SidiRaids: Falcor vs. Aligro

[Falcor]

Just a couple of things to say

1) I objected to aligro for MUCH more than his preclaiming...

2) Aligro killed apoc 0 times, ive killed him 4 times.

3) Ive always left the choice upto ppl until i recently removed it cuz ppl didnt like it, i gave ppl the CHOICE do apoc weapons go to rr5 or not, and the CHOICE wether or not i keep a sword which may not even exhist, ppl didnt like this cuz it wasnt a defintiive rule, so i changed it to be definitive, i cant win either way it seems

 

[Falcor]

btw if anyone is wondering why this thread is here, i banned skile from lotto in sidi today? coincidence...i dont think so

 

[old.LandShark]

Originally posted by Sissyfoo
Oookay. Someone needs to take their chill pill.

I just don't think its fair that they shouldn't be allowed to enter the lotto for a weapon because they aren't RR5 and can't make use of the extra 0.3 dps. I never said they were 'normal and un-geeklike'.

Personally, I don't care about getting uber sidi weapons and the only time I will go on a raid is to get my mitts on a respec stone if I ever find myself needing one. Just expressing my opinion...if that is okay with you, Landshark?

Opinions are what morons express when they're wrong!!1!rabid!!2*



*joking

Sorry if I came across a little strong. Uh, basically, it's not JUST the extra 0.3 dps. The weapons have the unique model, often exceptional procs and superior-to-MP-OC'd-SC stats, as well as desirable swing delays that can enhance a character's strength in RvR.
While I would not classify myself as a person deserving an apoc weapon, by my own rules, it'd certainly pain me to see some epic-armoured RR3 paladin wielding the Bane of Life for a week before logging his necro to powerlevel and infiltrator. I'd far rather see Gunnerr (to take a person fitting the item i already mentioned ) swinging it.

As for the original thread - well, maybe I'm just cynical, but surely this is needless flamebait. I'm out of the loop; quite frankly I don't actually care. I have nothing to add to any Falcor vs Aligro 'debate', but I think I've now made clear my view on the RR5-only lottoing.

edit:

Originally posted by Falcor
btw if anyone is wondering why this thread is here, i banned skile from lotto in sidi today? coincidence...i dont think so

Actually, my first thought when I noticed skiled had started this thread was "hah, typical. Bet he lost a lotto or something". :doh:

 

[bob007]

I don't realy go to either...
So Pin

But if you judge sidi raids by the killing of Apoc, Then it would have to go to Falcor. I believe he has a little bit of a head start on Apoc deaths (probebly more bugs then most raids as well, poor fecker ) and i hear his raids are faster and smoother.

When ever a hunt starts, And am talking the very min you meet up at say... Gwynm You always get the first request. "How long will this take.", From here on the clock of boredom is running, So falcor's raid have to be far better then that other bloke who's not Pin

BTW to Falcor. Peeps NEED to know rules before they attend. Some will whine ( Here's a cheese link for them. ) Some won't care either way, And the last parts will fight for the rule, But making the rule a rule and not a mystery event, Like maybe it will happen or it might not, Give them the chance to go or not.

Long standing rule, Don't Like The Rules, Don't Go The Hunt.

GL with future raids Falcor and to show am not biased. If Alligro starts doing raid again, I won't go to his either

 

[froler-mid]

who cares? i say both raids are good. the more raids the more itamz.

dont really bothered with claiming either. or rr5 for apoc thing.

 

[DeaD GuRu]

claiming

won't say much


claiming for organising....


main conclusion:::
that person does not organise for the pleasure of it, but for his own personal benefit and blind other attendies with rest of loot.

i have been on raid, 160 ppl join 80 are afk....
80 less ppl on raid would cause a lot less lagg and better fun...

RR5 claiming... now this is REAL SHIT and SELFISH..
obliging ppl to rvr for an pve event..

conclusion of this argument:

pointless.. if you join a raid where a person claims ans states this type of rules... shuvv it..

the fun of raid...... NON... LAGG... ANNOYING PPL... RACIST PPL....AFK PPL... LEECHING PPL...

not for me...

BTW

WTB: ALL pieces od the wizards armour and i'm willing to offer following stuff..

loads of cash...
loads of Oil raggs
loads of drops....
loads of what you want

 

[old.LandShark]

Re: claiming

Originally posted by DeaD GuRu
RR5 claiming... now this is REAL SHIT and SELFISH..
obliging ppl to rvr for an pve event..

conclusion of this argument:

pointless.. if you join a raid where a person claims ans states this type of rules... shuvv it..

the fun of raid...... NON... LAGG... ANNOYING PPL... RACIST PPL....AFK PPL... LEECHING PPL...

Can you make even a vague effort to be a little more fucking coherent?
Allowing Apocalypse-only drops to be lottoed for only by RR5+ people, is not obliging anyone at all to 'rvr for a pve event'. If you want to come, you can, that's the definition of an open-to-all raid. The conditions for participation in the lotto are clearly set out well in advance and are not changed without open discussion first; RR5-only lottos for the most rare, exclusive and powerful items are hardly forcing your average RR2 necro to RvR intensively for weeks just to partake in this PvE even, are they?

Erm, I'd love to respond to the rest of any points you may possibly have made, but seriously, I can't understand what in god's name you're talking about. Racism?! How is that even relevant? Annoying people? Ditto. Being afk and leeching (same thing, surely?) are hardly more evident in one leader's raids than the other's.

Also, regardless of whether or not they claim an item, it's some serious bullshit to say they only organise raids for their own benefit. Falcor has not stopped organising raids even after aquiring (fairly, I hasten to add) various armsman sidi armour pieces. Aligro did not stop once he got whatever the hell it was he was claiming - I can't recall the item off the top of my head. Given they're the only two people leading regular open-to-all Sidi raids at the moment, and your statement is untrue of both of them, I'd frankly say you're full of crap.

 

[--Eraser--]

Originally posted by Falcor
1) I objected to aligro for MUCH more than his preclaiming...

mmh i dont wanna involve myself about this RR5 preclaiming anymore, but falcor:
you shouldnt argue like this anymore please. you told the community over and over again, that there was much more "behind the scenes" and lots of reasons why you flamed aligro so bad in the old days of his raids.
but you never gave a statement what this was about. so stop making some diffuse indications on this please.

and this is also the only thing i really think wasnt very nice. i dont care about you preclaming or not, infact i dont care as well about the RR5 policy. i still only have pity on aligro, because i think you really made him a hard life at that time and imo you dont act too different.

 

[sigh]

How hard is it to get rr5 anyways, or do you think I know i'll level my char to 50, i wont bother finding out about the other half of the game, fighting other people, ill just carry on fighting mobs, cause they are so much fun xDD jeez how hard is it to get 513k, casters..undertsandable =P but then they dont need weapons full active dp.s. I been playing this game for far to long, and im starting to get old and bitter <geek irl> about the fact that i see people who have been running around with their new chars weilding omfg pwnd swords<they could even be brought, i dout a rvr5+ would sell wep so easily>...well you may say tough shit. but then i agree with falcor and say tough shit to -rr5.
/whine off

p.s i was rr5 before i was in BF, and i do pve.

 

[DeaD GuRu]

Re: Re: claiming

Originally posted by old.LandShark
Can you make even a vague effort to be a little more fucking coherent?
Allowing Apocalypse-only drops to be lottoed for only by RR5+ people, is not obliging anyone at all to 'rvr for a pve event'. If you want to come, you can, that's the definition of an open-to-all raid. The conditions for participation in the lotto are clearly set out well in advance and are not changed without open discussion first; RR5-only lottos for the most rare, exclusive and powerful items are hardly forcing your average RR2 necro to RvR intensively for weeks just to partake in this PvE even, are they?

are you RR5?
some ppl are not and i think ..if i would have a fighter or whatever needed..; i would want THAT item even if i just hit 50

Originally posted by old.LandShark

Erm, I'd love to respond to the rest of any points you may possibly have made, but seriously, I can't understand what in god's name you're talking about. Racism?! How is that even relevant? Annoying people? Ditto. Being afk and leeching (same thing, surely?) are hardly more evident in one leader's raids than the other's.

?

the raid i joined: racial remarks VS spanish and non english ppl that made mistakes or did not understand why the progress wass stalling. ( i hope i spelled ir wright: to slow down)

Originally posted by old.LandShark


Also, regardless of whether or not they claim an item, it's some serious bullshit to say they only organise raids for their own benefit. Falcor has not stopped organising raids even after aquiring (fairly, I hasten to add) various armsman sidi armour pieces. Aligro did not stop once he got whatever the hell it was he was claiming - I can't recall the item off the top of my head. Given they're the only two people leading regular open-to-all Sidi raids at the moment, and your statement is untrue of both of them, I'd frankly say you're full of crap.

i understand you defending him... are you a member of his guild landshark? No personal offence meant.

 

[Falcor]

yep i have eraser but ppl still keep bringing it up, and i havent said my reason why in depth cuz tbh i for one dont want to drag it up again, and also i cant becasue its ebtraying some1s trust

 

[Falcor]

Originally posted by sigh
but then i agree with falcor and say tough shit to -rr5.
/whine off

p.s i was rr5 before i was in BF, and i do pve.

I dont say tought shit to ppl below rr5 or esle all drops would be rr5+ tbh this is getting boring, its ONE weapon off apoc (IF he dies IF he dont bug IF he drops a weapon) per raid i dont think there is the need for all this over this tbh, a lot of ppl want me to make it a lot harder on low rr ppl, i havent, this is imo a fair COMPROMISE remember this is waht we havto do...

 

[Coim-]

Tbh, I agree with Eraser. I'm not too bothered about the RR5 thing...I just think that it was harsh when everyone flamed Aligro for claiming a drop, when, as Eraser said, Falcor doesn't act so different. I probably don't know all the facts but it wasn't very nice. Anyways keep doing the raids...

 

[DeaD GuRu]

i'm withdrawing from discussion...

as i read some more posts...

this is a personal fight between two ppl.
two parties fighting in one realm, competition , aarf.
both claim...not fair...


still willing to buy those wizard parts

 

[Cinnabar]

Falcor vs. Aligro well I think they both do a great job caus they put time and effort in to take us to a Care Sidi raid.

If u dont´t like there rules stay away and make you own raide/rules

My choice is a guilde/alliance raid caus it higere the change for a drop in the lotto.

 

[old.LandShark]

Re: Re: Re: claiming

Originally posted by DeaD GuRu
are you RR5?
some ppl are not and i think ..if i would have a fighter or whatever needed..; i would want THAT item even if i just hit 50



the raid i joined: racial remarks VS spanish and non english ppl that made mistakes or did not understand why the progress wass stalling. ( i hope i spelled ir wright: to slow down)



i understand you defending him... are you a member of his guild landshark? No personal offence meant.

Whether I am RR5 or not is irrelevant. I do not want any Sidi drops, I do not own any sidi drops, I barely play the game anymore anyway.
And, yes, we know that under-RR5 people *WANT* uberdrops, this is not what that's about. Irrelevant statement. The argument is do they deserve to be included in the lottos, not do they bloody WANT to be.

Racial remarks made? By whom, the raid leaders? If not, irrelevant, kindly stow it.

I'm defending someone? As far as I can see the statement you quoted was defending both Falcor and Aligro. I'm not in either of their guilds and I personally am enamoured of neither of them. I'm not partisan here pal, the way I see it I'm just making my case for something I agree with.

 

[skile]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
I see. Oh, they're so normal and un-geeklike and don't care about being uber and pwning in emain!

Then fuck off clamouring after uberweapons, you fucking whinging twats.

Like you need to be in emain 24/7 with your 3r33+z0r RvR guild to have a measly fucking 512k RPs.

It's easy to talk the talk if you are rr5+, which you are.

 

[skile]

Originally posted by Falcor
Just a couple of things to say

1) I objected to aligro for MUCH more than his preclaiming...

2) Aligro killed apoc 0 times, ive killed him 4 times.

3) Ive always left the choice upto ppl until i recently removed it cuz ppl didnt like it, i gave ppl the CHOICE do apoc weapons go to rr5 or not, and the CHOICE wether or not i keep a sword which may not even exhist, ppl didnt like this cuz it wasnt a defintiive rule, so i changed it to be definitive, i cant win either way it seems

Whom are you answering too? I complained about Aligro to, most of us did. Are u so egoistic you actually think this thread is aimed towards you. This thread is for the population of albion, to get the debate open.

There is no need for discussion about history.

The simple questions is:

Do you want a leader which claims and has rules benefiting rr5+ people only? Or do you want a leader which doesn't claim and doesn't have rules that benefit rr5+.

It's the alb-populations decision.

Note: I would like Aligro to say wheter he is interested to arrange raids or not.

 

[skile]

For the note Falcor, how many times have u killed apoc since the rr5+ rule?

 

[skile]

You are talking about a choice?

Did you have a poll wheter it should be rr5+ or not? Show me the poll and the results. Do the same thing with claiming issue. Random talk on /cg doensn't count falcor.

 

[Exinferis]

Originally posted by skile
It's easy to talk the talk if you are rr5+, which you are.

Info about skile Fullname: Skile Socialist Race: Saracen Class: Scout Level: 50 Totalrp: 771011(RR5L5) Guild: Dragon Knights Realm: Albion

whats your point?

you managed to get rr5, so i reckon the rest of albions population will manage it

 

[Falcor]

i planned to vote on it yes, but ppl didnt want it this way

simple fact skile u r bitter, i banned u from lotto TODAY u post this TODAY looks simple to me, especially the way u jump down my throat

what ever u choose to think, apart from the sword rule, i set rules according to what ppl ASK for...

I never talked to u before today Skile, tbh in a matter of hours u have managed to convince me u are a bitter interfering ass hole, there r not many ppl i dont get on with, and theres not many who REALLY piss me off but u r one, now kindly shove ya atitude where the sun dont shine...if u wanna know why i banned skile read the end of the thread from last raid....

 

[-ag-bometal]

Aligro and Falcor did a wonderfull job organising these fine raids... Although there are some rules i dont like (Preclaiming and RR5 thingie) i can't really complain about them.

But if i would get the chance, i wouldn't mind doing one myself...

Controlling the alb zerg can be "challenging" at least

 

[DeaD GuRu]

Re: Re: Re: Re: claiming

Originally posted by old.LandShark
The argument is do they deserve to be included in the lottos, not do they bloody WANT to be.

do you think i deserve this type of drops?

just a question... don't wanne put you on your horse..

(litteral translation from my mother tongue )

 

[vindicat0r]

Alot of whining and bs'ing going on here, Glad I cant make it to Sidi raid's most of the time .

Pre-claiming would be ok if it was done on 1 raid, the first 1. They have put the effort into the raid and leading it etc so its deserved but if the leader of the raid decides to do a weekly raid then thats ther choice and after the first time it's routine job. Go in follow your map while telling others wher to go and done and dusted. If it was for just 1 item, perhaps a sword e.g and it dropped on a later raid then I think it would be fine to give it to the raid leader as a thank you but after that no more pre-claim's, simple.

As for this RR5+ rule, its bs. If ppl dont want to go and get RR5 with ther charc who are u to punish them ? Why should they have to go and farm rps just so they can get a drop from a mob. I mean its silly when you think about it. If i had a sword

16.5 dps < example weapon >
5s spd
+5 slash
+5 parry
+ 22 str
+ 9% crush resist

and it dropped. 2 players step forward, 1 is RR5l3 and the other is RR4l7. The RR5- is told, sorry u dont farm as much rps as the other guy so he gets it. thats not exactly fair and lets look at what the RR5 guy gets as a bonus for using this ubar weapon.

RR5 gets :

Gets Full Dps from sword. so thats .3 more than a non-RR5 at 16.2 ............... and thats it.

The RR4 gets:

16.2 dps < equivalent of a MP weapon for a RR5->
5s spd
+5 slash
+5 parry
+22 str
+ 9 % crush resist


Hmmmmm surely the RR5 guy must get something more from this weapon. oh I know, he looks cooler holding it ........ its a better swing time than his old weapon, errrrr...... it has proc on it that can easily be match'd by SC or at least very useful. No nothing ther I can see.


A question u must ask ur self as a raid leader is .......... how many ppl on my raid are RR5+ and how many are not ? The below RR5's would be in the lead I think.

Want a RR5+ only get apoc weapons then let only the RR5+ kill him.

To be honest, the best raids nowaday's are done on a guild basis's. Anybody can lead a raid to sidi, even a savage I am sure ^^ but it can be stressful job and lotto's are the biggest pain in the whole, just make them guild and let guilds share loot as they want.

My Two Cent's.

 

[skile]

Originally posted by Falcor
i planned to vote on it yes, but ppl didnt want it this way

simple fact skile u r bitter, i banned u from lotto TODAY u post this TODAY looks simple to me, especially the way u jump down my throat

what ever u choose to think, apart from the sword rule, i set rules according to what ppl ASK for...

I never talked to u before today Skile, tbh in a matter of hours u have managed to convince me u are a bitter interfering ass hole, there r not many ppl i dont get on with, and theres not many who REALLY piss me off but u r one, now kindly shove ya atitude where the sun dont shine...if u wanna know why i banned skile read the end of the thread from last raid....

Heh, thanks for the insults . Lets not talk about me. This is about albion. Motiviation for changing things often comes from things, you are right.

Back to the discussion tho, leave me out of it .

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Falcor
Just a couple of things to say
3) Ive always left the choice upto ppl until i recently removed it cuz ppl didnt like it, i gave ppl the CHOICE do apoc weapons go to rr5 or not, and the CHOICE wether or not i keep a sword which may not even exhist, ppl didnt like this cuz it wasnt a defintiive rule, so i changed it to be definitive, i cant win either way it seems

Translation: "At raids, I asked people if they thought RR5-only lottoing was fair. They said no, and everyone should have a chance. I disagree, so sod what people want."

 

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by Galiryn
who said i didnt aprove of the lvl 50 min for lotto rule ?

Then don't support Alligro cause his raids were worse than falcor under all points of view.

I still think guild raids are the best option to sort drops more fair.
SS and HB prouved those raids are possible and the results are far better than any random raid.

 

[gwal]

falcor has done more raids for more ppl than u´d ever imagine, if u dont like the rules dont fooking go, nothing more to it.

and what u mean this isnt about u, but about albion, its ALL about u, about u being pissed off at something. have heard so many ppl being utterly annoyed from watching all sorts of ppl wearing uber wpn´s from sidi, but never using them, casue they show up on rvr once a month. the utilisation of the wpn´s are what ppl are talking about (ie, a wpn is put to better use on an active rvr player than a non active, ie the rr5+ thing).

so if u start talking about the realm, wtf u forgetting the fact that falcor is doing what the majority of ppl want, he even asked if it would be fair for him ot claim that wpn, and ppl said yes. I see nothing on his raids that the majority of ppl have not requested.

get a clue before u post shit skile, especially when it affects good ppl like falcor.

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

I can't understand why people make such a big deal out of the one weapon going to an rr5+. It is slightly more elite than the weapons/items being lotto'd to only lvl 50's. If we can agree only lvl 50's should get those items, then why not give the best, most uber weapons only to rr5+, using the same logic?

And Skile, sounds like you are a very sad git tbh. Managing to get kicked out of a Falcor raid is something of a first ever. He did not even kick retarded Spanish people who don't speak English and never follow orders...

On a side not, shame those losers can't read these boards. But if some loser cannot even speak English, don't come on the raid. Just slows down the process. Has nothing to do with racism when people get upset about some retard not being able to speak English or follow orders.

And the reasons why Apoc were not killed since the rr5 rule can all be explained (bugs, and a sidi raid with 60 people, cause it being on a weekday).
Regards, Glottis