Scouts,are they staying as they are?

[Konah]

they can stand anywhere and fire without fear of getting shot back

and rangers get duel weild, hunters get doggy, welcome to Mythic BalanceTM

 

[Konah]

im dead.

u didnt buy purge.

 

[evial bloodstone]

dex3 mos4 ts2 and i got 1 point left. Used to have purge but i found it not that hot, as in keep fights its all range usualy.

 

[StonyPony]

as in keep fights its all range usualy.

you spec for keepfights don't whine if you get shot . you got big stones to hide behind.

Grrrrrrrrr clueless

 

[evial bloodstone]

you spec for keepfights don't whine if you get shot . you got big stones to hide behind.

Grrrrrrrrr clueless

so scout gets shield and big stones to hid bhind, and i get only big stones. And im not whining cous i get shot, thats ok, but when i shot back and get blocked 90% of the times i whine about.

 

[Balthus]

instead of trying to kill the scout with ur shitty bow, sneak up and wtfpwn him with your 200dmg doggy and 500dmg spear... just a thought.

You really have no clue do you :touch:

HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BLOODY DO THAT IN A KEEP SIEGE WHEN U DEFENDING AND THERES LIKE 150 ALBS AROUND THE SCOUT?Am i just supposed to pop out and say "Exscuse me dear chaps,would you mind ever so much not killing me while i sneak up behind this jolly fellow and try and kill him with my spear and wolf as the evil little blighter keeps jolly well blocking all my arrows"

Or while the scouts stood up on a wall do i knock on the gate and ask to be let in pretending to be the postman with a recorded delivery that mr scout must sign for so that they let me up to him?

We are in a a new age of "KEEP" warfare,thats the big things made out of stones that we all fighting for incase you missed the point

Instead of getting a kill when defending hunters/rangers are firing back at scouts and getting blocked every shot then blasted by every other alb with range ability,whereas the scout goes,crit,normal,normal dead hunter/ranger.


i used to be 45bow/32bc/35stealth/39spear for the melee and yes i used to be able to hunt down and kill scouts if i caught them out in the open solo but its so rare now that fights are out in the open an you end up spending most your time helping take or defend a keep.

 

[Kinad]

You really have no clue do you :touch:

HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BLOODY DO THAT IN A KEEP SIEGE WHEN U DEFENDING AND THERES LIKE 150 ALBS AROUND THE SCOUT?Am i just supposed to pop out and say "Exscuse me dear chaps,would you mind ever so much not killing me while i sneak up behind this jolly fellow and try and kill him with my spear and wolf as the evil little blighter keeps jolly well blocking all my arrows"

Or while the scouts stood up on a wall do i knock on the gate and ask to be let in pretending to be the postman with a recorded delivery that mr scout must sign for so that they let me up to him?

We are in a a new age of "KEEP" warfare,thats the big things made out of stones that we all fighting for incase you missed the point

Instead of getting a kill when defending hunters/rangers are firing back at scouts and getting blocked every shot then blasted by every other alb with range ability,whereas the scout goes,crit,normal,normal dead hunter/ranger.


i used to be 45bow/32bc/35stealth/39spear for the melee and yes i used to be able to hunt down and kill scouts if i caught them out in the open solo but its so rare now that fights are out in the open an you end up spending most your time helping take or defend a keep.

So you enjoyed the benefits of the hunter, and now you want us nerfed so you can kill us easy like before ?

 

[Jaem-]

1 word -> Engage

blocks every arrow you shoot

4 rangers shoot me this morning and I like dead! <sniffles>

Use numbers if you can't take on someone, take a leason from the zergers, they do well.

 

[Clan Fist]

Heh noone has mentioned how a block doesnt count as being in combat and if you just get lucky (ok not that lucky) and block 3 normal shots you can just stealth sorry new scout here just summin i noticed

GL and HF

DistantShadow

gee wonder must be an alb thing

just albs now geting a new combat medic type class in catacombs

heretic also gone stand up keep walls or down below and go block block block while healing alb friends

what i been wondering is why SO many alb classes need to have shield spec and only 3 classes in hib have it? ( pala arms merc reav scout here )

and with new RA's hibs that can use shield cant even get master of block any more couse thats only for clases that can spec shield :/

so mean dead druid dead warden trying to heal hibs around tower keep fight

its fubar smt is wrong here need fixing

sheild owns NF since so many noob scouts about i have found great fun standing out side towers keep with my hero shield spec blocking all noob scout arrows while firing some crap peice of seige at gathering albs

only thing that kills me fast is mages (gues i must get erinie's hauberk and abuse that and be invinceble) just aint my thing to use well known buged stuf or any bugged stuf any way and only buffed if im with people that have bb or playing druid

just wonders why alb mages get most power full ra's and that alb now need archer proff healer?

i say nerf wiz rr5 its ridiculous no hib mages class have any even NEAR it

(sick of alb wiz sui type bombers in tower defence as if 3 times the number of albs aint enough they also need to use 3-5 rr5 that goes 15 sec doing 400+dmg ?? to kill defenders?

4 rangers shoot me this morning and I like dead! <sniffles>

Use numbers if you can't take on someone, take a leason from the zergers, they do well.

zerg what zerg and zerg sucks big time so boring

but seems like any alb need zergin to win even with op ra's or specs

or they just seem to solo the same way allways

i learned when i spot 1 alb stealther oh well just gone pass until they attack couse hiting him will make the 3-6 other nearby come zergin to help him out

 

[angrysquirrel]

if scouts only get small shield and a small shield can only block one attacker, how come if they are in melee and i shoot them , i get blocked? hmmzz?!

stealth is a defensive tool, leave at that and rework the styles with scout shield (or give rangers and hunters a slam type melee style to even it up so no one actually loses..or let rangers/hunters parry arrows and give pbaoe and mez), slam, fz, crit crit crit crit crit with extra long range longbows is just a tad silly.

my tuppence.

 

[Deerstalker]

dex3 mos4 ts2 and i got 1 point left. Used to have purge but i found it not that hot, as in keep fights its all range usualy.

Dump dex3 till you get a lot lot higher rr. it used to be a requirement for volley and longshot ( now trueshot to confuse new archers ) and mos4 , geesh.

Your ra's say you want to camp drop offs, bridges or other places that you want to hit hard and stealth away from. but your complaining about keep fights?

Get a respec stone, read critshot and the advice of all the other scouts, rangers and hunters that have posted here, and get ra's that suit what you want to do.

I've been playing my scout in rvr since I was level 25, bought volley ra as soon as I could get it, and spent most of my time at old beno, shooting purple cons that I most of the time couldn't hit.

I'm crap on the open field, I've snipered 3 sucsessful solo peeps, 2 because I had no choice , 1 because I wanted a quick port back to castle sausage and failed \o/. I've died to practically everyone , zergs, fg's , solo hib casters..
Only chance I have is run away , pop an end potion and hope that my crap stealth is good enough to hide from whoever just suprised me.

I'm just not specced that way. But give me a decent keep fight and I'm happy.

Deerstalker
Siege scout. RR3L8 /played 67days.

Edit: Also knows what each siege weapon is used for , unlike 75% of other albs... Treb is not a very good anit-shroom weapon.. walls yes, shrooms noooo!

 

[Balthus]

So you enjoyed the benefits of the hunter, and now you want us nerfed so you can kill us easy like before ?

What is it with some of these guys,do they not READ the posts b4 replying?
Scouts as far as im aware have not changed at all,its the game around them that now suits their shield which i believe they have always had?

I changed spec to 50 bow to try and get every last scrap of long range dmg from the bow as poss seeings as how we are the lowest bow dmg dealing archer class,and unlike in the old rvr you almost never find any1 solo now so not much point being 32BC with a nice blue con pet when u stuck in a keep defending half of the time or attacking a keep the rest of the time.

Also if you read the post you would see i put down that i tended to beat scouts if i caught them out in the open or as they were attacking,otherwise i was dead if they spotted me first.

Until NF i dont remember that i fought a scout who blocked my arrows,they just never seemed to bother with a shield whereas now every single scout i shoot at has a shield and can block 100% of my shots.

Theres a difference to QQ about not being as "uber" as u used to be and notbeing able to even fkin dmg the bloody char.You dont see my wolf stopping arrows hitting me do u?No ofc not you see him run across the battlefield even on the rare chance you find a lone scout and by the time hes ran over to you im dead anyways from being shot at and not being able to block the shots Are you getting the picture yet?
hunter=slower draw spd to scout=interupt=dead b4 pet can get over there to interupt.
Maybe a small rebalance would to give our pets intercept so at least they can stop a few hits every now an then at the cost of their hps?

 

[Edaemos]

Theres a difference to QQ about not being as "uber" as u used to be and notbeing able to even fkin dmg the bloody char.You dont see my wolf stopping arrows hitting me do u?No ofc not you see him run across the battlefield even on the rare chance you find a lone scout and by the time hes ran over to you im dead anyways from being shot at and not being able to block the shots Are you getting the picture yet?

Yeah the scout got the jump on you so your dead, if you get the jump on him and he is engaging you send in your pet and rapidfire him down or get into melee. You and pet = 2 attackers, scouts small shields will only block 1 attacker. Your whines are like a 50 longbow 42 shield, 35 stealth, 18 thrust scout whining that he's losing in melee to a ranger. The archers are different, get used to it.

hunter=slower draw spd to scout=interupt=dead b4 pet can get over there to interupt.

Don't smoke crack, especially in the xmas holidays when posting on game forums.

Maybe a small rebalance would to give our pets intercept so at least they can stop a few hits every now an then at the cost of their hps?

I think the pets should nuke also tbh, to achieve real balance that is.

 

[Edaemos]

You really have no clue do you :touch:

This is what most of us think when reading your posts.

HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BLOODY DO THAT IN A KEEP SIEGE WHEN U DEFENDING AND THERES LIKE 150 ALBS AROUND THE SCOUT?

Just to be curious but if there is a scout and 150 albs round him why are you shooting at the class with a shield and approximately 400 dex? or are those other 150 albs paladins?

Am i just supposed to pop out and say "Exscuse me dear chaps,would you mind ever so much not killing me while i sneak up behind this jolly fellow and try and kill him with my spear and wolf as the evil little blighter keeps jolly well blocking all my arrows"

Id suggest choosing one of those caster types, or a class without a shield and approximately 400 dex.

Or while the scouts stood up on a wall do i knock on the gate and ask to be let in pretending to be the postman with a recorded delivery that mr scout must sign for so that they let me up to him?

If there are scouts on the wall and possibly casters also why on earth would you get that close, each time i see a scout try and do this they die in seconds to an avalanche of arrows from hunters/rangers. Maybe re-think you battle plans mate.

We are in a a new age of "KEEP" warfare,thats the big things made out of stones that we all fighting for incase you missed the point

Instead of getting a kill when defending hunters/rangers are firing back at scouts and getting blocked every shot then blasted by every other alb with range ability,whereas the scout goes,crit,normal,normal dead hunter/ranger.

So there are albs below and out of all the albs and i know there will be casters you choose the one most likely to block, i think were getting closer to solving the problem of why your struggling.

i used to be 45bow/32bc/35stealth/39spear for the melee and yes i used to be able to hunt down and kill scouts if i caught them out in the open solo but its so rare now that fights are out in the open an you end up spending most your time helping take or defend a keep.

Just for you

Shoot at this ->>>

Not the ones with shields.

 

[Balthus]

Hmm oki tried that and the pet got shield slammed and stunned(while still blocking my arrows btw)

While my pet was stunned the scout still fired back at me despite me shooting at him dropped me b4 the stun had even wore off the pet,isnt there supposed to be an interupt in there somewhere when being shot at,unless he had a uninteruptable bow shot which i think may exist in 1 of the ras.

So what Edaemos is saying is that i now can only fire at albs with no shields,hmm thats going to be great fun seeings as a lot of albclasses get shields.And while shooting at these targets all the scouts that will have nobody shooting at them because theres no point are going to be picking us off?

Well see how many of these names in the thread come on an whine for nerfs of the warlocks when they arrive cause its the 1st time a realm has a better class than alb

 

[Gear]

a uninteruptable bow shot

Sureshot. Spec 45 on bow and you get it.

 

[Kinad]

Hmm oki tried that and the pet got shield slammed and stunned(while still blocking my arrows btw)

While my pet was stunned the scout still fired back at me despite me shooting at him dropped me b4 the stun had even wore off the pet,isnt there supposed to be an interupt in there somewhere when being shot at,unless he had a uninteruptable bow shot which i think may exist in 1 of the ras.

So what Edaemos is saying is that i now can only fire at albs with no shields,hmm thats going to be great fun seeings as a lot of albclasses get shields.And while shooting at these targets all the scouts that will have nobody shooting at them because theres no point are going to be picking us off?

Well see how many of these names in the thread come on an whine for nerfs of the warlocks when they arrive cause its the 1st time a realm has a better class than alb

I think you need a lot of archer training, and you sure need a basic
understanding of classes. That being said i wont deny scouts very strong in
keepbattles, but it does not help that most hib and mid archers cant play.

So lets say both classes got a huge boost, where would that leave scouts
when you actually at some point figured out howto play ?

 

[Dukat]

Hmm oki tried that and the pet got shield slammed and stunned(while still blocking my arrows btw)

While my pet was stunned the scout still fired back at me despite me shooting at him dropped me b4 the stun had even wore off the pet,isnt there supposed to be an interupt in there somewhere when being shot at,unless he had a uninteruptable bow shot which i think may exist in 1 of the ras.

So what Edaemos is saying is that i now can only fire at albs with no shields,hmm thats going to be great fun seeings as a lot of albclasses get shields.And while shooting at these targets all the scouts that will have nobody shooting at them because theres no point are going to be picking us off?

Well see how many of these names in the thread come on an whine for nerfs of the warlocks when they arrive cause its the 1st time a realm has a better class than alb

Sureshot mate, you get it at around 45 bowspec I believe. Half damage for uninterruptable shooting. A nice tool but very situational.

Try picking your battles, when in tower defences, try moving from the tower to the route that your enemy will need to take to re-enforce, then your more likely to find solo/duo targets.

If your playing on alb / excal try shooting at me, I've gone for a low shield spec so you'll find that a bit better

When attacking a shield-user, attack from behind, this means that your crit will stand a greater chance of landing (no blocks etc).

"1st time a realm has a better class than alb"?
Hold on mate, you sure thats DAOC your playing? Bonedancer? Chanter? Healer? Skald?

 

[Gear]

Hmm oki tried that and the pet got shield slammed and stunned(while still blocking my arrows btw)

While my pet was stunned the scout still fired back at me despite me shooting at him dropped me b4 the stun had even wore off the pet,isnt there supposed to be an interupt in there somewhere when being shot at,unless he had a uninteruptable bow shot which i think may exist in 1 of the ras.

So what Edaemos is saying is that i now can only fire at albs with no shields,hmm thats going to be great fun seeings as a lot of albclasses get shields.And while shooting at these targets all the scouts that will have nobody shooting at them because theres no point are going to be picking us off?

Well see how many of these names in the thread come on an whine for nerfs of the warlocks when they arrive cause its the 1st time a realm has a better class than alb

A few more things. If you thought that by making a hunter (or even a ranger) you get the best archer in the game, that is in terms of pure archery, well... you don't. The best archer is the scout. However you have your own strengths that you have to start using. In the situation you describe, I would just phase shift, last attacker, face and run to them NOT in a straight line to avoid being zephyred. While running use a charge to interrupt. If you get slamed, purge it if you think you can't make it. If you can't afford purge 2, then pre-purge with purge 1 (learn how to time, spam purge 5 secs before contact).

Point is, there are way too many tricks to deal with any class. Identifying them and using them accordingly is what will give you the kill.

Good luck out there, don't despair, look what you've done wrong and try to change it next time. Patience is your friend.

 

[Dathcald]

And it's been said before, you really don't kill much of anything going around without buffs, gear and proper ra's. Don't see how you used to kill scouts in OF without these.

 

[Framfall]

A few more things. If you thought that by making a hunter (or even a ranger) you get the best archer in the game, that is in terms of pure archery, well... you don't. The best archer is the scout. However you have your own strengths that you have to start using. In the situation you describe, I would just phase shift, last attacker, face and run to them NOT in a straight line to avoid being zephyred. While running use a charge to interrupt. If you get slamed, purge it if you think you can't make it. If you can't afford purge 2, then pre-purge with purge 1 (learn how to time, spam purge 5 secs before contact).

Point is, there are way too many tricks to deal with any class. Identifying them and using them accordingly is what will give you the kill.

Good luck out there, don't despair, look what you've done wrong and try to change it next time. Patience is your friend.

That's one way to wrap up the OP issue in a bunch of fairytales.

 

[Framfall]

Some days ago i was found, or i found him, by a rr6 ns, dont recall his name since not well known. Now we exchanged a few hits and then he ran out of melee, standing a little away. Using his ns spells on me we circled around eachother while he stayed in safe distance so able to avoid fz. I could have used me bow with uniterruptabel shots, but since i was not really in any eminent danger and ra's up i just waited letting him hurt me a little to see what he wanted. I recon he had vanish so he was probaly not in a losing position too. At some point he decided to take the chance, charged me
and got killed with cc+fz.

Im sure he knew just how risky it was to get close, but atleast he showed me the respect an old scout should have as an opponent and used his skills and brain. He took a chance, so do i sometimes, but thats part of the game.

A long time ago cg's where put into game, but i discovered altho good for
running with zerg it made me sloopy. So since then i dont join em, im solo
or maybe with a friend like lath or aches, listening to enemy death spam
and making my choice from that. I dont need a cg to find enemies i will move
and hunt from my own experience, so im awake and not thrusting some inacurrate information.

Whats the point of these stories, well everyone make mistakes, sometimes you face better players, sometimes their class better than urs in a situation,
but no reason to blame other players for you own mistakes. I had me arse
handed to me by both mids and hibs often, simply because they played better, i made mistakes or maybe just bad luck.

Certain classes not performing very well in ranged NF, but to claim hunters
and rangers cannot be played well and with fun is plain stupid, they are excellent classes, just requires a bit of experience and patience.

I dont shot at bds, chanters, tanks.... unless i think i have a chance or an
advantage, but new rangers and hunters shot away at rr5 sorcs all day
then come here complaining they should be able to kill one.
In fact its quite BALANCED, you chose when to strike, but cannot win unless opponent at a disadvantage, thats called BALANCE, not like when i hunted
gorge after beta 1-shoting any caster who came out.

Another fairytale.

 

[Gear]

That's one way to wrap up the OP issue in a bunch of fairytales.

Are you a complete idiot or you're just pretending to be?

 

[Framfall]

Are you a complete idiot or you're just pretending to be?

I pretend, unlike you

 

[bakfall]

funny how skills comes with a patch or expansion

 

[Jaem-]

Something thats very obivous here is that you should learn alil basic knowledge of the game before posting, I surgest asking some of the more experienced hunters how to play and which abilities you can use. :<

 

[evial bloodstone]

Dump dex3 till you get a lot lot higher rr. it used to be a requirement for volley and longshot ( now trueshot to confuse new archers ) and mos4 , geesh.
Your ra's say you want to camp drop offs, bridges or other places that you want to hit hard and stealth away from. but your complaining about keep fights?
Get a respec stone, read critshot and the advice of all the other scouts, rangers and hunters that have posted here, and get ra's that suit what you want to do.
QUOTE]

I spec dex for higer damage on crit and regular shot, i did read on critshot that dex was bether then FE. And your wrong about my ra, mos4 is wery nice to see assasins close to keep and get a crit shot on them, if i was higer rr i whod have goten mos5. Im rr5l6 btw. TS is handy if a enemi gets out of range whit wery low hp.

Scout is the only artcher that can block arrows and slam, and pleas dont talk about skills, i have not read eny thing that tells hove to beat shield so far. Forget solo artchers and deal whit the ide that its all tower/keep fights.

 

[Dafft]

why are ppl bitching bout scouts now?

how come no one bitched about them in OF???

they had FZ & Shields & RA's then, so whats so different now?

now shut up & piss off.

 

[Radix]

Your never going to chase down a scout if you dont go in straight line (well maybe if you use 3 end bars), and if you go in a straight line its zephyr time.

Its just one of the many
"damned if you do
damned if you dont"
when it comes to scouts.

 

[evial bloodstone]

why are ppl bitching bout scouts now?

how come no one bitched about them in OF???

they had FZ & Shields & RA's then, so whats so different now?

now shut up & piss off.

pleas read the posts, and if you cant see it, you just dont whant to.