Relic raid blabbers, begone :'(

[Remem]

well then your the only mid healer (well maybe not the only 1) i know, who can still run while getting slammed...getting styled...still manage to put distance between urself and ur attacker....still have time to heal...etc etc

and this aint the 1st time its happened...

as the saying goes....no smoke without fire

I wish i could :>

 

[Haroat]

theres lots of whining about 3rd party stuff being involved, would an alarm clock technically be a 3rd party item? as without it these mids woulda not have been up for the raid at the exact same time?

ere i heard /as and /send is 3rd party now!!!!!!! in alb all we use is /say

erm u can organise rr's through /send and /chat u know, just cos its alarm clock doesnt mean u have to change how its organised,

Prick imo.

 

[SethNaket]

Loooooooooooool mids have tried numerous prime time raids just to have them all ruined by cheats and spies and you give me that early morning crap ????
Albs are the ones who do the early raids in case you hadnt noticed !

What a clueless idiot you are. uke:

Clueless? Fine, show me where I said mids or hibs or albs do/do not do this? I'm not dividing people by their realm as you do, I divide them by what they do with the game. Some people (be they mid, hib or alb) cheat and they suck. Some people (mid, hib or alb) do morning raids and they are lameass wankers.

What I've said is that YOU (the people who tried this morning raid) are lame. YOU (the people who where on the morning raid and then whined about it being ruined) are the most pathetic people I've ever seen on DAOC boards.

Who gives a shit if they're albs or mids, they're pathetic all the same.

edit: since when did this become a pve thread? and btw, that stfu does apply to you seth.

About the same time you tossers started whining that your PvE raid got ruined (and that's all an alarmclock RR is, fighting NPCs = PvE), ie. since the first post of the thread.

 

[B0wnz]

a Very good screenshot Groborthir. Hope you post in on the Alb thread aswell as in daoc-europe so that they can realise what we are up against.

it has come to this now:

If you want to beat the Albs, get an account there and monitor things, like they do.

If you want to beat the Hibs, get a radar programme so you can see them too.

VERY SAD SITUATION !!! uke:

Vonwar
GM - DH/Pryd.

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we albs do? right...
hibs use radar? ha! back at u mid scum imo!
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the last 4 mid relic raids on alb i have been PM about it just as they pass MMG , nearyly always there , there was 1 time it wasnt . when a fg alb went to mpk to die got thru gates and saw a massive zerg , so ofc what else wud they think?

i think hibs twice have gotten passed albs and stolen relics w/o to much prob
the 1 due prime time w/o killing any guards i thought was amzing , hats off to em. when albs rr mids its very very hard to not be seen . we play it as soon as we hit mmg . u know of our raid, even if u didnt. theres always some 1 about who will see it.

i remember a long time ago now i set up a duel with my arms in HW at hmg vs a hib tank, he beat me . well he never killed me . but stoped and we rested. as we went to fight again he does an emote telling me to go to IRC, i go and in pm he tell me plz dont say nothing to ur realm but a relic force is about to pass under us . dont yell etc too. so i didnt , i did a /who hadr ingame and got 1 ( me ) and told the hib guy in irc , they was clear in hw unless albs are anon , hibs got to surs , just passing it . i got a pm ingame saying 100 hibs in pennies its a RR, i went back to irc and told the guy this . my bad yes but heh i wasnt to worryed , alot of relic raid just die to gaurds at this point in the game . at that point i msg my guild there was a hib RR, as i had been pmd ingame about it . i told the guy on irc that i had done it . he said its np, witch ofc it wudnt be . hibs didt get the relics as i said they died to guards b4 many albs got there . a friend og this hib came . a bard . dueled me . just wanted to die . 2 hit her ( i was pole spec at the time) then i duel the hib tank and lost again and he killed me end of our fight
not everyone tell there realm everything they see when maybe they shud do < shrug >, but if i was planing a duel i wudnt of been there, + hib wasnt really 100 . more like 50 so they needed all the help they cud get ^^
about the only time like that for me thats comes up.
there other cases of mids w8ing at the relic keep as they knew of our rr , and same with alb . 1 raid , last this 1? we knew mids were rring us 2 hours b4 they meet to port to HW, due to 1 of there own talking to his alb m8, unlike meh . he told everyone. guess it depends how much u want relics , how much u wanna win , or piss others off .
hey look at the hacker , his pissed loads off and thinks its funny.
going to get this ingame ( or out of game ) what ever u do , surely if irc counts, voice comms works the same way?
some times im on voice comms with a few ingame . but im not ingame, but playing something else . they call me to go play xx . whats to do that for a rr to tell m8s etx . just like saying on irc really imo , tho maybe not to so many ( sorry going on abit now as think i can rememeber or just pop in my head ) ... tho givf more like gombur on irc , his german sounds like his having a go at me .. he told me he was telling a story

 

[Classified]

Ask Foadon, Blejs, Appelsinjuice, Remeem, Bananplockaren (little side note: damn it felt nice to kill a rr8 BD using un-interruptable body debuff + lifetaps - eat some of your own medicine ) or whoever else from that BO group that was out there.. Did they or did they not think we knew already, way before "Doorr" went on IRC?

Either they're all pretty thick, or they must have suspected we knew. 14 people, non-opted, trying to take lvl 10 keeps while we knew a highish rr opted guild group was roaming.. And coming back.. And trying again..

Also the doors being repaired at Bold at 4:00ish should have been a sign. I've already said, I'm not proud of the IRC blabber. Especially since we could have done just as well without it.

Edit:

Just reread this:



It sounds like you don't realize that 2:30 -> we suspect rr. 3:00 -> we know for sure and go defence cg. 6:00 -> blabber on IRC. Only thing "Doorr" did was maybe get another 5-10 albs online. The rest was in full swing anyways.

Your so up your own arse and you cant even smell it. Shut the fuck up oh mighty one. GET THE MESSAGE WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR HINDSIGHT ANALYSIS and brags on beating BO. Fuck it I beat BO everyday. You can't beat LYNX bodyspray

 

[Remem]

Your so up your own arse and you cant even smell it. Shut the fuck up oh mighty one. GET THE MESSAGE WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR HINDSIGHT ANALYSIS and brags on beating BO. Fuck it I beat BO everyday. You can't beat LYNX bodyspray

Err doesnt sound to me like he said he was beatin BO cause we didnt lost to those 2fg ;o Banan died 1 of fights tho yes , and no wasnt fg BO opted BO grp

 

[Shike]

Your so up your own arse and you cant even smell it. Shut the fuck up oh mighty one. GET THE MESSAGE WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR HINDSIGHT ANALYSIS and brags on beating BO. Fuck it I beat BO everyday. You can't beat LYNX bodyspray

you dont happen to originate from Excal do you?

 

[Fluid]

ere i heard /as and /send is 3rd party now!!!!!!! in alb all we use is /say

erm u can organise rr's through /send and /chat u know, just cos its alarm clock doesnt mean u have to change how its organised,

Prick imo.

/as and /send are built in components of the game, an alarm clock is not. Maybe read and understand before you post. I don't even play the game anymore its just funny watching how easy some of you people get wound up. Alarm clock raids have always and will always be lame, so will relic raid blabbing.

 

[Cyfr]

GoA won't take IPs from external sources apparently, so the blabbers are free to ruin the game.

 

[Haroat]

as i said earilier seth, if u want rvr u go t owhere the enemy realms are, u dont go on rr's for rp's.

fluid. u might not play the game anymore but ive played it since release date. alarm clock raids are and allways have beeen a part of the game. im not saying theyre fair play. but they ARE the fastest best and easiest way to do a rr. alarm clock = no enemy realm players = no one to bother you except the guards. fastest and best

if u want rp's go to fucking emain and stay off the rk's.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

hehe all realms have done relic raids at early hours.

Albs took str relics one morning mid week at one point and gained no small advantage from the fact that the login servers went down preventing some Mids getting out to defend I seem to recall.

Hibs have done numerous efforts at various times while the dew is still wet.

The point is to attack when your enemy is weakest, so yeh, its maybe not the most honourable way to go get things, but I can't help but notice most people that stick to honour in this game do so only when it suits their purpose ie... after they've got relics.

I personally haven't been on a 5am or so raid the entire time I played DAoC. I'm undecided if I would if still playing, but to be quite blunt... its probably the only way for Mids to get relics from Albs as things stand at the moment. Between superior numbers at all times of day and constant leaks on IRC or other methods: sorry, it happens, nobody can even deny this - I didn't go on a single RR in over a year that didn't get trumpeted on IRC - it was always just a question of when. I'm not saying that IRC makes raids fail just because its IRC. However, it does make a helluva difference when you can call your friends from other games, other servers or perhaps just casually browsing to get them all to get their toons on and into the right place to defend and you can do it with a single line of text on a mass comms tool.

I think Fafnir's comment on being asked to aid the Alb defence via MSN pretty much sums up how ridiculous and out of hand the situation has got.

(Note I am not saying that in this case that IRC stopped the raid from succeeding. The Alb logic looks faulty, but the paranoia was obviously justified as there was indeed a relic attempt.)

The irony is that no matter how much you whine or complain or go on about IRC one simple fact remains:

Use of IRC to blow relic raids is acceptable to the people that run the DAoC servers in Europe, despite the fact that the information that goes out on there gets distributed to more than 1 realm and is therefore crossrealming as well as gamesmanship.

 

[Darkhawk]

lets all get back to reality here shall we just for a second..........while people playing DAoC use IRC to communicate with other people in other realms the danger of things being blabbed is high. The way i see it is there are only a few way to combat this....

1.) we as a community decide here and now that the use of IRC to communicate any information regarding another realm is illegal and will result in that person being banned from IRC and kicked from his/her guild. This means anything being said about any realm camping/raiding etc is not allowed even.

2.) Dont use IRC.

Now i know for a fact that i will be flammed for the above post but lets be honest this is the only way to avoid blabbers and if you use the excuse "why should i im not to blame" or " how will i talk to my mates" Well im afraid to say yes you are to blame...everytime you slag someone off on IRC that isnt in your realm for exp killing you in DF or for emoteing you while dead etc you are x-realming you are communicating and incident that shouldnt effect anyone except you and the person involved but due to IRC is now effecting all 3 realms. I dont use IRC and never will....but i have had PM from Albs stating "that xyz person has told me on IRC that you are a tosser for xzy reason" my reply to them is good. if you cant live without IRC while playing DAoC then im afraid you will have to put up with RR blabbers.

 

[Darzil]

I don't agree with the use of third party tools, and never have. I've never used IRC, and don't even have chat or messenger on my PC.

I agree that Mids are always going to have more trouble raiding than Albs. It's partly the result of numbers, but also greatly because of Geography. Many Albs just run straight up to Excal before heading anywhere else in their frontier. It'd be pretty rare, I would think, for many minutes to pass without any Albs visiting Excal. And it's Excal that the Mids are always after.

The Hibs, by contrast, want the power relics (when we have them), and will have a much easier time, as once through Hadrian's Wall and the top of the Pennines, it is unlikely they'll pass any Albs, even in pretty prime times.

The same may apply in the other Realms, but I've been on FAR more relic defences than raids, so am not really qualified to comment.

Darzil Siegecrafter
Order of the Knights Templar

 

[Haroat]

<<<agree's with darkhawk.... i dont use IRC often, and when i do its when i need to contact someone on mid that i cant find ingame. or when its patchday. imo daoc.prydwen shud dissapear... i dont think theres a real reason for it. HOWEVER i do believe that the 3 realms should have PASSWORDED channels that only GM's get the password to. someone get email addy of all gm's and the channel mod changes password every week and sends new one to all gm's.. imo that would work. BUT it is using a 3rd party tool so is against CoC. not sure bout the rules if its only 1 realm in the channel, im sure roo could clear that up for me

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

And I don't see anything amusing about the fact that there are stealthers in the frontiers.. You certainly have whined over it enough? Actually... thats pretty much all you do?

What I find amusing is that there is a stealther looking around in alb frontier at that hour. Same one that spotted RR last time too...

And why the fuck jump me? What have i ever done to you?

Your so called "stealther whine" that i only do...ever taken a minute to see what it is i "whine" at? What i "whine" at is realm balance. That my SB isnt able to compeat with the other assasins. That is what I whine at. Ive even been accused of faking a screenshot to show how silly the balance is.

 

[civy]

What I find amusing is that there is a stealther looking around in alb frontier at that hour. Same one that spotted RR last time too...

I was in odins and just about to log then Hurb fell so I went for a look.
Maybe if you paid attention to your own frontier you wouldn't have lost the relics when you did.

 

[InertiaSlave]

Your so up your own arse and you cant even smell it. Shut the fuck up oh mighty one. GET THE MESSAGE WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR HINDSIGHT ANALYSIS and brags on beating BO. Fuck it I beat BO everyday. You can't beat LYNX bodyspray

Firstly, I have already stated several times that BO litterally slaugthered us every single time we met. 4 big fights. Total alb casualties: all. Total mid casualties: 1 (or did you loose 2 that last fight? Not sure, I think Laird killed one of your tanks also). I was just pointing out that despite being wtfpwned and knowing relics were fooked probably, I enjoyed this one fight where I had my cabbie on instead of chasing an un-catchable Remeem around with pally whole fight.

Secondly, what hindsight analysis? I was there when it happened, and I'm saying what I saw. Nothing more.

Thirdly, you call me mighty one, but presume to speak for everyone here. I like the contradictionary duality of that

 

[Fafnir]

What I find amusing is that there is a stealther looking around in alb frontier at that hour. Same one that spotted RR last time too...

Think its my fault, she is stalking me. Everytime I see her, she hits on me, and finally goes down on the ground.

 

[Thundercat]

What I find amusing is that there is a stealther looking around in alb frontier at that hour. Same one that spotted RR last time too...

And why the fuck jump me? What have i ever done to you?

Your so called "stealther whine" that i only do...ever taken a minute to see what it is i "whine" at? What i "whine" at is realm balance. That my SB isnt able to compeat with the other assasins. That is what I whine at. Ive even been accused of faking a screenshot to show how silly the balance is.

And my Cleric isn't a match for a Healer... Do I cry about it every time I get killed? So your realm balance aganda is... well you can figure it out.

I don't think you have done anything to me... I don't know you in real life.

No hard feelings anyway and I hope Albions new infil TL will give SB's the top spot in Realm balace thingy again so you can one shot everyone that comes in your way like Infils do now :wub:

 

[InertiaSlave]

I like the one about dragonfang being changed to chain off pierce, if that ever happens, let's see what FotM merc spec will be. Damn silly looking HOs

 

[Kyra]

3) Some of you seem to claim that you got your RR suspicions from the fact that a BO group ran around ... Howcome? Up until the actual relic raid started, all we were doing was defending Surs which BO had claimed (nothing strange in defending a keep, is there?) and farming albs, like a normal RvR group does. We didn't take keeps, we didn't camp Sauvage to spy on alb activity, etc. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I just find it odd that you use this isolated coincidence as an indicament of a relic raid action ...

Because we are paranoid and love OUR relics. But seriously, you guys have been up to some rather shady things the past week and so ANY move that looks suspicious is seen as such and the hounds of war are called out. Anytime a rather well known guild takes a keep and has more than 1fg there, we are suspicious. I can't explain it but there was a different feeling this weekend. We all knew you would try for the relics so we were on alert, so to speak.

Maybe you haven't been on our server very long, but yes, (as others have said) Mids are well known for relic raiding before a big patch/add on, etc. Not that we blame you, we all want the upperhand and we all know that the relics give this. Until proven innocent, we just brand you guilty and watch you while you wander thru our forests until we see you sent home to Valhalla.

BTW, I'm not condoning IRC blabbing.. I think its bad when any side does it. But there is little we as a community can do about it ourselves. We can report the person and/or we can kick the offender out of their guild. Other than that, there isn't much we can do that will stop those people. Its up to GoA to start canceling these people. After all, it does break the Code. I personally do not use the daoc.prydwen irc channel, as I don't find it entertaining.

I could suggest we all hold hands and sing in harmony and drink Coke(Pepsi/whatever) and all promise to never use irc for evil deeds again. But that is a load of padfoot dung.

Until there is a definate punishment for abusing the system, whether it be irc/radar/whatever... it will go on. I do feel bad for you guys, you went all out to have a raid. That guy shouldn't have blabbed, but please understand, we were expecting you anyway.

Oh and btw GrivneKelmorian, I didn't know it was a crime to have our stealthers out watching for enemy movement. That's just smart tactics, which in fact we learned from you guys. Midgard is well known for having people watching for enemy movement. Its one of the reasons why it used to be that no sooner we got on a keep then at least 2fg of Mids would come out of nowhere and stop us. I'm not making this up, your realm leaders have confirmed (and are proud) this time and again. Its called tactics, not cheating. We have learned our lesson from being unobservant and complacent about enemy movement. Being on the offensive and stopping you at mmg is so much easier than having to run to Excal and try and defend the keep. As for getting killed, if you don't want to die, don't come into our frontier. Plain and simple.

 

[Casbardh]

stealthers..watching for enemy movement. That's just smart tactics, which in fact we learned from you guys.

Ah Mistress Kyra!

Be careful not to inflate their ego's anymore than they already are, for they may just burst like as many over ripe baboons...

I understand, that the Defenders of Albion actually hold the first documented strategy as regarding the strategic placement of pickets on the defensive and the offensive. I can pass the parchments to you for your perusal should you so wish.

Dont give the Barabarians any more credit than is due.

 

[InertiaSlave]

Offensive picket fences?

 

[Casbardh]

Offensive picket fences?

An idea perhaps!

But the gathering of information for forces isnt just a defensive operation...