RvR Any fun anymore???

[kenshee-himura]

First of all this isn't a flame thread, the things I write here are totaly my opinion and I'm not directing this thread to any realm.
But since I'm an alb/hib player this thread rather goes about them.
It's an observation more or less.
Basicly ever since I got my 2nd account and I play on excal/hib I noticed some things.
After a nice evening of xping with Paranoia's alt I found out what most of the hibs think about albion.
We all know the nice flame threads à la to albs@emain, albs are zerling jadajadajada, Hibs are overpower got insta win button blablabla.
Hibs are more or less dissapointed that albs seldom fight 1FG vs 1FG, from alb's side of view this is easely explained.
1FG albs (wich is 60% random grps) just have no chance vs the 1FG hibs (90% Guild RvR grp, VGN, LA). For once albs dont have that many high RR ppl (without chronicles that's hard to say now thx to mythic) but I would guess most albs are about RR3-4 maybe even RR5. In theory we should be able to win some of the encounters (sometimes we do now too but I see more : crappy overpowerd hibs owned us then yeah we owned them..)
So what do albs do we go out in 2FG+ most of the times so we actualy have a chance if we see them hibbies or middies (which seem to have albionitis lately )
But then again RR isnt the only reason alb fails to win 1 on 1 situations,
imho the main reason is that albion lacks experienced sorcerers.
We do have some experienced ones idd and ppl who have those in the grp have a very good chance of getting alive out of the fight (with a few deaths maybe but hey won is won)
I think if albs get more experienced sorcers going we would end up being very able to do 1 on 1.
Ofc there's still that sorcers got bolt range mezz, some time it works sometimes not (i'm not gonna go into this subject as it is way too easy to flame about )
Ofc mythic is to blame too making RvR zone checkpoints (mile gates and so on) RvR system must be tweaked for sure.
So with alb zerg going on and hibs never being out in very big numbers (yeah occationaly they zerg too) is RvR any fun anymore?
I mean i dont see the fun in zerging 2 fg hibs with 5 FG zerg getting crappy 30 rp a kill, and sometimes i just laugh @ alb zerg when they get pwned by pbae getting killed massivly and giving them more rp in 2 sec then we make in a whole day.
What to do about this? Well instead of all going to emain lets go to the other frontiers. Many albs do go odins now adays but HW is deserted as usual.
Albion ppl who are GL and do have a good grp (having all needed classes cleric,tanks,CC,speed) go roam on ur own , you will lose most of the times but maybe atleast u learn something by doing so.
Anyway those are my 5 cents about RvR.
I hope this thread will bring ppl to think (yeah right when pigs fly )

 

[Hit ^_^]

hmm way to much txt for me sorry

and yes rvr is still fun. sometimes anyway.

ppl tend to whine about zergs a bit tho

 

[vesta]

I think that albs problem is as you state "experienced" players yes..

Maybe if they all werent so bloody RP horny, and actually sit down at the TK make an efford of making a good well-balanced group, instead of just spam invite every1 that ports over and start the zerg..

Yes i am saying that albs are starting the zergs why??? Easy, you are making random groups and dont have half the people you need, you move out, find a balanced mid/hib grp and die in seconds, then you whine about our healers overpowered instas and jaddajaddajadda, then you /release call your friends and in the next 5 ports you wait for 30+ ppl and still spam invite every random yellowcon you see.

These 30 albs now move together as a zerg. find the 1fg mid/hib you kill them get 30rps each and spam laugh at them after (well the noobs do anyway)

Now mids/hibs come back to emain in hope that the zerg have splitted, after a few mins of running they clash together albs kill the 1fg.

In order to break the zerg mids/hibs now have to call for help as they get no RP. thus 2-3fg suddently gives eah other info and support. They find the albs and kindly kills em all, then the 2-3 fgs split and run around in 1fg to have some fun 1fg vs 1fg fights (they hope)

Next thing that happens Albs now wait 10 ports and now they have 6-10fgs at ATK and STILL you spaminvite any1 you see to kill 2-3fg mid/hib and thus the zerg truly starts...Fun ruined for every1..........

Now my advice to you is; have patience, create chars that are needed in rvr. Learn to play your classes well, dont zerg, have fun!!!

Instead of spam inviting any1 to your groups just to have a fg that can run out, try to get what you need. if there arent any start looking for one if you are missing a minstrel do /who minstrel 50 and ask some of them if they wanna join rvr group...

Now this is how i play, if i get invited to a random group i first check if the group have all they need; healers skald shammie etc, if they dont i leave the group and kindly tell them that they should find a class they need, there is no point running around with 8 tanks in a group now is there??

 

[Hit ^_^]

orka läsa all text :\

books belong in a library....

 

[K0nah]

"RvR Any fun anymore???"

sometimes, often its just a dull rehash of the same old routes, kill the same key classes etc (even when ur winning)

i've noticed hibs and mids have raised thier game lately, as have some albs, this arms race just makes it even tuffer for imbalanced or inexperienced alb goups imo

give new rvr zones, like yesterday, please.

 

[piggeman]

Originally posted by vesta
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You got a very good point here. It seem that alb run most of the time in random grps. My guess it that if a guild would try albions for a month, then would create a good grp with chars that are needed for rvr. My personal experiance from Mid is that our "random" grps only invite people that are needed before leaving mid tk.

I play in RG (and by saying this i guess this thread will lead to another whine thread ). Anyways, we get several whine threads each weak about how we "camp" mid tk before moving out with our famous mini zerg. And as most of you people know, this isn't true. We are only waiting at mid tk for people that are needed.

If albs would do the same, I don't think they would have to zerg to get rps. I'm 100% positive of this.

 

[kenshee-himura]

Originally posted by piggeman
I play in RG (and by saying this i guess this thread will lead to another whine thread ). Anyways, we get several whine threads each weak about how we "camp" mid tk before moving out with our famous mini zerg. And as most of you people know, this isn't true. We are only waiting at mid tk for people that are needed

You got a point there i barely meet any unbalanced hib/mid grps think albs should give it a try too to get a balanced grp going.

 

[grimster]

To quote an alb in bg1:

"Guys guys! don't leave atk yet! lets wait for 2 more ports...or atleast 1 more port before we move out!"

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by grimster
To quote an alb in bg1:

"Guys guys! don't leave atk yet! lets wait for 2 more ports...or atleast 1 more port before we move out!"

Must be a fake!!

 

[qyrf]

you want us to come out and play in rvr right ?

so for long do you expect us to wait for a no bot cleric? or for a sorc ?? 2hours 5hours ????

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by qyrf
you want us to come out and play in rvr right ?

so for long do you expect us to wait for a no bot cleric? or for a sorc ?? 2hours 5hours ????

do you want to rvr?

does a cleric/sorc gets a grp easy?

( if you dont see what i mean here it is: )

roll one

 

[VodkaFairy]

RvR can be fun, but tbh everything in daoc is becoming more and more boring every day.

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by qyrf
you want us to come out and play in rvr right ?

so for long do you expect us to wait for a no bot cleric? or for a sorc ?? 2hours 5hours ????

I rather see albs wait at apk than make a 50 people zerg somewhere.

 

[old.m0000]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
RvR can be fun, but tbh everything in daoc is becoming more and more boring every day.

that why you stealthzerg minstrels now then?

 

[vintervargen]

hahah m00, your almost as good as the LA whiners (myself included) to squeeze in whine in some random thread

 

[old.Rusfighter]

Originally posted by qyrf
you want us to come out and play in rvr right ?

so for long do you expect us to wait for a no bot cleric? or for a sorc ?? 2hours 5hours ????

Lil history...:

- 1.5 years ago BC group sometime leaved TK with only 2 musthaves (healer+skald)
- some months ago it was 3 musthaves (healer+skald+RM)
- nowadays pac/pacmend healer + augmend healer + 42-43aug shammy + skald + RM = MUSTHAVE support set

ToDo list:
- know all good support ppl on your realm (mains/alts/playtime/spec/RAs)
- make support chars and force your guild to do that
- be patient (better spend 1 hour @ TK and run in good group for all over the night)

Another lil history...:
- 1.5 years ago i got only 1 skald
- created 50 healer coz GUILD and REALM need it 4 good RvR
- created 50 suppression RM coz GUILD and REALM need it 4 good RvR
- 43/27/18 shammy in progress... guess why... coz GUILD and REALM need it 4 good RvR

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by old.Rusfighter
Lil history...:

- 1.5 years ago BC group sometime leaved TK with only 2 musthaves (healer+skald)
- some months ago it was 3 musthaves (healer+skald+RM)
- nowadays pac/pacmend healer + augmend healer + 42-43aug shammy + skald + RM = MUSTHAVE support set

ToDo list:
- know all good support ppl on your realm (mains/alts/playtime/spec/RAs)
- make support chars and force your guild to do that
- be patient (better spend 1 hour @ TK and run in good group for all over the night)

Another lil history...:
- 1.5 years ago i got only 1 skald
- created 50 healer coz GUILD and REALM need it 4 good RvR
- created 50 suppression RM coz GUILD and REALM need it 4 good RvR
- 43/27/18 shammy in progress... guess why... coz GUILD and REALM need it 4 good RvR

all you need to know...

 

[kenshee-himura]

I already rolled a cleric is a lvl 23 atm
and i even rolled a sorcer which is @ 11
I'm busy getting the needed classes up
Oh yeah btw just dinged 50 with me pala

 

[Gorbash]

why should people be restricted to what class they play because thats what a group wants rather than what the player wants?

why should groups be restricted by/depend on certain classes rather than individual players? (mythics fault for group-based effects - bad idea imo)

why should players spend hours on end building the perfect group when all they want to do is go and have a little fun there and then?

i just want to play with the character i started with, not with one that someone else wants.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Gorbash
why should people be restricted to what class they play because thats what a group wants rather than what the player wants?

why should groups be restricted by/depend on certain classes rather than individual players? (mythics fault for group-based effects - bad idea imo)

why should players spend hours on end building the perfect group when all they want to do is go and have a little fun there and then?

i just want to play with the character i started with, not with one that someone else wants.

well, since someone STARTED making dedicated well balanced groups, the others are more or less forced to follow or zerg, and most classes fit in a group tbh.

 

[Riddler]

Originally posted by Gorbash
why should people be restricted to what class they play because thats what a group wants rather than what the player wants?

why should groups be restricted by/depend on certain classes rather than individual players? (mythics fault for group-based effects - bad idea imo)

why should players spend hours on end building the perfect group when all they want to do is go and have a little fun there and then?

i just want to play with the character i started with, not with one that someone else wants.

stop dreaming, its daoc

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by old.m0000
that why you stealthzerg minstrels now then?

Heh, two NS isn't really a stealthzerg

Besides, what do you think you can do in emain with an unbuffed rr2 mincer? :>

 

[old.Rusfighter]

Originally posted by Gorbash
why should people be restricted to what class they play because thats what a group wants rather than what the player wants?

Its not about restrictions, its about GROUP. And if U want your GROUP to do something else than die u MUST think about right chars with right specs and RAs in it.

why should groups be restricted by/depend on certain classes rather than individual players? (mythics fault for group-based effects - bad idea imo)

All i can say here... Ask Mythyc

why should players spend hours on end building the perfect group when all they want to do is go and have a little fun there and then?

Shure i U wanna little fun like:
- ATK -> randomgroup -> AMG -> bindpoint
- ATK -> randomzerg -> AMG -> kill 1 balanced FG -> meet 1.5-2 balanced FG's (or antizerg PBAE group) -> bindpoint

go ahead waitin 4 your rps

And. Who talkin about hours? In primetime in regular RvR oriented guild U can build perfect group in about 10-20 minutes and run with that group 4 hours without any changes.

i just want to play with the character i started with, not with one that someone else wants.

Its up 2 U m8. But dont scream about overpowered AE stun, overpowered savages, overpowered endregen etc. atfer your 3 random FGs will be wiped by 1 balanced mid pbae sqad.

Best regards

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
Heh, two NS isn't really a stealthzerg

Besides, what do you think you can do with an unbuffed rr2 mincer? :>

 

[[BF]ilur]

Originally posted by kenshee-himura
imho the main reason is that albion lacks experienced sorcerers.

just tell me one thing ?? what can a 3s cast sorc do against for instance mid grps?
typical mid grp has 2 healers so:
2x insta mezz, 2x insta aoe mezz, 2x insta stun, 2x insta aoe stun

Just explain me how a sorc can beat that? unless u group like 5 sorcs in one group maybe one can excape mezz and not get 1h kill

agree with u when u say most of albs grps are random, and ye we owned much in 1 vs 1 fights as guild grps so it's possible allways to win hibs or mids on 1fg...

GL on your fights ^^

 

[cougar-]

Re: Re: RvR Any fun anymore???

Originally posted by [BF]ilur
just tell me one thing ?? what can a 3s cast sorc do against for instance mid grps?
typical mid grp has 2 healers so:
2x insta mezz, 2x insta aoe mezz, 2x insta stun, 2x insta aoe stun

Just explain me how a sorc can beat that? unless u group like 5 sorcs in one group maybe one can excape mezz and not get 1h kill

agree with u when u say most of albs grps are random, and ye we owned much in 1 vs 1 fights as guild grps so it's possible allways to win hibs or mids on 1fg...

GL on your fights ^^

maybe mezz from bolttrange, sorcs do it on prydwen very successfull, best mezz in game, you are excal albs tho so understand the problem.

 

[Arnor]

Re: Re: RvR Any fun anymore???

Originally posted by [BF]ilur
just tell me one thing ?? what can a 3s cast sorc do against for instance mid grps?
typical mid grp has 2 healers so:
2x insta mezz, 2x insta aoe mezz, 2x insta stun, 2x insta aoe stun

Just explain me how a sorc can beat that? unless u group like 5 sorcs in one group maybe one can excape mezz and not get 1h kill

agree with u when u say most of albs grps are random, and ye we owned much in 1 vs 1 fights as guild grps so it's possible allways to win hibs or mids on 1fg...

GL on your fights ^^

uke:

this is fucking sad, a soon rr6? member of a decent rvr guild trying to hint that sorcs are useless against mid groups

Shall I tell you how a sorc can beat that bitcho? By outmanouvering them and getting the jump on them, then you mezz em at bolt range which should be on ~1.5 sec casttime.

yeah, 5 sorcs will help alot, djeesus christ

ask stubbe how many instamezzes/stuns he has btw.

but hey, dont take my word for it, if it sucks so bad, delete and roll mid/hib

 

[heilel]

My main is a cleric, but didn't bother playing RvR until fairly recently, as I only hit lvl 50 last week.
Before that, even though I was still high lvl, I just had issues getting invited to a grp.

So, now there's one more Cleric in RvR anyway and Iøm getting plenty of invites.
I wish though grps would invite ppl less then lvl 50 more often, kind of a pain that you have to be lvl 50 if you want a decent chence of getting into a grp.

BTW, my Alt is a sorc, but only lvl 14 atm, but I'm getting there.

 

[old.Rusfighter]

Re: Re: RvR Any fun anymore???

Originally posted by [BF]ilur
just tell me one thing ?? what can a 3s cast sorc do against for instance mid grps?
typical mid grp has 2 healers so:
2x insta mezz, 2x insta aoe mezz, 2x insta stun, 2x insta aoe stun

Just explain me how a sorc can beat that? unless u group like 5 sorcs in one group maybe one can excape mezz and not get 1h kill

agree with u when u say most of albs grps are random, and ye we owned much in 1 vs 1 fights as guild grps so it's possible allways to win hibs or mids on 1fg...

GL on your fights ^^

1. Typical mid group has 2 healers... u r right here but only one of them PAC oriented (secondone augmend). So 1 AE instamez and 1 AE instastun
2. Alb got SoS... very nice CC counter.
3. Alb got BoF... your sorc after got mezzed can just w8 4 first tank/demezzer and do QC. U can even wait 4 second QC ready with BoF+tankonU+someluck without any healing.

Ask First Cohort of other Black Falcons members how do they counter mid groups. Think they got many things to say.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Sorcs have the BIG disadvantage of being a cloth wearer with a staff n low low hps class = the 1st enemy to be targeted n usual the 1st who die (and frustration starts to appear by this point).

I know some ppl who rolled a sorc to 50th n then got tired of being killed the 1st w/o getting rps even if his group won.... However there are a few sorcs who can cope with this issue n become top sorcs.


This may be a reason why Albion lacks in active sorcs (just port to emain n check by yourselves how many fgs leave tk w/o sorc, loads!!!. To be honest, a fg w/o sorc is a screwed group, most of Albion fgs roam w/o sorc n the vicious zerg circle starts here.......


PS: this reply made me think about how a sorc could last longer in a battle. Some stupid ideas came to my mind like: giving sorcs leather or studded armors, giving sorcs a little boost in their hps gained per level, giving sorcs sumkind of baseline damage absorb buff (to put their damage absorb ratio in line with the other realms main CC).......