Politics Scottish Independance.....Thoughts?

[Raven]

I don't get it

 

[BloodOmen]

Alex Salmond is starting to throw his toys out of the pram now it seems, this amused me greatly. Horrid little fat Andrew Lloyd Webber looking motherfucker.

 

[old.user4556]

Not impressed with Nicola Sturgeon at all in this debate...

For the first time ever, I thought she was ok, she's still a nippy wee shit though. George Galloway talked fat bollocks.

 

[Raven]

Sturgeon looks too much like Jimmie Cranky to be taken seriously.

 

[old.user4556]

I'd take Sturgeon over Clegg, Miliband or Cameron

 

[Gwadien]

I'd take Sturgeon over Clegg, Miliband or Cameron

Yeah, I've heard so much about how good the SNP leaders are, but frankly, when they reek of anti-English sentiment as if it was the medieval periods, it's difficult for us to warm to them

 

[old.user4556]

They're not anti English, they're anti "bunch of self serving cunts at Westminster"

 

[BloodOmen]

They're not anti English, they're anti "bunch of self serving cunts at Westminster"

Most people are, fucking your country over financially just to get one over on self serving cunts however is just plain stupidity.

 

[old.user4556]

I don't think Scotland is getting fucked over.

 

[Reginald]

Hi there,

I would very much enjoy Scotland going for independence.

 

[BloodOmen]

I don't think Scotland is getting fucked over.

Well they are

their education is paid for by England
their healthcare is paid for by England
fuck loads of the public spending money comes from England

they'd lose all that for a start, plenty more goes up in smokes as well if they went independent.

 

[DaGaffer]

They're not anti English, they're anti "bunch of self serving cunts at Westminster"

So they'll swap them for Self-serving cunts at Holyrood. The physical proximity of your elected self-serving cunts is no guarantee of non-cuntiness. This is a common mistake.

And yeah, sorry G, they're anti-English.

 

[DaGaffer]

I don't think Scotland is getting fucked over.

That's the only calculation that anyone voting next week should be making; do I take, a. "getting fucked over by a known quantity" over b. "probably getting fucked over by that known quantity even more because they're vindictive cunts, and getting fucked over by a whole bunch of other stuff that is out of the SNP's gift to promise"?

 

[megadave]

Denmark will gain the legal right to buy back Orkney and the Shetland islands if Scotland becomes independent..

Some fine Dansih Whsiky anyone?

THat would be a bit of a financial blow to a Scotch company, wouldn't it?

 

[old.user4556]

Well they are

their education is paid for by England
their healthcare is paid for by England
fuck loads of the public spending money comes from England

they'd lose all that for a start, plenty more goes up in smokes as well if they went independent.

You're automatically banned from anymore discussion for that woefully educated response.

 

[old.user4556]

So they'll swap them for Self-serving cunts at Holyrood. The physical proximity of your elected self-serving cunts is no guarantee of non-cuntiness. This is a common mistake.

And yeah, sorry G, they're anti-English.

100%.

Except the last bit.

We have more control on who has us over a barrel.

 

[BloodOmen]

You're automatically banned from anymore discussion for that woefully educated response.

I'm not wrong though? they'd lose funding from England, meaning they'd have to pull the money out of their own arse to support what they'd lose.... so unless Alex has planted a load of money tree's he's keeping quiet about they're going to take a knock.

 

[DaGaffer]

100%.

Except the last bit.

We have more control on who has us over a barrel.

I'm sat in a small country that is in theory highly democratic, there are referendums on everything. The politicians are still pricks and if anything the lack of difference in your political options at election time is even worse than in the UK. I honestly have no reason to believe Scotland would be any different.

 

[megadave]

Seems like every time some actual facts come out about a post-Yes Scotland, the No campaign complains because it damages them.

 

[Moriath]

Sturgeon. Annoys me personally cause she tries to shout over everyone.

I is a Tory boy and to have Scotland fuck off would mean mor e Tory governments. But the 2015 election will still count towards the uk government even if the scots vote yes and that just shit.

I would prefer together. There is a symbiosis of getting along that seems to work ok.

But the snp stance seems to be wholly positive. There is no. Well if oil is worse then this might not go so well I the short term. Or we are unsure on the pound. It's all we get the pound the health will be free the edu will be free we will be awesome. No questions we will Change the diet and smoking habits of the nation over night so all the dead stats will be like japan or something. No more. Buck fast is part of the promise.

Yes you will get. A labour or snp gov for the next twenty years or so. Like we will prob get a Tory one. But at the end of the day we don't trust the cunts in Westminster as much as you don't and as much as you won't in Hollyrood after the referendum.

Same shit different populous less global punching power

 

[Job]

Obviously.Scotland contributes hugely to the UK economy but taking everything into account they still take out a lot more than they earn..but that doesn't automatically mean they will go broke...it's all about confidence in their economy and that would take a long time to build.

 

[Olgaline]

THat would be a bit of a financial blow to a Scotch company, wouldn't it?

It's Highland Park!

No one would care or notice

 

[Scouse]

I'm not wrong though? they'd lose funding from England, meaning they'd have to pull the money out of their own arse to support what they'd lose.... so unless Alex has planted a load of money tree's he's keeping quiet about they're going to take a knock.

You're so incredibly wrong I'd like to repeate what G said tbh...

If Scotland leave the union and are refused a monetary union they would also leave without any debt - their books would start from a balanced (or slightly in credit) point - which is a pretty good start.

Add to that the oil revenues and other productivity - Scotland would be sitting pretty...

 

[Raven]

They won't renege on their share of the debt regardless of currency union of not...

It would be suicide.

 

[Ormorof]

And from a purely political point of view as someone interested in politics the opportunity that can arise from the birth (or rebirth? ) of a country would be enormous, the choice to me seems to be


A. Vote for a chance to have more influence and put scots in charge of Scotland (cunts or not remains to be seen)

Or B. Vote for the chance to have a bunch of entitled rich kids who went to Eton run the country with policies that disproportionately benefit their rich buddies in London with little or no thought to people on the lower end of the scale

As a bit of a socialist I know which one I would pick

 

[Raven]

The trouble is that Scotland actually get it better than England in a lot of areas, health, education etc. Its just nationalists moaning for the sake of being nationalist. Absolutely nothing will change post referendum, the same voter apathy will be the norm.

The population of Scotland is just over 5m people...GL with free education and prescriptions!

 

[BloodOmen]

You're so incredibly wrong I'd like to repeate what G said tbh...

If Scotland leave the union and are refused a monetary union they would also leave without any debt - their books would start from a balanced (or slightly in credit) point - which is a pretty good start.

Add to that the oil revenues and other productivity - Scotland would be sitting pretty...

Their oil revenue claims have already been debunked by BP and Shell though? they won't be getting near as much as Alex Salmond claimed. My point wasn't that they couldn't afford the change over, it was that they couldn't afford to maintain it with all other costs on top of it.

 

[Hawkwind]

Don't get it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00gwxhk

 

[Tom]

If Scotland leave the union and are refused a monetary union they would also leave without any debt - their books would start from a balanced (or slightly in credit) point - which is a pretty good start.

In negotiations over "who gets what", I very much doubt that Scotland would gain much favour by refusing to pay their share of the country's debt.

 

[Embattle]

Most of what would actually happen after a yes vote is unknown, all you have is what people would like to happen but whether it be Westminster or Holyrood a lot of over optimism is in play and people are being typically gullible.