rvr class balance.

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by Arnor
So you want perma celerity? I think NOT

I want a not nerfed form of haste:

Midgard got a conc buff haste where alb got a timer one castable by theurg (that mean if you dont have a theurg in group you wont have haste/damage add) midgard got that+celerity stackable,and friars aren't common like healers/or buffbots.

every mid group got haste buffs,hardly an albion group have it.

Hibs got a conc haste buff and group damage add (drood/wardens)

Originally posted by Arnor

doesnt pallies have a group dmg-add?

it sux..

Originally posted by Arnor
umm, 50/50 pole/1h arms does more dmg then any heavytank in the game afaik. (yes doublespeccing sucks, but no you dont need annihiliation.

why then jawz caps on ragnarok are higher than mine?

and tbh I can't spec slam whitout gimp myself when heroes got free slam and warrior more than that,so yes I need a form of usable stun.

Originally posted by Arnor

Warrior:remove the 3% ws bonus (they really didn't need it) they did, but if you gonna remove that, give them some fucking uniqueness.

Warriors are the best and more balanced heavy tanks of the game. they don't need anything.

Originally posted by Arnor


Beserkers:the idea of unmezable rats sound fun.

I cant for the life of me understand why some ppl whine about this being overpowered. whats so fucking scary about a zerker charging your support alone, while his group is mezzed and he has 10secs left on frenzy?

you misandestood me,I said it's fun---> I agree whit that.

 

[vintervargen]

General

- Give pure casters a special ability, 30-50% chance to resist any spells
- Rework the interrupt system, misses/resists should not cause interrupts.
- Add a maximum number of attackers on one target (melee speaking) something like 2-4
- Improve pet classes Pet lines with additional spells for PvE

Albion

- Sorcs should get a abs buff (self only)
- Ice wizards should get their pbaoe cast time lowered to same as the other realms
- Debuff spells should be looked at (speaking which classes have what debuffs)
- Earth theurgists needs to be looked at (maybe earth lines in general)
- Add a scout specific RA that gives them a speed shout similar to rangers/hunters
- Dragonfang should be moved to DW line

Hiberia

- Bards should only need to use the proper instruments when starting a song (no need to wield them to keep song working)
- Bards need some kind of snare/root
- Light mentalists charm ability should not drain power
- Mentalist line should get some kind of insta heal
- Animists need proper spells for open RvR
- Wardens should get shield spec
- Heat debuff should be looked at
- Remove insta AE mez

Midguard

- Thanes should get higher specpoints or more base weaponskill
- Thanes should get a castable 5 sec timer PBAOE spell at high stormcalling spec
- Bonedancers need at least one spelline reworked so they can offer more in group fights
- Frosty gaze should be lvl 44 or 50 with after evade criteria
- Savages needs their multiple hit % balanced
- Savages selfhaste should be removed or not stackable
- Savages needs the taunt shout removed (if it will continue to interrupt)
- Remove insta ae mez
- Remove insta ae stun

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Ialkarn
I want a not nerfed form of haste:

Midgard got a conc buff haste where alb got a timer one castable by theurg (that mean if you dont have a theurg in group you wont have haste/damage add) midgard got that+celerity stackable,and friars aren't common like healers/or buffbots.

every mid group got haste buffs,hardly an albion group have it.



not every mid group has a good haste, but sure, you can have a conc buff haste from friar for instance



why then jawz caps on ragnarok are higher than mine?

because he is rr10 and has a better/slower wpn (i think) and he proplly has lower quick.


and tbh I can't spec slam whitout gimp myself when heroes got free slam and warrior more than that,so yes I need a form of usable stun.
we all want a usable stun dont we? I dont think annihilation is the answer tbh


Warriors are the best and more balanced heavy tanks of the game. they don't need anything. even if warriors were god incarnate, perma frenzied zerkers with 2h hitting for 2MILLION dmg @ 1.5sec delay, they'd still have nothing unique

*cough* well you get my point



you misandestood me,I said it's fun---> I agree whit that. I know you agreed, but alot of ppl didnt, thats why I said what I did

 

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by Arnor
not unreasonable, but give slower wpns to every realm please then, no fair that alb has slowest wpns afaik.

Midgard got the slowest 1h weapons

and 2h weapons are as slow as alb weapons.
the slowest weapon in albion it's 6.0 ( a drop) the slowest in midgard its 5.9 if I m not wrong.and albs should have some advantages cause the doubles spec.

Don't know really about hibernia..but if I remember well spear drops are nice.
2h spec give access to both slash/crush damage so doubt you have problems of variety really.

 

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by Arnor
because he is rr10 and has a better/slower wpn (i think) and he proplly has lower quick.

you think wrong I m rr8 and jawz sword spec wasn't even capped.
and I play whit +0 quick
my weapon it's the slowest I can have for my class/spec
5.5. ---->something its wrong:give slowest weapons and/or an higher cap.

let's not talk about 2h caps.they are shit.

 

[Ialkarn]

Give to clerics the change to train moblocking

quote:
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Originally posted by Arnor

why just clerics? why not druids, shamans, wardens, bards, healers etc? if cleric gets mob, so does all the other healingclasses imo.

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er Actually Droods/Wardens Healers/Shammy have moblocking access

the shame it's clerics dosen't (I wonder why)

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

- Ice wizards should get their pbaoe cast time lowered to same as the other realms

This is fixed.

What wizards really need imo is:

Ice
- Reduce cast time of the dd/snare from 3.0 seconds to 2.6 seconds
- Reduce cast time of dd/cold debuff from 3.0 seconds to 2.6 seconds

Fire
- Fire doesn't need anything extra: see below

Earth
- Change the AoE root back to AoE stun, like it was on Pendragon before they decided not to...

General caster issues:

Give all healer classes (friar, cleric, healer, shaman, druid, bard, warden) a baseline acuity buff spell - fighters get base str and spec str, why can we only get a spec int and no base int?

Make all resists after 27% have diminishing returns, so all these groups running round with 27% + AoM2 + 24% Resist buffs + Possible resist chants don't fuck any caster over.

I can't see how any of these changes are overpowered in anyway and they should have been implemented as soon as wizards started nuking people for 250(-300)

Anyway, good luck to anyone in pressing for these changes, I've given up.

 

[Ialkarn]

I would say:nerf healers insta haste debuff..but have fair haste buff chances in albion would fix it already.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Ialkarn
you think wrong I m rr8 and jawz sword spec wasn't even capped.
and I play whit +0 quick
my weapon it's the slowest I can have for my class/spec
5.5. ---->something its wrong:give slowest weapons and/or an higher cap.

let's not talk about 2h caps.they are shit.

slowest in mid is 5.7

I honestly doubt that jawz DONT have 70 sword/shield tbh.


and I had no idea the others have mob, and if they do, ofc give it to clerics, anything else is just retarded.

mids slowest 1h is 4.1, hib got a 4.3 galla piercer atleast.

 

[old.anubis]

nice to read comments from albs
in summary "nerf mids/hibs even more, and give us more love"

imo
remove thane class from the game completely and the game is ok

 

[mele]

And. Give Scale slash resist or make it Neutral.

 

[<Harle>]

Originally posted by Ialkarn

Hibs got a conc haste buff and group damage add (drood/wardens)

quote:
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Originally posted by Arnor

doesnt pallies have a group dmg-add?

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it sux..

hmm, lets compare, shall we?

Paladin:
Damage Add (Chant)
Everyone in the caster's group has the given amount of damage added to each melee swing.  
46  Greater Battle Zeal  Group  0s (Pulse)/6s/8s  Rng: 1500  7.5 dps (Body)  0 power

Warden:
Damage Add (Chant)
Everyone in the caster's group has the given amount of damage added to each melee swing.  
46  Nature's Reckoning  Group  0s (Pulse)/5s/8s  Rng: 700  7.5 dps (Body)  0 power

 

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by old.anubis
nice to read comments from albs
in summary "nerf mids/hibs even more, and give us more love"

Why you care? you play only 3fgsvs 1 fg.
it shouldn't bother you too much.

 

[AbPoon]

GIV HIB LOVE OBV

 

[mele]

GIVE SCALE SLASH RESIST !!!!!!!!
mmmm And make moose each 6 mins like zerk

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by Ialkarn
Why you care? you play only 3fgsvs 1 fg.
it shouldn't bother you too much.

you play with 6 fgs vs 1 fg
you shouldnt care at all

 

[AbPoon]

ZERK IS 7 MINUTES RTFM!1!!111!!1!!1!!!!

Dont whine about a class till you know about the class is question k

 

[mele]

6 or 7 mins is exactly the same 1 min is not that important, or it is AbPoon?

 

[AbPoon]

Yes it is, wrong is wrong :>

 

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by old.anubis
you play with 6 fgs vs 1 fg
you shouldnt care at all

ahahaha sure...

do you have something of usefull to add at this thread?no?then stfu.

 

[gwal]

Originally posted by Arnor


Beserkers:the idea of unmezable rats sound fun.

I cant for the life of me understand why some ppl whine about this being overpowered. whats so fucking scary about a zerker charging your support alone, while his group is mezzed and he has 10secs left on frenzy?


hmmm, balance savage and I wouldnt mind that much.

 

[Ialkarn]

To Harle:ye what you wrote it's true
but pali have to run end chant also and twist blows aloot of mana.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Ialkarn
To Harle:ye what you wrote it's true
but pali have to run end chant also and twist blows aloot of mana.

46 Chant of Blood Group 0s (Pulse)/5s/8s Rng: 700 7.5 dps (Body) 0 power

sorc has crack for pallies

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by vintervargen

General

- Give pure casters a special ability, 30-50% chance to resist any spells
- Rework the interrupt system, misses/resists should not cause interrupts.
- Add a maximum number of attackers on one target (melee speaking) something like 2-4
- Improve pet classes Pet lines with additional spells for PvE

Albion

- Sorcs should get a abs buff (self only)
- Ice wizards should get their pbaoe cast time lowered to same as the other realms
- Debuff spells should be looked at (speaking which classes have what debuffs)
- Earth theurgists needs to be looked at (maybe earth lines in general)
- Add a scout specific RA that gives them a speed shout similar to rangers/hunters
- Dragonfang should be moved to DW line

Hiberia

- Bards should only need to use the proper instruments when starting a song (no need to wield them to keep song working)
- Bards need some kind of snare/root
- Light mentalists charm ability should not drain power
- Mentalist line should get some kind of insta heal
- Animists need proper spells for open RvR
- Wardens should get shield spec
- Heat debuff should be looked at
- Remove insta AE mez

Midguard

- Thanes should get higher specpoints or more base weaponskill
- Thanes should get a castable 5 sec timer PBAOE spell at high stormcalling spec
- Bonedancers need at least one spelline reworked so they can offer more in group fights
- Frosty gaze should be lvl 44 or 50 with after evade criteria
- Savages needs their multiple hit % balanced
- Savages selfhaste should be removed or not stackable
- Savages needs the taunt shout removed (if it will continue to interrupt)
- Remove insta ae mez
- Remove insta ae stun

Quoteing myself again, want to see if someone actually got any useful things to say

 

[<Harle>]

uhm, and Warden has tu run bubble, so I don't see your point. As a matter of fact you will almost never see any Hib attacking with a dmg-add, because:
a) Warden is running pbt
b) chanter isn't specced enchantments ( and if he is he's not in that rvr-group )
c) hibernian dmg-adds don't stack

On the other hand mids will always have the skald dmg-add chant in their groups and albs will 80% of the time have a Theurg/Wizard with their baseline dmg-add, so my demand to this thread would be: giv hib a common dmg-add

 

[Arnor]

why should only savages get tauntshout removed? and how would they pull in pve?



ps: all tauntshouts are being tagged non-interrupt and 15sec recast or sumt soon btw.

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

Originally posted by old.SadonTheGrey
This is fixed.

What wizards really need imo is:

Ice
- Reduce cast time of the dd/snare from 3.0 seconds to 2.6 seconds
- Reduce cast time of dd/cold debuff from 3.0 seconds to 2.6 seconds

Fire
- Fire doesn't need anything extra: see below

Earth
- Change the AoE root back to AoE stun, like it was on Pendragon before they decided not to...

General caster issues:

Give all healer classes (friar, cleric, healer, shaman, druid, bard, warden) a baseline acuity buff spell - fighters get base str and spec str, why can we only get a spec int and no base int?

Make all resists after 27% have diminishing returns, so all these groups running round with 27% + AoM2 + 24% Resist buffs + Possible resist chants don't fuck any caster over.

I can't see how any of these changes are overpowered in anyway and they should have been implemented as soon as wizards started nuking people for 250(-300)

Anyway, good luck to anyone in pressing for these changes, I've given up.

^^

 

[mele]

Nerf See Hidden ANd TS.

 

[Jiggs]

Originally posted by AbPoon
Yes it is, wrong is wrong :>

if you count the amount of time in 'zerk mode' then its 6mins 30secs afaik

 

[mele]