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what is an soulblade? (newbie question)
Originally posted by Runolaz
First were does all this SZ Uberness come from?? About 80% of the SB's I know of are 5-Specs and latly I've seen a lot of SoulBlades as well. As far as dmg goes INF/NS using CS style outdmg any SB using the same style cuz of thrust weapons.
Originally posted by Runolaz
With all encounters I have had with INF, even with my SZ-spec they are doing nearly the same dmg as me. That includes you Pin hitting me for rougly 250+. A SZ gives up the ability to PA, thuse should have an edge against other assassins that focus more on CS for PA. After 1.62 the way of a SZ is a dead end...there is no point speccing it as an assassin killer if you don't have an edge.
Originally posted by Runolaz
I have both a CB and a SZ, but I find the SZ more fun to play. I still don't get the differnece between using back positional styles like BSII/Snowsqual and using PA, in fact they are even more difficult to land on running targets than a PA. As a SZ I suffer when it comes to taking out mages fast.
Originally posted by Runolaz
It is however fun to read Pin talking about bringing SZ into line with other assassin specs when he in other post clearly stats that he has no problems taking out SB.
Originally posted by Runolaz
If it was up to me I would trade my SB skills with that of an INF any day of the week...would you want my SZ skill on you INF??
Originally posted by Runolaz
And for the history of it ppl specced away from both 2H CS --> 5-Spec, it's cuz of Mytic gimping dmg on PA and the removal of "stay-hidden".
Originally posted by Runolaz
The CB is IMHO a very vialbe way to spec a SB if you have a buffbott, but unbuffed CB vs unbuffed INF/NS...they sadly don't stand a chance.
Originally posted by jox
"SZ is being brought into line." posted by Pin
Hm, brought into line, taste on the words.
I am a sz and I dont feel overpowered. Not a bit.
Me and Pin have been fighting from time to time. And he have even manage to kill me when he dosent use his cs line(he have cs 44 I belive), while I... who have spend ALL my points into axes (43/46) havent been able to outdamage him(we both have lifebane I think). Is that all? no, I have thrustresistant armor. But I still get killed from time to time. Can you even imagine what he would do with chainwearers?
Originally posted by jox
So where are we? Pin, outdamage me from time to time even without using his 44 cs. So except from ripping shadowzerkers to pieces with Dragonfang he can dish out 700+ whit PA when he wants to.
Take a look at Osrim, Sst and this new one Xdi or something, they all have Thrust 50 and Dual Wield 50 and they all hit as hard as I do, hm even harder from time to time. And now they are going to nerf the only advantage we sbs have?
Originally posted by jox
And the ras...I wont even start to talk about the ras...
Originally posted by jox
So why did Mythic nerf us? because most people all over us plays albs...and Mythic rather pleases the wast majorty of whining loosers like Glottis than make a good game.
Shadowbane and SWG here I come...
Originally posted by rure
what is an soulblade? (newbie question)
Originally posted by Pin
Yes, I'm specced to 44CS. If I am in melee with you without PA it does not mean I am not using my CS line. It means I am not using my stealthed styles in the CS line. However, I am using the evade chain. Maybe this is something you don't realise, but Hamstring (and follow-ups) is the highest damaging melee styles I have.
How many 5-specs or soulblades use Hamstring? None.
Why? Because Comeback hits for twice the damage. This is the disparity.
As for wondering what I do against chain. Well I hit Mid Chain wearers for similar damage as I hit Mid Leather wearers. Leather may be resistant to Thrust, but it's got 17% lower absorb.
The reasons you don't outdamage me in melee is because my first hit is _ALWAYS_ with an enervating poison on. If it resists, I switch to backup with another one. This removes your buffbot from the equation in terms of damage, whereas I am affected much less by the debuff.
Add to that that I have a spec AF buff on me, so you are losing 15% damage to that. Then add that I had 3 relics behind me then.
I fought you twice after we lost relics (in Odin's after the raid).
The first was straight up melee. You purged the enervating and stun, then 2-shot me (from ~70% hps)
The second I landed PA, CD, SS, you purged stun and enervating and 3-shot me (from 100% hps)
That's when I was fully buffed to 1750+ hps, with 635af, 1431 weaponskill, etc.
When I had relics behind me they were usually close fights between you and me, but I'd tend to come out ahead. With relics reversed it was a whole different story.
I can hardly deal out a 700+ PA when I want to. You really should know that it's from-stealth and front-positional. 2 pre-reqs. Too much skill needed, I guess (And Pin caps at 816, btw)
(Oh, Xdi is Aada btw)
Okay, so your RA sucks. I don't much like mine either. It's Nightshades who have the nice ones.
Yeah. They nerfed LA because all of the US plays in Alb... No. They nerfed it because it does too much damage by a long way.
And Shadowbane completely sucks, SWG doesn't appeal to me at all. But even if there was a huge walk-out from the assassin population there would still be far too many around in my opinion.
Originally posted by Gekul
The shadowblade can use a 2h. <- with resists as they are the delay on CD hurts more than it helps.
Originally posted by Pin
How many 5-specs or soulblades use Hamstring? None.
Why? Because Comeback hits for twice the damage. This is the disparity.
Originally posted by Runolaz
Well 39LA > 34CS, but the main reason is not dmg. Sb use Comeback instead of Hamstring, because of Frosty Gaze and the 6 sec stun. Why else do you think all 5-specs go for 39 LA. This only shows how little you know on speccing and using a SB.
I will go through the rest of your posts ASAP, but this one I had to do rigth away
Originally posted by Pin
Use Backstab II if the target will immobalize you before CD. With a 2h, BSII should cap around the same damage as my PA.
Old CBs like Creep and Eeny always knew when best to use PA or BS. Hell, I even saw Creep using 1h and shield, smacking people about for high CS damage, low delay, and base blocking rates (with naturally high dex).
Originally posted by Gekul
You're giving some interesting opinions, but this doesn't change the fact that infiltrators have more going for them. Creep was using a 1h + shield because LA can be a disadvantage when not specced. The stun on BS is shorter than the delay on the 2h weapon hehe.
Without LA, tell me how you consider shadowblades balanced?
Originally posted by froler-mid
o much wajn
after the nerf, LA still gonna be better then DW. LA hits EVERY time. DW like 60% chance too hit...yay
about LA styles doing poo dmg...live with it, DW styles are FRIKKIN useless.
Havoc etc.
Originally posted by Pin
unspecced LA is equal to unspecced DW when using equal-speed weapons.
unspecced LA is greater than unspecced DW when using a slow mainhand and fast offhand.
Spec LAMain LAOff LADPS DWMain DWOff DWDPS
------- ------ ------- --------- ------ --------- -----
5 92.04 + 42.372 43.36 135 + 18.744 38.25
10 109.08 + 43.494 49.22 150 + 20.988 43.12
[b][u]15 126.12 + 44.616 55.08[/u][/b] 165 + 23.232 48.10
20 143.16 + 45.738 60.93 180 + 25.476 53.22
25 160.2 + 46.86 66.79 195 + 27.72 58.45
30 177.24 + 47.982 72.65 210 + 29.964 63.81
35 194.28 + 49.104 78.51 225 + 32.208 69.29
40 211.32 + 50.226 84.37 [b][u]240 + 34.452 74.89[/u][/b]
45 228.36 + 51.348 90.23 255 + 36.696 80.62
50 245.4 + 52.47 96.09 270 + 38.94 86.47
55 262.44 + 53.592 101.95 285 + 41.184 92.45
60 279.48 + 54.714 107.80 300 + 43.428 98.55
65 296.52 + 55.836 113.66 315 + 45.672 104.77
70 313.56 + 56.958 119.52 330 + 47.916 111.11
Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
unspecced....1h+shield outdamages 2 axes by far.
Nearly double ;x
Originally posted by Gekul
Remember those extra points I didn't use above? If you put them in to DW you would have 30+11 DW, compared to 5+11 LA on the SB.
This would out perform a critblade spec for dps.
Originally posted by Pin
How does using Thrust weapons increase out damage? There is no difference in damage levels, just different resistances vs different armour types.
Originally posted by Pin
But any fights you had with me, yes I'll have done similar damage to you. Alb had 3 str relics, I had full buffs including spec AF and you were always hit with the top enervating poison. You shouldn't be looking at your damage in fights where you are debuffed.
Originally posted by Pin
btw, have you been hit with poisons from a NS with WA? Watch your 1900 HPs be reduced to 650 and your weaponskill drop to 500. Then try hitting their slash-resistant leather
Originally posted by Pin
Why do you find the SZ more fun to play then? Is it because he is more successful than the other build? He has a better kill rate? Can kill virtually anything? Isn't that a sign that it's slightly unbalanced?
Originally posted by Pin
Wrong tense. I _had_ no problems taking out SBs. I retired my Inf over 2 months ago. I was really only playing him for the month before that due to an addiction to RP-whoring, not because it was a whole lot of fun.
Yes, it was easy for me to kill SBs. And this was a combination of buffs, relics, debuffs, RR and experience. If I were to play him again with the current relic situation I would likely have a much tougher time against RR5+ SBs.
Originally posted by Pin
Sure. Take him if you want. I've swapped my leather for a whip anyway I'm playing to have fun, not to RP-whore.
Originally posted by Pin
I don't agree with part of that. PA damage has not been gimped. It has been slowly degraded over time due to people's armour improving. PA damage is still high, it's just not going to 1-shot every caster target you can find.
Originally posted by Pin
Again, I wish we didn't have to compare assassins in fights amongst themselves. Sucks that there are so damned many of them.
Originally posted by Pin
5 spec points does not double the damage. Even if there wasn't a stun on Frosty (which you claim is virtually impossible to land anyway) or if the target was immune to the stun and you had 39CS (hell, even 50CS) with your 39LA you wouldn't touch Hamstring with a 10ft pole. The reason being Hamstring would hit for 200, when Comeback hits for 400.
Originally posted by Runolaz
Thrust = dex/str = higer weaponskill = more dmg on styles used by all assassin classes like the CS-line.
Originally posted by Pin
Only if you look at mainhand damage per hit.
Instead, look at mainhand + offhand over time.
Originally posted by Pin
Well, that's true unbuffed. A buffed Norse (with +10 at creation and aug str 1) will be over 300str.
Anyway, the whole assassin (and stealther in general) part of this game has been shagged since 1.50 as I said before.
Originally posted by Runolaz
Again you don't get it rigth. Yes...agains a INF/NS landing Frosty gaze is hard, but against other classes they do tend to land a lot...at least I rely on Frosty Gaze as mush as you rely on Dragonfang. Comback hitting for 400...bollox. I do comback for about 40 more dmg than Snowblind. Unbuffed vs an Inf that would be 210-230 and buffed 290 - 310. That is numbers from a SZ with no Hamtring. A 5-spec has lower dmg-output and probably land Comback for 250 or so.
Originally posted by salamurhaaja
My current spec is:
37axe, 39 la, 35 stealth, 34 cs, 34 envenom
After patch [1]:
50 axe, 35 stealth, 40cs, 34 envenom
Problems:
1. Not enough points to critic chain leaper
2. No stun attack.
3. Criticblades do more damage than me.
Originally posted by salamurhaaja
After patch [2]:
46 axe, 35 stealth, 44cs, 34 envenom
Problems:
1. No stun attack.
2. Still not high weapon skills as infils
3. I prolly will loose all infils/NSs.
Originally posted by salamurhaaja
If i'd get Full respec id go:
50 axe, 32 stealth, 50cs, 22 envenom
Could be best spec for me IMO, but we are only given single line respec -> SCREWED!
Originally posted by Pin
No. I do get it... And forget actual resultant damage numbers, those depend on far too many things.
Instead, look here: http://home.nc.rr.com/obsidianguard/wyrd/Styles.htm
Hamstring has a growth factor of 1.17, Comeback has 1.76 - 50% higher damage. This is my point... If Frosty didn't have a stun on it, you still wouldn't touch the Hamstring chain because the LA versions hit 50% harder. And the Hamstring chain is my highest damage melee chain by a long way.
Go down the rest of the styles. You use Snowblind as an anytime? Well, that's got the same growth factor as Hamstring.
For my anytime style I can choose between Garotte (which again, no 5-spec or soulblade would touch over DF/Snowblind/anything else in LA), a taunt with a 0.56 factor or a bloody 0.00 factor detaunt.
Originally posted by Runolaz
If you really wanna find out. meet me in the frontier and with your buff and we can try it all out...but then again you know the answer and that is not good for you, cuz it doesn't make up...