Relic raid blabbers, begone :'(

[Tuppe]

can this be true?
mids show proof etc how albs use irc and suddenly whole thread, by albs offcourse, is how much mids cheat?
using all posible change to turn mainpoint other.

alb blab irc RR inc!!
that dont change anywhere, was this 1st time? no, 2nd? no, 20 time? maybe close.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Yep Conoor, I see what you're saying. Wasn't involved in any of this so can't comment on any part of what went on, just what I know of the official line on IRC usage from GOA.

Its up to people to draw their own conclusions.

 

[InertiaSlave]

the ones defending the retards that do spy/cheat/whatever (in all realms ofc) should be shot and shut out from the community.

I'm not defending this "Doorr" from IRC. I'm saying it didn't really matter that he said what he did, when he did it. Defense cg had been up and running for over 3 hours by that point. We knew. Not through spying. Not through IRC. As Conoor said, we smelled it (and good scouting confirmed it).

Reporting a relic raid after the actual start of it, as it seems to be the case here, is not considered as "fair play" but is tolerated

By this definition, "Doorr" was outside "fair play", but inside "tolerated" by more than 3 hours, given the fact that rr started when BO took Surs. Thus, it is wrong that he did it, but I don't think it made any difference. How many albs logged on to defend Excal because of the IRC message only, and how many of those were intrumental in beating the mid force on Excal doors? Not many, I recon.

Edit: Fixed a tag

 

[Marcus75]

Someone said the mids cheat too - Im more than sure they do but I still find it interesting that on the last 10 RR-defenses I've been on we have maybe gotten info about the force in motion towards the relic-keep once or twice, may it be from spies, irc, SBs or just FGs roaming, we still usually get the info about a RR when the force has actually arrived. That might mean that either we got so few people in Odins at all times that we rarely spot the force coming from there or that the ones that are there dosnt use IRC to spread the info through unallowed third party-programs like IRC-programs.

Then again it might be a diffrence in age - mids may have outgrown being the l33t kids that use IRC 24/7 while albs....*cough*...hum, well you get my point...

 

[InertiaSlave]

can this be true?
mids show proof etc how albs use irc and suddenly whole thread, by albs offcourse, is how much mids cheat?
using all posible change to turn mainpoint other.

alb blab irc RR inc!!
that dont change anywhere, was this 1st time? no, 2nd? no, 20 time? maybe close.

Please read whole thread before answering. I did say I was a hypocrite for saying Remeem lag warped on purpose, and that people are too quick to blame each other for cheating in the same thread

Also several albs have explained how we knew, when we knew, and how little this whole IRC thing made. It doesn't make it right, no, but it's not the reason you failed.

 

[InertiaSlave]

I still find it interesting that on the last 10 RR-defenses I've been on we have maybe gotten info about the force in motion towards the relic-keep once or twice, may it be from spies, irc, SBs or just FGs roaming, we still usually get the info about a RR when the force has actually arrived

When albs rr, we usually send out some stealthers ahead of us, then gather zone-crash sized force in apk, then zerg any keeps which the plan calls for us to take then/or straight to relic keep.

This attempt by mids was an elaborate setup designed to make sure they
1: Had a CS up.
2: Could take other keeps very quickly to reduce number of uber guards at Excal.
3: Would be at Excal before albs had a decent defense mounted.

We, in-game, not on IRC, spotted this somewhere between 1 and 2, giving us plenty of time to prepare. By the time it hit IRC it was old news.

I'm starting to get tired of explaining this

 

[Conoor]

Yep me to !

 

[Xeanor]

You're free to whine about it but my opinion is that it won't be of any use if mids have blabbers too.

 

[Krakatau]

Also several albs have explained how we knew, when we knew, and how little this whole IRC thing made. It doesn't make it right, no, but it's not the reason you failed.

This is the answer that usually pops up: "the IRC blabbing thing wasn't the key, The IRC blabbing didn't change anything, the IRC this the IRC that"...
Yada yada..

Just stop blabbing on IRC and be proud of beating down the rr forces in a way that no-one can accuse you of cheating...
As of now, even if you've spotted the rr force etc, it must be a victory that you can't be very proud of, since that moron blabbed about it a few hours before it was to happen

And sure, I bet some of you are so "skilled and trained in realm defence that you could smell it 3.5 hours before it was planned to happen etc etc"

Well, too bad for you, as long as those morons keep blabbing on IRC, your "skills" doesn't mean anything to me until you prove them in a fair RR defence whitout anyone blabbing about them

But nevermind the mids, ToA is incoming and soon WoW will hit the shops (hopefully), then you can have the game all by yourselves...

Try see it from a mid perspective for 30 seconds and leave out the whine about savages being overpowered as a standard replay ...

If every single RR is blabbed about, why should mids even try ?

Maybe it's time for mids to go on strike and not enter RvR territory for a week, then I assume all would be very happy and Malmo and Spindelhalla will be camped again

And hi Roo, nice to see you drop by *smile*

 

[XeffoInfil]

that really sucks, in my time in daoc thats the first incident of rr blabbing ive come to witness tho. and totally OT, whats your XP theme called Grob?

 

[Krait]

- we albs that smelled ...

Hmmm....where have I seen that written before....

 

[InertiaSlave]

Ask Foadon, Blejs, Appelsinjuice, Remeem, Bananplockaren (little side note: damn it felt nice to kill a rr8 BD using un-interruptable body debuff + lifetaps - eat some of your own medicine ) or whoever else from that BO group that was out there.. Did they or did they not think we knew already, way before "Doorr" went on IRC?

Either they're all pretty thick, or they must have suspected we knew. 14 people, non-opted, trying to take lvl 10 keeps while we knew a highish rr opted guild group was roaming.. And coming back.. And trying again..

Also the doors being repaired at Bold at 4:00ish should have been a sign. I've already said, I'm not proud of the IRC blabber. Especially since we could have done just as well without it.

Edit:

Just reread this:

As of now, even if you've spotted the rr force etc, it must be a victory that you can't be very proud of, since that moron blabbed about it a few hours before it was to happen

It sounds like you don't realize that 2:30 -> we suspect rr. 3:00 -> we know for sure and go defence cg. 6:00 -> blabber on IRC. Only thing "Doorr" did was maybe get another 5-10 albs online. The rest was in full swing anyways.

 

[Foadon]

just repaired the doors with your ram wood fyi
and it doesnt mean because YOU already knew about RR that the ppl, being few or many, on irc did, some must have logged in when they saw = blabbing

on the alarm clock raid thingie, 2fg + being mael and BO and some others prolly never logged, rvred from 12cet till all logged so

 

[Huntingtons]

I don't know what to say, really ... Even before a single of us had stepped out of MPK in Hadrian's, this was said on #daoc.prydwen:

http://groborthir.lir.dk/cheater.jpg

if it was out before you left mpk, how did the 2 keeps fell? by your magic touch? Oo

but yes its a shame to see it happen, though i dont read irc when i play usually, unless im on the pad and cant find any interesting to read anywhere else.

but im sick of mids QQ'ing about we're the only one who has ever done it, and all albs use osv.


get a grap and find the guilty imo :<

i'd like to add that Laird, who usually leads defends as with others, wouldnt by fire touch irc blabbers information X<

 

[Pudzy]

I didn't see that relic raid blabbing wanker tbh, and my guild isn't in an alliance, but one the keeps started getting claimed by Everlast and Mael, I went with my scout to the keeps, and to mpk, and there were alot alot of mids.

Can't blame rr blabbers all the time, admittedly they're *****, but every realms biggest names have done it, so threads like this have no value(no offence grob I know your defending ya realm m8), if GOA wanted to make a difference then start terminating blabbers acconts with the irc ss's. Also blame stealthers for not doing their job, rather that zerg emain 24/7, if something looks strange, take the time to check it out for yourself, and know the right people to inform, I enjoy playing in emain alot as of late, but I still know that my stealth advantage can count for alot.

 

[InertiaSlave]

Dunno what you mean about the ramwood (I know you repaired Hurb doors with it after you wiped us for the 4th time or so).. I'm talking about the outer door at Bold you took down to soften up the keep.. I think it was Cedar who took bold doors to 4/4 somewhere close to 4:00 - My point was if you'd noticed that, you'd have realized we were on to you at that point for sure.

And you're right. People who were on IRC, but not ingame, they found out when the blab was made (wonder how many that was anyways - and how many reacted on it).. Everyone who was ingame sure as hell knew a lot sooner than that. Me a bit, but especially Laird, had been PMing practically everyone online, plus asking them to spread the word. It was on most /as, and we got it on /br in key locations also.

Which makes me think.. The blabber probably got it either from our cg, a /as message, or a /br transmission. /shrug

 

[Damon_D]

mids doing relic raid at 5am and wajns about babblers.. whats next a savage wajning about pallys dmg output... stupid retards.

Get a clue retardo........

 

[blejs]

This was the info my group got from Murasaki while we were still in Emain:

1: Surs looks lvl 10.
2: 16 mids on Bold.
3: Door one down at Bold, mids leaving.
4: No guards killed.

This is wrong info.
Sure ofc we upgrade a keep,
But what u misstaking is this, that what if we would gone for DF?
and just wanna kill doors as much as possible.
And we did die from guards, and some guards was killed.

And also inter, what u suppose we should done?
We had grabbed 2 keeps, and u where going for keeps 3times wasnt it?
1 time surs, 1 time more going for hur, and last time between surs-that hok(?) dungeoon. Maybe we would just roam cause emain was dead and wanted albs out?

 

[Groborthir]

Please allow me to clarify a few things that my post was trying to point out and, just as important, what I'm not trying to point out.

1) I am not trying to say only albs cheat and spills RR details on IRC. I'm one of the, apparently few, who believe that you character and personal ethics aren't affected by the realm you play. I know some mids use radar, uses IRC for relic raid info, used to window drag, and so forth. And I know some hibs have done it aswell.

2) Regardless of what the outcome would have been, regardless of the fact that you realised there would be a relic raid in game, regardless of your hints, hunches, premonitions and suspicions of mids doing a relic raid, regardless of whatever, the information should NOT have been passed on in IRC even before we've set foot outside MPK! In my humble opinion, the outcome of the relic raid is so irrelevant in this matter, because the issue still remains; it shouldn't have been relayed to IRC. Because it will affect the relic raid in one way or another.

3) Some of you seem to claim that you got your RR suspicions from the fact that a BO group ran around ... Howcome? Up until the actual relic raid started, all we were doing was defending Surs which BO had claimed (nothing strange in defending a keep, is there?) and farming albs, like a normal RvR group does. We didn't take keeps, we didn't camp Sauvage to spy on alb activity, etc. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I just find it odd that you use this isolated coincidence as an indicament of a relic raid action ...

4) Those of you who seem to think that it's alright to blabber on IRC because we were doing an alarmclock raid seriously need to start using some other bodypart than their arse to think with. The only reason we did a raid this early was because of the last many failed relic raid attempts. Each and every one of those had failed due to the amount of albs being inside Excalibur every time we got there; so we figured our only chance to do a relic raid was to do it so early that the amount of albs would be at its lowest. Also that it has been blabbered on IRC during the prime time raids adds to this, so to try to avoid this problem we did it out of prime time. This relic raid was a raid of desperation, not mischevious and cynical planning to try to take the piss on your albs. Numerous failures to get the relics back combined with the general notion of poor moral in Prydwen's Midgard led us to this. Please have that in mente before you say shit like:

5 am rr now thats skillz

mids doing relic raid at 5am and wajns about babblers.. whats next a savage wajning about pallys dmg output... stupid retards.

(I especially like Z^^'s reply, what a friggin' retarded dimwit ...)

Anyway, those were my points. And I want to repeat that I didn't try to say that only albs do this. Of course you aren't.

Don't generalise about this,I doubt there are many albs that condone this kind of behaviour.

You're absolutely right.

Appelsinjuice seems to play pretty well

Damn right I do! \o/

whats your XP theme called Grob?

It's a visual style I run through StyleXP. Can't remember the name, though.

Remember, lots of wub and keep having fun playing!

 

[Z^^]

well relic raid babbling is wrong.. but moaning on ppl who try save relic raids due to some fucktardnoobs who relic raid 5am on irc ... Damn it you mids are really gimp on pryd...

 

[Downanael]

well relic raid babbling is wrong.. but moaning on ppl who try save relic raids due to some fucktardnoobs who relic raid 5am on irc ... Damn it you mids are really gimp on pryd...

You really should see doctor if you have that attitude for everyone.

 

[inqy]

do we know who this doorr is? someone must do.

name / shame / ban.

 

[Thundercat]

On another note, I find it amusing that albion has, no matter the time of day/night have a stealther out in hadrians wall/pennine mtns/whatever, so that can be blamed if RR is blabbed.

This case it was blabbed before raid so I dont understand how you can defend it. Shame on you and shame on the mofo that did this.

Yes it's a shame that it was said in IRC... I don't really understand why anyone chats in IRC and plays a game at the same time (like in the screenie)

And I don't see anything amusing about the fact that there are stealthers in the frontiers.. You certainly have whined over it enough? Actually... thats pretty much all you do?

 

[Nerwen]

Well, due to the state of the game i'm a quite rvr-inactive Paladina, but still I have done my fair share of relic-raids and rvr on different servers in all 3 realms. Everywhere you hear people accuse each other of spying, bubbling on IRC and cheating.
So much bitterness and even hate in all these posts. Seems sometimes that many people have lost their sense for a what DAoC is - a bloody game that is supposed to be fun. This is true for all 3 realm.
Maybe give it a thought or two. Don't do things that spoit the fun for others, because ultimativly it's your own fun you destroy.
So please stop all this bullshit and respect your opponents. They're more than RP cows, maniacs or just plain evil persons. This again is true for all realm and all servers.
Get back to playing a game ...

To this specific case i do not have much to say as I never would miss my sleep for some pixel relics. Just one thing maybe. When our guild keep Renaris was attacked early that evening and some time later Beno too we were discussing a possible RR from Midgard side. Not too easy to guess from all that primetime activity of Midgard (and you have my full respect for that /salute). As I said I wouldn't spend all night watching out for a possible RR, but I guess some people do. And taken all the people playing this game not only at daytime but also during the night (e.g. after a nightshift etc.), I personally don't find it so unrealistic that a scout is in hw - even if people with regular working hours may find it strange. So maybe try a different angle to review the whole thing.

Still someone has announced the RR on IRC. If this has been the reason for not succeding or not, i don't know. But it's lame as any other cheating etc. is.
A game is what players make out of it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Before i start to repeat myself I better stop now.

Have fun playing. See you ingame

Nerwen Alatariel, Templar of the church of Albion, Prydwen/Albion
Branwhen Feuerfee, Member of the Academy of Camelot, Prydwen/Albion
Lorim Anamoch, Assassin, Stonhenge/Hibernia
Asgerthi Grimsdottir, Eir's Hand, Logres/Midgard
Ulvhild Grimsdottir, Huntress, Logres/Midgard

 

[Groborthir]

Damn it you mids are really gimp on pryd...

LOL! Says the Excalibur alb?

 

[Elendar]

i'm pretty impressed someone just happened to walk by bold, a keep not on any normal route to get anywhere while we where attacking it

 

[Remem]

Hi BO! Thank you for letting Murasaki see you taking outer door of Bold down, then leave with no guards killed. Well done pwning our 1.8 random groups with lag warping (wd Remeem!) and keep guard help several times.

/sarcasm off

Tbh my group (mixed UP and Rose mostly) were in Odin's.. So empty.. Went Emain.. Had a bit of fun, shame we had to go mpk to get it.. Then comes Murasaki's report on /as. My group put 2 and 2 together, I made a fuss and PMed Laird (who took charge, thank you! /salute) and a few select others, and Conoor started a cg. This was at what, 2:30? 3:00? We had defense cg up already by then. And now you whine about some guy on IRC at 6:00? Why?

Anyways, putting aside the unethicalness (is that a word? ) of am relic raids, you did nice tactics mids. So did Murasaki, now twice the saviour of Excal afaik

Edit: I still don't understand it.. Appelsinjuice seems to play pretty well, why don't you trust him to disease/root tanks off you, instead of using window dragging Remeem? Practicing for ToA?

Err u stupid or smt? i always run fullscreen when drivin grp so window draggin is impossible for me lol u know that /face do makes u lag? And besides wasnt window draggin fixed last patch i ve red?

 

[Cami]

Damn it you mids are really gimp on pryd...

Now that made me laugh


Come on, you play alb/exc ? :kissit: :kissit: :kissit:

 

[Remem]

Conoor from Uranicus Phalanx here, well said Dystre and yes we knew you where going for a RR 3-4 hours before you actually did it.

Next time Bad Omen just dont be so obvius about it, we have been pokeing at eachother for along time now :kissit:

We had the jungle drums slamming long before our scout saw your RR force pass mmg, bad thing was we where only between 70 and 90 online all night that was why we only meet you with 1.8 group as dystre mentioned.

But thanks for a fun night and for giving us a few hours to get ready for the final snowdown at Excal <salutes>

PS. stop that windows dragging noncens, its getting tiresome.

Only =)? well we were 1fg and u were for sure 2fg+ with the stealth adds u had so cut it

 

[Z^^]

Now that made me laugh


Come on, you play alb/exc ? :kissit: :kissit: :kissit:

i've also played mid/exc and hib/pryd..