Saddam Caught?

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Conchabar
yup americans used to love him ^^ <support him etc> turn a blind eye hmm i dont think they cared lol

america would never have gone into iraq unless the bounty was worth it. new bases hmm oil hmm that sounds like a pritty good bounty and saying they took out terrorists heh

are you just trolling or actually that blind and cynical? For the goverment this might be the reason, but for the people in the USA it certainly isnt. It was about WMD's, terrorists and freeing the Iraqi people.

I dont exactly know wether Belgium ever helped out Iraq, but I do know that a dutch company had sold Saddam some night googles (or something like that) and that all in all no country was actually much better than the USA was back then. Again try to realize that 15 years ago we were in a cold war with Russia. During war you do ugly stuff, however you having grown up in the 90's off course you remember nothing of the fear people had of Russia...

 

[Belsameth]

It's called Politics...
the friends of today are the enemies of tomorrow.
not just Saddam, but the Taliban too and I am sure there's numerous other examples out there (and will be in the future)

 

[Conchabar]

Originally posted by Driwen
are you just trolling or actually that blind and cynical? For the goverment this might be the reason, but for the people in the USA it certainly isnt. It was about WMD's, terrorists and freeing the Iraqi people.

the american ppl needed someone to blame. i try to comprehend that u mean that saddam was the decider of 9/11 then laugh at the stupidity of the question that u even belived that. freeing the iraqi ppl heh more like doing what americans do best puting there noses into things that dont concern them .. in actual fact they more then likley just said that for the oil and bases as i have said b4.

Originally posted by Driwen
cold war with Russia. During war you do ugly stuff, however you having grown up in the 90's off course you remember nothing of the fear people had of Russia...

well from what ive learnt about the cold war . it was nothing but america and russia seeing who had the bigger dick tbh and russia spent all there money. :> oc russia prolly would have won if they had more mulla etc.

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Driwen
are you just trolling or actually that blind and cynical? For the goverment this might be the reason, but for the people in the USA it certainly isnt. It was about WMD's, terrorists and freeing the Iraqi people.

Unfortunately the US public listen to the FUD their government feed them as do a lot of the public here.

Take, just as one example, the main excuse given for going into iraq which was, post 9/11 that al quaida had support and links to Iraq. This was pure BS, Iraq was a secular country and saddam was actually against al quaida, there were two reported instances of meeting between the two groups and both times saddam told them to sling their hooks because they are based around an islamic ideal.

Al quaida have strong links with saudi arabia (another country with a terrible human rights record) but you don't see the us trying to force democracy there.

The problem most people have isn't with the american public, or the US itself, it's a problem with the leadership of the US and the bully boy tactics they use to impose their world view and keep themselves on top of the world through miliraty power, economic bullying and hegemonic control.

 

[Sibanac]

http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/03dec/xuf006225.gif


kinde sums it up

 

[Conchabar]

Originally posted by Sibanac
http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/03dec/xuf006225.gif


kinde sums it up

lol

 

[Sibanac]

Originally posted by Conchabar
lol

Its scary tbh, saw same interview before the war and some where saying things like 'how many more Americans are we gonne let Saddam kill before we do samething ? wasnt 4000 on 9-11 enough ?''

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Sibanac
Its scary tbh, saw same interview before the war and some where saying things like 'how many more Americans are we gonne let Saddam kill before we do samething ? wasnt 4000 on 9-11 enough ?''

He shot JFK too you know.

 

[Sibanac]

Originally posted by old.yaruar
He shot JFK too you know.

yeah working together with Castro

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Conchabar
the american ppl needed someone to blame. i try to comprehend that u mean that saddam was the decider of 9/11 then laugh at the stupidity of the question that u even belived that. freeing the iraqi ppl heh more like doing what americans do best puting there noses into things that dont concern them .. in actual fact they more then likley just said that for the oil and bases as i have said b4.

I dont believe the part of 9/11, I said that it was a reason for the American people...
Also I said that it might be the reason for the goverment, but not for the people themself. However imo we should have interfered in Iraq ages ago. Saddam is only not so dangerous, because we actually interfered with Kuwait and he knew we would get rid of him, if he gave us(western countries) a reason. If we would just leave him alone, he would have messed up the lifes of many more people, killed more and maybe only important for you messed up the oil industry.

well from what ive learnt about the cold war . it was nothing but america and russia seeing who had the bigger dick tbh and russia spent all there money. :> oc russia prolly would have won if they had more mulla etc.

lol, Russia didnt have more mulla, because it was a communistic country. However this is with hindsight, USA tried to prevent from countries becoming communistic. As they believed in the domino effect, that if one would fall others would follow.
Also if the middle east would be completly communistic than the western countries, would have had a problem with oil. Which might have lead to Russia winning the cold war instead of the USA.

I doubt you actually give a damn what happens in Iraq anyway, you dont want to help those people in the slightest. So why do you care what the USA actually does there anyway?


yaruar most people have a problem with the USA in general or atleast they think they do. Where they actually should just have a problem of how the USA goverment uses propaganda against it own people, how their major TV buys it and the thing the goverment does. I just tried to show Conchabar that he should just be mad of the goverment and not the people, atleast if he had that right (which he doesnt imo).
Yes the USA goverment gives them aload of crap, which every other goverment does aswell actually (except the USA prolly in a bigger way).

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Sibanac
Its scary tbh, saw same interview before the war and some where saying things like 'how many more Americans are we gonne let Saddam kill before we do samething ? wasnt 4000 on 9-11 enough ?''

you got stupid people everywhere. Some inquiry had shown that some part of the German people thought the sun goes around the earth (dont know the exact number, but it was atleast 1%).

 

[Twotosix]

Osama bin laden recieved the keys to new york at one point & chainey used to be good buddies with poor old Saddam maybe he's just not fotm enough anymore :/

I would have been so for the capture of saddam /osama & maybe even approved of the war 'If' america wasn't funding a terrorist state like israel. But as it is Bush is a puppet/muppet , the u.s. is run by zionists and this whole war is the bush families pet crusade. Ever since the invasion of iraq the world's turned a blind eye to the most important issue of our times and that's wht's happening everyday to the palestinian people.

Amercian's should just stick to what they know; like executing minors & field testing crack /aids on the minorities

Oh and Btw the bush's are shapeshifting baby eaters, some of the first pilgrims off teh boat or somethin... Oo

 

[Brynn]

I read the Michael Moor book "dude where's my contry"

Turns out the day the twin towers were hit. All of Osama Bin Ladens extended family in the USA were rounded up by the FBI. Treated really nicely. Then a plane was chartered for them. then They were flew to Afganistan. I mean heloooooooooo US government keep them as prisoners.

 

[Sibanac]

Originally posted by Driwen
you got stupid people everywhere. Some inquiry had shown that some part of the German people thought the sun goes around the earth (dont know the exact number, but it was atleast 1%).

From all the yanks I spoke to in the last couple of months there was a fairly high percentage of people that was convinced that Saddam had atleast samething to do with 9-11.


And btw the Vatican only admited that the earth went round the sun samewhere in the late 70's

 

[seeaira]

Oh the Joy... Another thread of retards who have most likely never even BEEN to the USA making a bunch of half whited commits about what they think the ideas and motives are behind the war and capture of Saddam.

Another thread on how America is one of the worst countries and how Americans are so clueless. blah blah blah uke: freekin blah

Well,.. I have decided not even to defend America anymore or the motives behind Americans, after all im just one person and MAYBE we do have some alterior motives.
But I have taken on a new outlook on all this.. THANK GOD IM AMERICAN cause supposedly most other countries and people are so envious about us, we gets lots of attention and great conversations debates and flamed threads! Oh and .. lets not forget it was the American president who shunned the UN and got away with it..

Talk and talk and debate all you want, cause in the end America will still be the same.. third largest country in the world.. one of the most powerful and ... we get away with crap! soo :sleeping: :sleeping:

By the way did you happen to notice im one of those typical Americans you guys love to hate all patriotic and crap and loving my country supporting my leaders... FOR SHAME!!

If America finds WOMD after this capture of Saddam I already know what you guys and others will say.. ITS A FREEKIN HOAX the Americans set it up so they wouldn't look bad!! lol we can never win.. in your eyes Americans and there supporters will always be liars and greedy people.. so I give up.. IM FREEKIN GREEDY.. and loving it ....Happy?

 

[Brynn]

na-na-na-na

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Twotosix
Osama bin laden recieved the keys to new york at one point & chainey used to be good buddies with poor old Saddam maybe he's just not fotm enough anymore :/

I would have been so for the capture of saddam /osama & maybe even approved of the war 'If' america wasn't funding a terrorist state like israel. But as it is Bush is a puppet/muppet , the u.s. is run by zionists and this whole war is the bush families pet crusade. Ever since the invasion of iraq the world's turned a blind eye to the most important issue of our times and that's wht's happening everyday to the palestinian people.

Amercian's should just stick to what they know; like executing minors & field testing crack /aids on the minorities

Oh and Btw the bush's are shapeshifting baby eaters, some of the first pilgrims off teh boat or somethin... Oo

 

[Belsameth]

Keep it civil or it WILL get locked.
I don't care if you agree with eachother or not, but sillyness like seeaira is showing will not be tolerated.

the God thread showed you guys can discuss issues in a somewhat civilized matter too, so stick to it

 

[Brynn]

I was quite impressed with that thread Bels

 

[Coim-]

That's something I don't get. Why are Americans so patriotic?

 

[Belsameth]

Originally posted by Brynn
I was quite impressed with that thread Bels

so am I actually.
I actually dared participate, while I usually shy away from discussions here (other then wave my Moddingstick of Doom around a bit)

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by seeaira
Oh the Joy... Another thread of retards who have most likely never even BEEN to the USA making a bunch of half whited commits about what they think the ideas and motives are behind the war and capture of Saddam.

now who's the generalizing bastard?


When a country (yours) invade another country because of multiple more or less bogus reasons, its gonna catch some flak.

And you know why ppl might think that if USA found WMD's in Iraq now it might be faked? Because your government especially has a fucking gruesome background with cover-ups, lies, and general being a fucking cvnt (censor THIS my ass etc). Things like demanding to be exempt from the geneva convention, funding secret wars, sticking up for Israel (and the way it responds to the terrorists) and stuff like that you know. It kinda hurts their credibility.

You havent clearly stated what you think about the issues in question here, so I wont jump to conclusions. Fact of the matter is that there is alot of more or less well reasoned hate against america. Where you stand is where your line of caring should go, if you think bush is a twat and all that, then you shouldnt care much when morons and smart ppl come flame the US, there are morons on both sides, ofc not all arguments will be sound. If you on the other hand think bush is like a second Jesus, then you might come here and do the "flame the ignorant" move (or more likely the "flame everyone that dont worship bush" move.

my 2c

 

[Coim-]

Originally posted by Belsameth
so am I actually.
I actually dared participate, while I usually shy away from discussions here (other then wave my Moddingstick of Doom around a bit)

The whole 'modding stick of doom' thing doesn't work too well with the new custom title and avatar.

 

[Belsameth]

Originally posted by Coim-
The whole 'modding stick of doom' thing doesn't work too well with the new custom title and avatar.

you just HAD to bring that up, didn't you?
*cries irl*

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Belsameth
Keep it civil or it WILL get locked.
I don't care if you agree with eachother or not, but sillyness like seeaira is showing will not be tolerated.

the God thread showed you guys can discuss issues in a somewhat civilized matter too, so stick to it

You know I find it interesting that in a European forum where bashing America is always allowed when an American decided to take the better approach to it, sarcasm and silliness, you say that is the sort of behavior NOT tolerated?? :: confusion::
What about bashing other countries? How about that not being tolerated. Im one person and in a sea of Europeans, if I cant be funny and sarcastic when people are flaming my country what would you have me to do pray tell?

 

[Coim-]

Originally posted by Belsameth
you just HAD to bring that up, didn't you?
*cries irl*

Of course!

 

[Coim-]

Originally posted by seeaira
Oh the Joy... Another thread of retards who have most likely never even BEEN to the USA making a bunch of half whited commits about what they think the ideas and motives are behind the war and capture of Saddam.

Such stlong funnines.

 

[Belsameth]

Originally posted by seeaira
You know I find it interesting that in a European forum where bashing America is always allowed when an American decided to take the better approach to it, sarcasm and silliness, you say that is the sort of behavior NOT tolerated?? :: confusion::
What about bashing other countries? How about that not being tolerated. Im one person and in a sea of Europeans, if I cant be funny and sarcastic when people are flaming my country what would you have me to do pray tell?

the opening of your post a bit up the page

Oh the Joy... Another thread of retards

says enough, doesn't it?

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by seeaira
You know I find it interesting that in a European forum where bashing America is always allowed when an American decided to take the better approach to it, sarcasm and silliness, you say that is the sort of behavior NOT tolerated?? :: confusion::
What about bashing other countries? How about that not being tolerated. Im one person and in a sea of Europeans, if I cant be funny and sarcastic when people are flaming my country what would you have me to do pray tell?

oh PUHLEASE, dig into the "IM A MINORITY AND IM GETTING FLAK, YOU RACIST!!!!!" defense

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Arnor
now who's the generalizing bastard?


When a country (yours) invade another country because of multiple more or less bogus reasons, its gonna catch some flak.

And you know why ppl might think that if USA found WMD's in Iraq now it might be faked? Because your government especially has a fucking gruesome background with cover-ups, lies, and general being a fucking cvnt (censor THIS my ass etc). Things like demanding to be exempt from the geneva convention, funding secret wars, sticking up for Israel (and the way it responds to the terrorists) and stuff like that you know. It kinda hurts their credibility.

You havent clearly stated what you think about the issues in question here, so I wont jump to conclusions. Fact of the matter is that there is alot of more or less well reasoned hate against america. Where you stand is where your line of caring should go, if you think bush is a twat and all that, then you shouldnt care much when morons and smart ppl come flame the US, there are morons on both sides, ofc not all arguments will be sound. If you on the other hand think bush is like a second Jesus, then you might come here and do the "flame the ignorant" move (or more likely the "flame everyone that dont worship bush" move.

my 2c

Yeah cause we ALL KNOW no other government has told the people lies or cover up crap huh?

And the reason I didnt put down what I really felt is that if you knew my posts you know that I have debated and talked about this enough, im not going to keep doing it. People are alowed to believe what they want.. and im glad of that. And now the people of Iraq can think and say as they want.. im glad of that as well.
I just am so sick of the america bashing and people who know nothing claiming to know it all..

And no I dont think Bush is the second Jesus.. but I did vote for him, support him and will do so again next year so