Save The Internet.

[Raven]

so let me get this right, you are saying fox, cnn, bbc etc arent reliable then show a clip from fox that shows nothing that we havent seen before, right o

 

[Shagrat]

I'm sorry but I'm all for having a healthy streak of scepticism within each and everyone of us and clinical analysis/research of a subject is never a bad thing but for christs sake lets get things in context here.....

The internet really isnt a good place to base a judgement/opinion on. There are "scientists" and "intellectuals" on here who believe the 1908 Tunguska blast was Societ scientists testing an anti-matter device and the moon landings were faked (I mean come on, special effects in the late 60's were crap, havent they watched the Creature from the Black Lagoon) and thats before you even start trawling through the crackpots rantings......

So yes, be cynical, stand up for yourself and be your own counsel, but that doesnt just mean be wary of officialdom, it also means be wary of those who think "the man" tracks our every step. Paranoia is not a healthy state of mind.


So as official Freddyshouse spokesman for the Illuminati I hereby ask for you all to walk away from this conversation, because it never happened........

it never happened

it never happened

 

[Joor]

Maybe you need another guys opinion on this 9/11 topic.
I wouldnt call him insane or a freak; David Ray Griffin..a professor emeritus of philosophy of religion and theology, at the Claremont School of Theology in Claremont, California.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6837001821567284154

Hes view on 9/11 Commission Report

 

[Fana]

Wish people would stop focusing on the cospiracy theories and talk about net neutrality instead :/

 

[Sparx]

its funny that any major incedent has to have a conspiracy theory linked, look at Princess Di. That is still going too

 

[Huntingtons]

The day that Religion is Illegal is the day the earth blows its self up with c4 tbh.

guess you didnt live in USSR

 

[Huntingtons]

So much aggro towards joor.

I think you people are just afraid some of it might be true, seeing that you are in total denial of it.

Personally i dont have any respect for the people that starting calling people names, just because they disagree, and refuse to look at some of the proof that are blatantly obvious, then proceeding to dismiss people as "nutcases" or "psychos".

Those type of people are the people im afraid will sit in most goverments one day, and allready are.

as many already said, its not as much his views, i can relate to those - its more his way of trying to convince us - he shows no/very little solid proof (i dont mean freelance vid's from some homepage where a person preaches about some conspiracy theory) he goes off topic to prove some point (talking about pearl harbor being inside job etc.) and is very narrow minded (whenevery a person disagree's he starts attacking). To me it seems that Joor doesn't want to know anything else than what he belives which is where, to me, his credability vanishes.

/edit

here's an article to prove one of my points: http://www.patriot.dk/lindtner8.html

the guy who writes this article is a Dr. Phil. - Now Joor used a title on some guy to claim that it wasn't fraud or misguiding, now i use this instead. This guy here agrees with a french scientist that claims holocaust to be a hoax from the jews - Does it make it right because he has an university degree in some shizzle?

(you probably also wanna note on which page it's posted... Patriot.dk xD)

 

[Naffets]

I'm not one for conspiracy theories however i see Net Neutrality coming and it scares me, i'm confident that it'll come as the corporations have to start cashing in on the internet as much as possible. It's silly really, no idea why it can't continue as it is.

Someone mentioned earlier in the post "if it catches psychos and paedo's then its good" yeah its fine to say that really, but when everyone suffers purely because of a minority its taking the piss really. I'd be perfectly happy to sit with my 2mb connection aslong as it stayed as it is now, screw the 21st century network :/

See how the internet is in Japan (? or is it china? ) where google have been forced to fucking restrict what people can search for! Imagine if that happened to you, and networking companies were brought in purely to restrict what you can access. Would you be happy?

 

[Huntingtons]

nerf wanted to edit once more, but ill do a 3rd post!

danes can ask themselves if they belive this or not (browse patriot.dk for more articles and essays etc) but the way joor treats sources critism he surely would.

 

[Joor]

Huntingtons why is it the person we shall beleave? I can see what your saying( ja jeg har læst det hurtigt igennem). Doesnt change my view on this issue about 9/11 sorry

Can anyone explain why the WTC collapsed in freefall speed(8sec)? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863

 

[Huntingtons]

Huntingtons why is it the person we shall beleave? I can see what your saying( ja jeg har læst det hurtigt igennem). Doesnt change my view on this issue about 9/11 sorry

im not claiming it should change your views on any subject, but im trying to think about being abit more critical of your sources. Now if i were a constructional engineer or smth i could give you a solid explanation, but im not, and neither are you so its pointless (not saying you can puzzle with it but be weary about it)

 

[Joor]

Ok back to the subject.
Anyone know myspace.com ? Since Rupert Murdoch's $580 Million acquisition of MySpace in July 2005, it has come from total obscurity to now being the 8th most visited website in the world, receiving half as many page hits as Google.
MySpace is Rupert Murdoch's battle axe for shaping a future Internet environment where anything said against corporations or government, will not tolerated and freedom of e-speech will cease to exist.
MySpace has been caught shutting down blogs critical of itself and other Murdoch owned companies. They even censored links to completely different websites when clicking through for MySpace. When 600 MySpace users complained, MySpace deleted the blog forum that the complaints were posted on. http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article337149.ece

The Pentagon admitted that they would engage in psychological warfare( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4655196.stm ) and cyber attacks on 'enemy' Internet websites in an attempt to shut them down. Also Google has been ordered to turn over information about its users by a judge to the US government.
This is an attempt to price people out of using the conventional Internet and force people over to Internet 2, a state regulated hub where permission will need to be obtained directly from an FCC or government bureau to set up a website.

The original Internet will become a useless carcass of overpriced trash and its reputation will be defiled by the TV and media barons cashing in on the perfectly streamlined Internet 2, the free for all network that just requires you to thumbscan in order to log on! Those with a security grading below yellow on their national ID card will unfortunately be refused access.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester

 

[Phooka]

I agree with with Joor in the sence that we need to be involved and think about what changes are going to be implemented... Its like voting for a political party without you knowing what the party wants... ( This is why i dont vote cba reading up )

But i want too live my life without worrying bout everythiing the goverment and the big companies are up to. I get myself in enough shit too worry about and dont need the worlds bollox too. Wouldnt leave any time too relax and have some fun.. So before you jump on the wagon and take a piss at Joor take a chill pill ( you too Joor ) you might be kicking yourself in the head in 10 years

As for the changes i am all for monitoring but controll is the suck. Where is the line?? Monitoring is watch what people do, Controll well duh, is controll what people can do... Sad thing is monitoring will only be the first step wich will most likely lead too controll in couple of steps ofc

My point is let People keep you aware of what alternatives there are too certain situations. How certain developments can effect you in a way you didnt even think of at first. Then make up your mind and goto arms when you had enuf.. This way we hopefully will stay sharp enuf too not be 'enslaved'

 

[Raven]

Ok back to the subject.
Anyone know myspace.com ? Since Rupert Murdoch's $580 Million acquisition of MySpace in July 2005, it has come from total obscurity to now being the 8th most visited website in the world, receiving half as many page hits as Google.
MySpace is Rupert Murdoch's battle axe for shaping a future Internet environment where anything said against corporations or government, will not tolerated and freedom of e-speech will cease to exist.
MySpace has been caught shutting down blogs critical of itself and other Murdoch owned companies. They even censored links to completely different websites when clicking through for MySpace. When 600 MySpace users complained, MySpace deleted the blog forum that the complaints were posted on. http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article337149.ece

well put actually, food for thought. however, the whole point of the internet is the fact that its the only free place left on the planet, take that away and far less people will use it, it will become far less effective than it is now. I think what will happen is the real scum that do use the net for wrong, terrorists, peodo's, football holigans, racists etc will find it much harder to operate < a very good thing and worth losing some of the a rubbish thats around, virus's, trojans, malware etc that a lot of the crap sites have within them.

I am all for E-regulation so long as the quality does not suffer.



note: see, if you put it well, without spewing spittle we can have a good dicussion on the subject

 

[Raven]

The Pentagon admitted that they would engage in psychological warfare( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4655196.stm ) and cyber attacks on 'enemy' Internet websites in an attempt to shut them down..

this also is a good thing, if they cant oporate over the web they lose a lot of their propaganda tools.

 

[Raven]

http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article337149.ece

again, nice adverts for our "corporate overlords"

 

[Ballard]

I am all for E-regulation so long as the quality does not suffer.

Unfortunately they are already medling, and the quality is already starting to be impacted.

This from one of the most trusted codec technology sites on the net: http://www.doom9.org/

Now this is totally unrelated to DVDs but it shows why telcos are so afraid of net neutrality and want to charge you more to access popular services: Using skype, you can now call any regular landline phone in the US and Canada - free of charge. Certain Internet providers have already started blocking services like Skype because they cut into the revenue stream.

 

[Naffets]

ignore my prior post, wrong terminology used

It's been a long day, mind you, according to theregister, working in IT is the most stressful occupation going

 

[Ballard]

this also is a good thing, if they cant oporate over the web they lose a lot of their propaganda tools.

No its not, the same techniques that were legislated for that purpose are then used on anything else that doesnt quite fit in with the government and any other lobby groups financial plans.

 

[Calaen]

The Pentagon admitted that they would engage in psychological warfare( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4655196.stm ) and cyber attacks on 'enemy' Internet websites in an attempt to shut them down. Also Google has been ordered to turn over information about its users by a judge to the US government.

I think you will find that it was not just Google that they asked for information from, and pretty much everyone they requested information from either didnt give them anything or gave them something but not what they requested. Google refused hand over the information.

 

[Penguin]

MySpace is Rupert Murdoch's battle axe for shaping a future Internet environment where anything said against corporations or government, will not tolerated and freedom of e-speech will cease to exist.
MySpace has been caught shutting down blogs critical of itself and other Murdoch owned companies. They even censored links to completely different websites when clicking through for MySpace. When 600 MySpace users complained, MySpace deleted the blog forum that the complaints were posted on. http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article337149.ece

You're saying that MySpace shouldn't be able to decide what content will be allowed on their website? If someone wants to post something critical of MySpace, why not post it elsewhere or on their own site? It's almost insulting to use their own website against them.

Edit: On reading the article it makes more sense now. I disagree with blocking videos from rival sites.

Edit 2: Oh and btw, if Alexa is anything to go by, Myspace is actually number 6

 

[Fana]

well put actually, food for thought. however, the whole point of the internet is the fact that its the only free place left on the planet, take that away and far less people will use it, it will become far less effective than it is now. I think what will happen is the real scum that do use the net for wrong, terrorists, peodo's, football holigans, racists etc will find it much harder to operate < a very good thing and worth losing some of the a rubbish thats around, virus's, trojans, malware etc that a lot of the crap sites have within them.

I am all for E-regulation so long as the quality does not suffer.

You arent considering the fact that making less and less people use the internet is exactly what they want. As Joor says, the plan is to make people go over to Internet2, by degrading the quality and the attractiveness of the old internet both in reality and by painting it as crap via propaganda. Internet2 will be a totaly controled enviroment, where anything that doesnt conform to what the people that run it wants is cencored. There will no longer be any freedom of speach on the net, no free flow of information and culture.
Discussions such as this one will not be possible, just to make an example. Hell, non corporate alligned discussion forums such as FH would likely not be allowed, unless they paid huge fees ofc to obtain a license to operate, and then they would have to abide by rules set up in the licensing agreement - break any and you are shut down. Not to mention anyone that paid more could get preferential treatment so that any searches for stuff on FH would turn up links on their website instead.

I dont think i have to explain how dangerous this is in a world that has come to rely more and more on taking information from the net instead of old newspapers and real books etc.

 

[Benedictine]

Remember when we didn't have the internet? I do and it wasn't so bad. Books, newspapers etc as you say. People actually talking IRL - doom!

Though pre-internet we didn't have freedom of speech - all media was controlled by 'deep throats' ...... ok right.

 

[Fana]

Remember when we didn't have the internet? I do and it wasn't so bad. Books, newspapers etc as you say. People actually talking IRL - doom!

Though pre-internet we didn't have freedom of speech - all media was controlled by 'deep throats' ...... ok right.

You are missing the point.

Yes, before we had the internet people took their information from other sources, like newspapers, books, talking to each other face to face etc. Then we got the internet and people took to it like a dying man takes to water in a desert - today most people in thr western world use the internet to get information on most subjects of interest as well as their daily news. What do you think will happen when people are eventually going to go over to Internet2? Yes, they will keep taking their information from the net, only now its totaly in the control of corporations and governments. Good? Nope.

 

[Phooka]

You are missing the point.

Yes, before we had the internet people took their information from other sources, like newspapers, books, talking to each other face to face etc. Then we got the internet and people took to it like a dying man takes to water in a desert - today most people in thr western world use the internet to get information on most subjects of interest as well as their daily news. What do you think will happen when people are eventually going to go over to Internet2? Yes, they will keep taking their information from the net, only now its totaly in the control of corporations and governments. Good? Nope.

yes but it will be FASTER!!!! wOOOOt

 

[Benedictine]

You are missing the point.

Yes, before we had the internet people took their information from other sources, like newspapers, books, talking to each other face to face etc. Then we got the internet and people took to it like a dying man takes to water in a desert - today most people in thr western world use the internet to get information on most subjects of interest as well as their daily news. What do you think will happen when people are eventually going to go over to Internet2? Yes, they will keep taking their information from the net, only now its totaly in the control of corporations and governments. Good? Nope.

Whereas at the moment people look at the internet and make reasonable informed decisions like Joor. Gimme internet2 now if that's the case...

 

[Chronictank]

Whereas at the moment people look at the internet and make reasonable informed decisions like Joor. Gimme internet2 now if that's the case...

Benedictine could not post because his isp refused him access to Freddyshouse, which is a free service which couldn't afford to give money to Benedictine's ISP for connection rights for its customers...

 

[Benedictine]

Benedictine could not post because his isp refused him access to Freddyshouse, which is a free service which couldn't afford to give money to Benedictine's ISP for connection rights for its customers...

Check the adverts at the bottom...

 

[Chronictank]

Check the adverts at the bottom...

do you even know why they are there?
because FH wasn't getting enough subscribers therefore needed extra revenue to stay running...

 

[Benedictine]

do you even know why they are there?
because FH wasn't getting enough subscribers therefore needed extra revenue to stay running...

Yes I do know - been on this forum for years. The point I was making was sites like FH already require funding, therefore is not a free service per se (though I accept it is for the end user). The implication was that Internet2 would mean an end to 'free' sites. All I'm saying about the adverts is that they would have to have more to be able to afford extra costs.

Of course I could be wrong - it has been known