Save The Internet.

[Joor]

no! Real facts come from some tin pot TV presenter who aint good enough to get a real job so sits on his fat arse making up conspiracy theories in front of a massive worldwide audience of 200,000!!!!!

*edit*
Nm, cba to argue againt your "real job" " fat arse" "conspiracy theories" comment. grow up

 

[Cozak]

In Soviet Russia the internet browses you.

 

[Karl]

In Soviet Russia the internet browses you.

ROFL

 

[Joor]

Btw there was Insider trading immediately prior to 9/11, CIA meeting with bin Laden in july 2001, Warnings ignored by the goverment, no windows and Pod Missiles on the plane 175!?, Bombs in the Buildings( yes it was a demolition), Seven of the WTC Hijackers found alive(eh?), U.S. helped Osama's family leave the country on 9/11(why?)and they say a passport was found but the blackboxes was destroyed(must be first time in history).So meny evidence that is all an insider job to scare us.

 

[Gamah]

In Soviet Russia the internet browses you.

Rep tastic!

 

[Amanita]

In Soviet Russia the internet browses you.

LMAO! /rep

 

[Dallas]

So much aggro towards joor.

I think you people are just afraid some of it might be true, seeing that you are in total denial of it.

Personally i dont have any respect for the people that starting calling people names, just because they disagree, and refuse to look at some of the proof that are blatantly obvious, then proceeding to dismiss people as "nutcases" or "psychos".

Those type of people are the people im afraid will sit in most goverments one day, and allready are.

 

[Gamah]

So much aggro towards joor.

I think you people are just afraid some of it might be true, seeing that you are in total denial of it.

Personally i dont have any respect for the people that starting calling people names, just because they disagree, and refuse to look at some of the proof that are blatantly obvious, then proceeding to dismiss people as "nutcases" or "psychos".

Those type of people are the people im afraid will sit in most goverments one day, and allready are.

Maybe he shouldn't be so aggressive in his posts and we wouldn't think he was a psycho? The problem with most "alternative" views is they are put forward by people that use such extreme language and bias its hard to take them seriously.

 

[Dallas]

I never saw it any bit agressive at all..

I find it intresting, lets take for example, if you dont like a particular race, your a racist.

If you have different political views, you just see policital issues in another way.

If you write things the way you believe them to be, show people videos/news so they can make up their own mind, your a raving lunatic..

Besides, one thing that struck me was that lets take 9/11, theres huge amount of people that believe its happened very different than the official story, then i would presume that a newspaper/tv program or similar would be publically shown, and would have large debate about it. But i´ve seen nothing here in Denmark worth mentioning really, would be intresting to see if questions were raised publically in other countries.

Wouldent be suprised if a news reporter or two lost their jobs because of questions like that.

 

[Raven]

Such intelligence in here, replying with a . Go search on google about all i have said, and you will see it too.

just because something is on the internet it doesnt mean its true, google for hollow earth theory, the internet is full of nutjobs which makes it very interesting.

I dont care if the government spy on me, i have nothing to hide.

 

[Sparx]

I'm not gonna bother with this anymore, your all wrong, except Gamah cause he likes decent clubs

 

[Joor]

wow big news today..
TV Networks to Show Footage Of Plane Hitting Pentagon
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50234

 

[Calaen]

Where is your evidence to back up Pearl Harbour? Am I to assume it never really happened like its told? and the Gulf war im sure back in the 90's we went at them because of Saddam being a tool. Are you going to give me evidence to tell me otherwise.

oh wait if i google it I will find the truth

 

[Calaen]

wow big news today..
TV Networks to Show Footage Of Plane Hitting Pentagon
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50234

I await your boyfriends views on this

 

[Dahakon]

I must admit that in some cases Joor takes it a bit too far, but I find most people's views here dangerously short sighted. I think that these people who say that they don't care so long as they can have a good time need to read something like 1984, or see V for Vendetta, and although they might just be fiction, look around at the world we are living in, and you can see that we are already a long way down the road to living in those types of society.

In the end this comes down to the idea of censorship and freedom of speech and thought. OK, at the moment they might just be small things that the government is taking away, like the right to look at what websites you want, but what happens when the government gets away with that, and sees how far it can take it. I mean would you like to wake up in a country where all of a sudden being a particular religion is illegal? And then you can't even protest against this because the government has made protests illegal, this has already started in England, where it is illegal to protest within a mile of the Houses of Parliament, is this democracy?

If all this is to stop terrorism then governments have got to ask themselves what causes terrorism in the first place. One major problem with taking away people civil liberties is that the more totalitarian a government becomes, the more the "terrorist" becomes a "freedom fighter" in the eyes of the common people. I'm not saying that 7/7 happened because of this, but what happens when the common people see attacks like this as strikes against a totalitarian regime, rather than against free people?

"I might not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" because if this doesn't happen then we loose our freedom, and once that’s gone, then the next Hitler or Stalin can walk right in and exploit it.

 

[Tasslehoff]

DDR anyone ? Give up your right for security...uke:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4597990.stm
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2004/150404wantscameras.htm
http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/050304surveillancecameras.htm

Its not allowed to say anything in public anymore?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2004/060304parisbansprotest.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/270504_shoot_to_kill.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/310104freespeechzones.html

Wasen't BBC pure propaganda against the government?
If so, how can it be that you can actually use one of their articles as an argument, considering the huge bias you say BBC has, they wouldn't ever put up such an article.

 

[Calaen]

I mean would you like to wake up in a country where all of a sudden being a particular religion is illegal?

The day that Religion is Illegal is the day the earth blows its self up with c4 tbh.

 

[Grimnna]

Real facts is what...Your school books? cnn news? what bush says?
Look around you, listen and observe, ask questions hear what other people have experienced..
Im not the only one who see all this right in front of my eyes.

No facts (offcourse) are only what you tell us, I am sorry for being so blind, but I've seen the light now.... <sigh>

Having a discussion with you is getting like mudwrestling a pig... after a while you find out the pig is enjoying it even though it's nasty and useless.

 

[Joor]

Where is your evidence to back up Pearl Harbour? Am I to assume it never really happened like its told?
oh wait if i google it I will find the truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_debate

Robert Stinnett, Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor (Free Press, 2001) is a recent examination which begins claims that Roosevelt deliberately steered Japan into war with America.

Or u can watch AJ's short summery of the event here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8026557957943939415&q=911+alex+jones
From min 10.10 to 12.00

 

[Fana]

I must admit that in some cases Joor takes it a bit too far, but I find most people's views here dangerously short sighted. I think that these people who say that they don't care so long as they can have a good time need to read something like 1984, or see V for Vendetta, and although they might just be fiction, look around at the world we are living in, and you can see that we are already a long way down the road to living in those types of society.

In the end this comes down to the idea of censorship and freedom of speech and thought. OK, at the moment they might just be small things that the government is taking away, like the right to look at what websites you want, but what happens when the government gets away with that, and sees how far it can take it. I mean would you like to wake up in a country where all of a sudden being a particular religion is illegal? And then you can't even protest against this because the government has made protests illegal, this has already started in England, where it is illegal to protest within a mile of the Houses of Parliament, is this democracy?

If all this is to stop terrorism then governments have got to ask themselves what causes terrorism in the first place. One major problem with taking away people civil liberties is that the more totalitarian a government becomes, the more the "terrorist" becomes a "freedom fighter" in the eyes of the common people. I'm not saying that 7/7 happened because of this, but what happens when the common people see attacks like this as strikes against a totalitarian regime, rather than against free people?

"I might not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" because if this doesn't happen then we loose our freedom, and once that’s gone, then the next Hitler or Stalin can walk right in and exploit it.

Well said. Unfortunately people have become totally hung up to what they percieve as Joors conspiracy theories to actually read and discuss what the thread oringinally started about - Net Neutrality.

I advice anyone that has become hung up on Joors more excotic statements to simply read about the subject that originated the discussion and that ive tried to talk about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051215-5780.html About the Data Retention Directive

Then tell me if you, in all honesty, would like to see an internet where ISP's control what sites you are allowed to visit, either because some are "prefered" customers since they pay the ISP a fee, or because your government and/or large corprations doesnt like certain sites. That is the reality - it is already happening, it is no conspiracy theory, the laws that enable this are soon there and they will be used, rest assured - the organisations that lobbied them through want to see it pay off.
Without Net Neutrality, the voice of the little people, without money and power, will be silenced forever on the net. With the Data Retention Directive already in effect every communication you make is monitored, and the information is given out villynilly (there is already hard, and so far successful, lobbying by the mediagroups to be allowed to access the information to "safeguard their interests" i.e. to hunt evil software pirates and to map out customer behaviour for targeted advertisment).

 

[Joor]

finaly someone who can read between the lines, and do there own research, goodjob Fana.

 

[Fana]

finaly someone who can read between the lines, and do there own research, goodjob Fana.

Well its what i do atm, im working on my exam paper in my master of law degree, and im doing the paper on the subject of software/media piracy and filesharing, which touches alot on these subjects. I read about these things every day as part of my research, and its not happy reading exactly.

 

[Calaen]

Well its what i do atm, im working on my exam paper in my master of law degree, and im doing the paper on the subject of software/media piracy and filesharing, which touches alot on these subjects. I read about these things every day as part of my research, and its not happy reading exactly.

I didnt come up with all the look at the Sheep going about their business. If i didnt know any better I would think Joor is being paid by mr Jones to advertise his stories.

 

[Sparx]

well i am not going to worry about it. I'll continue as i have done, do you think i stopped using the tubes after july? (i know this is nothing to do with the net btw just showing that i cant stop things cause i am worried)

 

[Joor]

haha they just released this clip today, such an assault to everyone of us.. can you see a Plane. i cant
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195702,00.html

 

[Benedictine]

finaly someone who can read between the lines, and do there own research, goodjob Fana.

finally someone who reads spurious stories, half truths, lies and the ramblings of the clinically insane and money seeking self-deluded authors, and adds up 2+2 and gets 5.

Good job. You give free speech a bad name.

 

[Benedictine]

haha they just released this clip today, such an assault to everyone of us.. can you see a Plane. i cant
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195702,00.html

This is exactly what conspiracy theorists and religious freaks are like.

They ask for proof. You give them proof. They claim you made it up to substantiate the story. Such BS Joor - tell us who you are - background etc so we can decide where exactly you are coming from - I have a few ideas...

 

[Joor]

How can you call that clip a proof

 

[leviathane]

hmmmm anyone smell bullshit??

 

[Fana]

finally someone who reads spurious stories, half truths, lies and the ramblings of the clinically insane and money seeking self-deluded authors, and adds up 2+2 and gets 5.

Good job. You give free speech a bad name.

Thanks for insulting me i guess. My information and research is done on whats happening in and around these instances:

http://www.europa.eu.int/cj/en/transitpage.htm (european court of justice)
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/public/default_en.htm (the parliament of the european union)

Thats where our future is decided, and it doesnt get more official than that. I dont sit and read conspiracy theorist blogs, if i based my research on that do you think my paper would be considerd scientific enough to pass oppositional review which it eventually will have to?