same dmg as a fire wiz etc..

or mabye u have shit body resists :p
 

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lol no, my old char was a sorc, i am 100% sure he was using baseline nuke... was the red cloud effect.
 

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sorc nuke

Ok as so few Sorcs seem to be responding....I am a mind 44 body 31 spec sorc and I get an between 180 and 280 dam with my lifetap in RvR. my bet is you are meeting a Body specced sorc (40+) using his direct damage spell...if a sorc is focussing on nuking he is nalmost certainly Body specced because a mind spoecced one rarely gets off more than a mezz or 2 and a root for those that purge/det/resist before he dies...nuking for a mind spec sorc is a luxury rarely afforded :)
 

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k fair doos

the reason i doubt is because the base for the 50 tap is 179

wheras the base for a 50 spec nuke is 208/209 etc

the only thing i can see is that you must be being debuffed by a cabby or something?
 

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I can't believe this. It took them 2 years to bring Cabalist and Sorcers on par with all other casters nukes and you want it nerfed after 5ish days already?



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Phixion said:
This is a serious question :p

Just ran out again, and my friend also a SM with maxed resists gets nuked by Sorcerer for 478.
OMG !!!!! :eek2:
 

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Gillian said:
Ok as so few Sorcs seem to be responding....I am a mind 44 body 31 spec sorc and I get an between 180 and 280 dam with my lifetap in RvR. my bet is you are meeting a Body specced sorc (40+) using his direct damage spell...
Errr?
I'm 44mind, 31(+16)body. I happily nuke for 300-350 with my lifetap without crit (or 400-450 on people with poor resists).

Gillian said:
if a sorc is focussing on nuking he is nalmost certainly Body specced because a mind spoecced one rarely gets off more than a mezz or 2 and a root for those that purge/det/resist before he dies...nuking for a mind spec sorc is a luxury rarely afforded :)
And as for that, I don't think he's talking about tank-group RvR ;)
 

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No, wasnt a cab there, wasnt debuffed :) I also spoke with Shafu, he told me his SPEC darkness lifetaps hit for around 350, whereas sorc base nukes hit for 440? thats where i think theres a problem.
 

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My Sorc is 44 mind 31 body also. Find Hibs run with better body resists and get ~200 damage (Undebuffed) on Mids body resists generally seem a bit lower and get 250-300. Only time I'm getting anything over 400 is when target has very poor resists or cabby debuffed for me.
 

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FYI aussie, body sorcerers using spec nuke have always nuked hard, but base nukes?
 

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Javai said:
My Sorc is 44 mind 31 body also. Find Hibs run with better body resists and get ~200 damage (Undebuffed) on Mids body resists generally seem a bit lower and get 250-300. Only time I'm getting anything over 400 is when target has very poor resists or cabby debuffed for me.
Wasnt debuffed, have full resists etc.
 

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Aussie said:
I can't believe this. It took them 2 years to bring Cabalist and Sorcers on par with all other casters nukes and you want it nerfed after 5ish days already?



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On par? If i was nuking for 440 damage with base nukes id be "on par", if spec dark nukes hit for 600 damage we would be "on par" this isnt "on par" clearly theres something wrong with the level of the spell, the delve value and the fact its a lifetap.
 

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Phixion said:
Wasnt debuffed, have full resists etc.
So are we talking 440 a hit or a couple of lucky crits? Cos the replies for mind/body Sorcs so far are pretty clear that they aren't doing those damages. By capped resists do you mean capped + buffs or the base 26%?
 

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Phixion said:
On par? If i was nuking for 440 damage with base nukes id be "on par", if spec dark nukes hit for 600 damage we would be "on par" this isnt "on par" clearly theres something wrong with the level of the spell, the delve value and the fact its a lifetap.
Why don't you ask him then, or let us know who it was so someone else can ask him? Because if all other sorcs say they hit for 2-300ish and this one sorc apparently nuke you for what other casters need debuffs to do, chances are either you were indeed debuffed or he had one hell of a crit.
 

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Base 26%, I am solo in HW therefore I don't get the healer resists :) I had a sorc i know how much i used to nuke for with base and specs, and i resorted to using spec nukes even with 31 body because they were slightly better.
 

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SethNaket said:
Why don't you ask him then, or let us know who it was so someone else can ask him? Because if all other sorcs say they hit for 2-300ish and this one sorc apparently nuke you for what other casters need debuffs to do, chances are either you were indeed debuffed or he had one hell of a crit.
3 runs, 3 nukes over 420 damage, chance? :D
 

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OK you're right, i was just bullshitting... this is obviously turning into a flame war like i thought it would. Thought with this being FH and not BW I could post a constructive question. But seems not.
 

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Phixion said:
Let me sort this out in my head because its somewhat confusing, A base LIFETAP nuke hits me for around 440 damage (with my maxed resists) and my base cold nukes hit for about 300, with no lifetap.

Is it me or is something wrong here? Since they got their new level 50 nuke the damage is to say the least insane.

I agree they should get a level 50 base nuke, but er, lower damage a bit? Lifetap and 440 damage nukes is slightly over the top.
Well who was the sorc?
I know our sorc didnt use to get above 300 with his baseline nuke but now he gets 350's occasionally though often slightly less.

My guess is he probably has MOM or some dmg boosting RA;s.
 

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Phixion said:
OK your right, im wrong, this is obviously turning into a flame war like i thought it would. Maybe its just me, but imo they are nuking too hard.
Not flaming. "They" are not nuking too hard, this one sorc you ran in to apparently does. However if you won't tell us who it was, or adress it to him in the first place, how are you ever gonna find out what he did? Cause "sorcerers" don't nuke like that by themselves (as others have already said).
 

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Phixion said:
Base 26%, I am solo in HW therefore I don't get the healer resists :) I had a sorc i know how much i used to nuke for with base and specs, and i resorted to using spec nukes even with 31 body because they were slightly better.

I've always had a slightly higher cap on base lieftaps than spec ones (even before patch) on a 44 mind 31 body spec but the base life taps are hugely costly in terms of power.

Not 100% sure this is how it works but its consistent with the patch notes and your experience:

My cap on new lifetap is 554 (lets assume Sorc you met had similar cap). WIth 26% you take a 26% reduction in damage....which calculates to around the 410 mark.

So I guess your initial question remains is that too much. Given that Sorcs in group rvr are going to have a whole lot more on their minds than nuking AND they are realms primary cc class with low hits and paper armour I think it gives them the (slight) possibility of being able to keep themselves alive for a few seconds longer. On Cabalist it brings them in line with other classes, yes its base-line but then Cabalists have to spec for things other realms get in base-line (aoe disease for example).
 

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