Relic raid blabbers, begone :'(

[SethNaket]

just wondering how do u think about taking the relic inside ur own realm so hibs cant get it? i see that as lame and VERY cowardly act.. not ur fault that ur the over populated realm but hibs and mids got to do something to make the balance switch to there side. and alarm clock raid is the answer.. sry albs but mids cant win vs guard + 50% more albs then there attacking force
so go go givf more alarm clock raids...erm on alb plz u need more savage dmg so stay away from power relics Oo

Huh?

I don't play alb. Stop assuming things and instead reply to what I said if you're gonna quote my post. Alarm clock raid is not the answer to anything, it's the lamest thing you can do. If you want to fight NPCs go play on Gaheris. Doing an alarmclock raid is pathetic - whining about an alarmclock raid being "ruined" is beyond comic. Personally I've already saved this thread in my archive dir so in the future, I will always have something to laugh at when I want to think back at the "daoc days"

 

[Haroat]

Relic blabber on irc is lame. 5am Relic Raid is worse.

If it was any decent RR attempt you'd get some sympathy but not for this, as it is it's just the lesser of two evil. Stop crying and try a real RR instead. If that gets blabbered too I say hang the wanker but as long as you try it at those times you deserve to get blabbered on over and over.



He's rr10 on mid/exc you dumbass, he already finished the game on easy mode. Not his fault you guys suck so much you you can't win on easy mode and have to try 5am pve raids and still fail.

edit: since when did this become a pve thread? and btw, that stfu does apply to you seth.



sorry but, if u want a large scale war then organise one in emain. if u want to complete your objective and get the relics back, easiest way beyond a shadow of a doubt is a early relic raid. its not lame, theres nothing in the CoC or any GOA / Mythic rules that says early morning rr is not "fair play". so imo all u ppl that are talking about morning rr's being lame shud stfu and go play the game more. realise that u dont go on a rr to get rp's if u want rp's then go where the action is. RR'S ARE NOT FOR LARGE SCALE WARS THEY ARE FOR GETTING RELICS i say again the easiest way is a morning rr...

 

[InertiaSlave]

This post might get kinda long.. Sorry in advance.

This is wrong info.
Sure ofc we upgrade a keep,
But what u misstaking is this, that what if we would gone for DF?
and just wanna kill doors as much as possible.
And we did die from guards, and some guards was killed.

And also inter, what u suppose we should done?
We had grabbed 2 keeps, and u where going for keeps 3times wasnt it?
1 time surs, 1 time more going for hur, and last time between surs-that hok(?) dungeoon. Maybe we would just roam cause emain was dead and wanted albs out?

1: You already had DF.
2: You didn't just upgrade, you spawned Corpse Summoner.
3: Yes we tried to retake 3 times. First Surs, then you killed us near Surs while we were headed for Hurb, then on Hurb when we came in from Snow Fort. We knew it was pointless trying to retake with you guys out there, you can pwn us random low rr group np in open field, fighting you near a high lvl keep is stupid of us. We did it to keep you busy and distract you from doors being repaired and upgraded so the keeps you had made soft were hard again when time for raid came.
4: I know Emain was dead, that's why we went to alb and let you farm us.

What would I have done? Firstly, I would have told Grimnur's Guard or what they're called, not to take and claim Hurb. That way, you would have looked like you were just taking DF when you took Surs, and also, 1 keep down looks less suspicious than 2.
Secondly, I would bring hunters with TS along. Find our stealthers and kill them before they see anything important.
Thirdly, maby choose a less obvious time. Last friday before big patch.. Hm.

Stuff.

Please stop giving albs a bad name.

Err u stupid or smt? i always run fullscreen when drivin grp so window draggin is impossible for me lol u know that /face do makes u lag? And besides wasnt window draggin fixed last patch i ve red?

Nope lethul i didnt lag strafe either :>
Thing was just that auger ran his speed as all healers do and its no wonder u cant catch me when u cant even manage to put me in combat mode. Try use sprint next time idiots

I'm sorry. I'm such a noob for not knowing what the cheats are called, how they work ect, since I really don't see why I should know. I don't use em.
I mean the one where you run faster than me even though I hit you, use taunt shout on you, and sprint with end regen on, despite me not being diseased, snared or rooted. I'm pretty sure I would know if mids had access to SoS now tbh.

Either you don't remember the fight we had between Surs and Snowdonia border, or I dunno what the hell is wrong.
I slammed you. Hit you a few times. Stopped styling and pressed sprint. Stun broke. You ran.
Ok, stick is slow, so I can accept that you got a head start on me, just far enough that I couldn't hit you. But then you start getting further away from me. I taunt shout to break speed.. And it has no effect.
I check my end, check the flashing sprint icon, check if I'm affected by anything that slows my movement, see you still getting further from me. Then you stop, cast 1 spread heal, and run again after I hit you 1 time. This happens several times until Appelsinjuice manages to disease me (and root not long after).
Again, I don't know all the different ways to cheat, but this looked like one. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, for being such a noob about cheating. But until I hear a reasonable explanation for what happened instead of this "get skillz or foad" crap, I'm calling you a cheat.

Only =)? well we were 1fg and u were for sure 2fg+ with the stealth adds u had so cut it

We were 6-7 in my group for most of the night (until people started logging on in the morning). I'm not sure about other group (the one that was mainly PL people). Any stealthers you saw were part of the groups (omg stealther in grp wtf noobs!) - We were very much non-opted. My group had 3 pallys fgs.

The last fight at Hurb my group was 4 people, other group was 6 I think, and Murasaki was there too (ok, guess that counts as a stealther add hehe).

Relic blabber on irc is lame. 5am Relic Raid is worse.

Disagree. Using IRC to relay ingame events is against the rules. Am relic raids are merely sneaky, cowardish, and/or desperate (the latter being the case here).

Nowhere is it being defended.

Mids failed a RR attempt, some are trying to blame that failure on the blabber (who, I add, needs shooting), when clearly some very experienced albs put 2 and 2 together.

Of course, theres the minority of people using this post as an oppertunity to flame.

I'm not defending blabbering either. It's against the rules. I wish it hadn't happened. As I already said, we knew, by purely in-game means, by 3:00. We had defence cg up by then. We would have done just as well with no blabber in IRC.

This is what I'm trying to say:

The guy who talked on IRC puts alb to shame and should be punished.

But he is not to blame for this relic raid failing.

Blame Ramzes, for being the reason most of my group was still online when it started. Blame Murasaki for seeing what he did, and reporting it. Blame me for PMing Laird. Blame Laird for raising hell and taking charge. Blame Conoor for starting the cg. Blame everyone who got to Excal to help. Blame Dotbot for his damn deathspam if you must (I blame him for not being in my group so I got a share of the rp tbh =p ).

I hope I've made my point now and won't have to explain again..

IRC blabber = bad thing .

IRC blabber != relic raid failed.

So you think its ok to blabber even if mids would have failed?

He just said whoever did it needs to be shot, so I believe the answer to your question is: No.

well Thanes do break mez so much it could be argued...

\o/

I do hope I've made my points clear.. Otherwise I'll have to come back and post even longer reply to explain Oo

 

[Downanael]

Blabed RR's=Even more early/late raids.

 

[Morchaoron]

ban blabbers from irc its the only thing you can do about it im afraid

although i dont like this blabbing either there are a few things:

1. if someone blabbers you always blame that for failing the raid
2. if a scout spots a mid RR force and albs set up an ambush you whine about alb spy accounts in mid and about how unlikely it is you were spotted (for example: the pbae ambush in HoC)
3. and IF it happens that we lose more then 1 keep and albs start taking them back with a big force you whine about zerging

unless you bash all 3 doors down without us noticing we are always automatically the 'lamers' no matter what happens

 

[Downanael]

we are always automatically the 'lamers' no matter what happens

You starting to evolve my Albwan

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

For those skimming the thread, you might want to skim back to the post I made about GOA's official stance on IRC.

This next bit is from GOA to myself, and I told them in advance I wanted clarification so it could be shared with other players. Here it is again, for those that missed it:

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Reporting a relic raid BEFORE it even started is what we call spying and this is not tolerated. If this happens in game, we investigate as much as possible to find the spies in both realms and take actions. If this happen in IRC or other outside of the game communication tools, the investigations are of course much harder since we cannot consider anything from outside the game as facts. In any case, NO, this is not tolerated and is a clear breach of the CoC (even though the CoC does not apply to IRC and the like).
- Reporting a relic raid after the actual start of it, as it seems to be the case here, is not considered as "fair play" but is tolerated."

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The last part refers to a raid a couple of weeks ago, not yesterday's morning RR.

You are free to use IRC as much as you want, pretty much in any way you want, so long as you don't report the raid before it happens.

I personally consider it against the CoC because the info that gets posted on there more often than not is made available to more than one realm, making it also a cross-realming issue instead of just a question of moral fairness.

But as you can see above. You can use IRC as much as you like, and you are not cheating, even though it can be considered gamesmanship. Therefore also anyone who calls a relic raid blabber a cheat is also wrong.

IRC Blabbers are all honourable men

 

[Morchaoron]

You starting to evolve my Albwan

that means you admit you always blame others for your failures? ^^

 

[Remem]

Would be cool if you could stop namin ppls you THINK cheat like that. I did for sure not cheat and i m too bad at comps to even install a cheat program lol so.

 

[Derric]

correct, far from every alb is this bad xD

but the ones defending the retards that do spy/cheat/whatever (in all realms ofc) should be shot and shut out from the community.

Asking people from another realm if they got the relic,during a raid in progress ain't much better tbh.

Session Start: Wed Dec 31 02:09:50 2003
Session Ident: Grivne
Session Ident: Grivne (~Grivne@hXXXnXflsXXoXX.telia.com)
(02:09:51) —› query with (Grivne)
(02:09:52) (Grivne) du har relic va? ;p

 

[InertiaSlave]

Would be cool if you could stop namin ppls you THINK cheat like that. I did for sure not cheat and i m too bad at comps to even install a cheat program lol so.

I said I was sorry if I was wrong. It looked like a cheat from where I was sitting though. And I've seen or heard nothing to prove me wrong. But will shut up about it now since the discussion is pointless.

If you're not cheating: I'm sorry.

If you are: Pfft - Just under 2FG randoms + you had orange/red keep guard to help you

 

[nuky]

ban blabbers from irc its the only thing you can do about it im afraid

although i dont like this blabbing either there are a few things:

1. if someone blabbers you always blame that for failing the raid
2. if a scout spots a mid RR force and albs set up an ambush you whine about alb spy accounts in mid and about how unlikely it is you were spotted (for example: the pbae ambush in HoC)

once or twice would be fine, when it happens EVERY single time, it gets a bit suspiscious, while albs skipped across to our relics keeps several times, un-noticed, in a much busier zone.

 

[NeonBlue]

Would be cool if you could stop namin ppls you THINK cheat like that. I did for sure not cheat and i m too bad at comps to even install a cheat program lol so.

well then your the only mid healer (well maybe not the only 1) i know, who can still run while getting slammed...getting styled...still manage to put distance between urself and ur attacker....still have time to heal...etc etc

and this aint the 1st time its happened...

as the saying goes....no smoke without fire

 

[Downanael]

that means you admit you always blame others for your failures? ^^

Yup

 

[blejs]

This post might get kinda long.. Sorry in advance.



1: You already had DF.
2: You didn't just upgrade, you spawned Corpse Summoner.
3: Yes we tried to retake 3 times. First Surs, then you killed us near Surs while we were headed for Hurb, then on Hurb when we came in from Snow Fort. We knew it was pointless trying to retake with you guys out there, you can pwn us random low rr group np in open field, fighting you near a high lvl keep is stupid of us. We did it to keep you busy and distract you from doors being repaired and upgraded so the keeps you had made soft were hard again when time for raid came.
4: I know Emain was dead, that's why we went to alb and let you farm us.

What would I have done? Firstly, I would have told Grimnur's Guard or what they're called, not to take and claim Hurb. That way, you would have looked like you were just taking DF when you took Surs, and also, 1 keep down looks less suspicious than 2.
Secondly, I would bring hunters with TS along. Find our stealthers and kill them before they see anything important.
Thirdly, maby choose a less obvious time. Last friday before big patch.. Hm.

didnt just upgrade, spawned? the CS comes up when the keep is level 10 i think? Was like that before atleast.
I agree abit we should have left bold maybe, but thing is this if we were going for DF, we would either suicide asap or try take door down also.
But yeah i suppose was very suspicious.
About the TS thing, i thought we did have that..
Dunno if we didnt.

 

[Araudry]

Asking people from another realm if they got the relic,during a raid in progress ain't much better tbh.

Session Start: Wed Dec 31 02:09:50 2003
Session Ident: Grivne
Session Ident: Grivne (~Grivne@hXXXnXflsXXoXX.telia.com)
(02:09:51) —› query with (Grivne)
(02:09:52) (Grivne) du har relic va? ;p

rofl

didnt just upgrade, spawned? the CS comes up when the keep is level 10 i think? Was like that before atleast.
I agree abit we should have left bold maybe, but thing is this if we were going for DF, we would either suicide asap or try take door down also.
But yeah i suppose was very suspicious.
About the TS thing, i thought we did have that..
Dunno if we didnt.

u already had DF without any of our keeps.. still dont explain why u took alb keep since u had DF

 

[Fluid]

theres lots of whining about 3rd party stuff being involved, would an alarm clock technically be a 3rd party item? as without it these mids woulda not have been up for the raid at the exact same time?

 

[Eroa]

theres lots of whining about 3rd party stuff being involved, would an alarm clock technically be a 3rd party item? as without it these mids woulda not have been up for the raid at the exact same time?

Alarm clock is 3rd party imo

 

[Ulrych]

So you think its ok to blabber even if mids would have failed? It is never ok to use programs outside the game to warn people about whats goin on ingame. Hell I even got a msg on msn about 6 months ago about mids goin on an rr. And the guy thought i was an alb

Fafnir, please re-read my post, especially the first line.
How you managed to interperate my post as defence of blabbing I do not know.
Anyone that supports blabbing shouldn't be playing DAOC.

 

[Aenir]

Relic blabber on irc is lame. 5am Relic Raid is worse.

If it was any decent RR attempt you'd get some sympathy but not for this, as it is it's just the lesser of two evil. Stop crying and try a real RR instead. If that gets blabbered too I say hang the wanker but as long as you try it at those times you deserve to get blabbered on over and over.



He's rr10 on mid/exc you dumbass, he already finished the game on easy mode. Not his fault you guys suck so much you you can't win on easy mode and have to try 5am pve raids and still fail.

Loooooooooooool mids have tried numerous prime time raids just to have them all ruined by cheats and spies and you give me that early morning crap ????
Albs are the ones who do the early raids in case you hadnt noticed !

What a clueless idiot you are. uke:

 

[Derric]

Loooooooooooool mids have tried numerous prime time raids just to have them all ruined by cheats and spies and you give me that early morning crap ????
Albs are the ones who do the early raids in case you hadnt noticed !

All ruined by cheats and spies?I know at least 2 raids that has been spotted early and reported to various alliances in alb,but afterwards some mids immediately had to blame their loss on cheats/blabbers.
Sure,raids have been ruined by blab on IRC,and that sucks of course,but what is worse is that it has become an excuse for losing every time,some mids just don't want to believe that their carefully planned raids can actually be spotted.

 

[nuky]

All ruined by cheats and spies?I know at least 2 raids that has been spotted early and reported to various alliances in alb,but afterwards some mids immediately had to blame their loss on cheats/blabbers.
Sure,raids have been ruined by blab on IRC,and that sucks of course,but what is worse is that it has become an excuse for losing every time,some mids just don't want to believe that their carefully planned raids can actually be spotted.

think every RR i was on in the last 3/4 months came on up IRC at some point (if not all, very nearly all). and supposedly we were spotted early on pretty much all of them. i had been running around solo for hours before hand on one of them and saw no albs though. its the amount of times albs conveniently spot us just as we leave or whatever, while u guys are so good / lucky u never get spotted and nothin comes up on IRC on ur raids.

 

[Seline]

Is sad that things like this happen Have sort of skimmed through half of this thread and unfortunatly not much can be done about the Relic raid blabber peoples :x I can ban 'em from IRC but by the time they have said something incriminating, the damage has already been done, so the only way is prevention, I doubt anyone can convince them to stop doing it. They must know it's wrong and therefore must enjoy it which is pretty sad. :/

 

[Derric]

think every RR i was on in the last 3/4 months came on up IRC at some point (if not all, very nearly all). and supposedly we were spotted early on pretty much all of them. i had been running around solo for hours before hand on one of them and saw no albs though. its the amount of times albs conveniently spot us just as we leave or whatever, while u guys are so good / lucky u never get spotted and nothin comes up on IRC on ur raids.

For example:The raid where you went through Marfach Caverns was spotted quite early.
We heard on alliance chat that there were 10fg mids leaving mpk,so our group headed to hib relic keep to have a look,didn't see anything,so sent a message to GoP,telling them about it.
Afterwards there was whining on BW and in IRC what a bunch of cheating bastards albs was.
I'm not saying that there's never been any blab,nor am I defending it in any way,I'm just saying that people shouldn't blame cheating as a first option.

 

[remi]

u already had DF without any of our keeps.. still dont explain why u took alb keep since u had DF

erm? hibs had DF even when mids have take hurb+surs.

get a clue.

 

[Fafnir]

get a clue.

Thats like asking a cat to bark like a dog.

 

[Umilard]

Relic blabbing over irc will continue, simple becouse it's accepted to share cross-realm information in #daoc.prydwen.. Doesn't go many minutes without a "OMG LOL @ <insert realm> CAMPING <insert milegate> in <insert area> ATM".. And i don't see those people getting kicked, nor warned. I've said it before, and i'll say it again.. ban everyone that gives out information over irc, maybe it will scare some people from blabbing.

And afaik, people that are known relicblabbers are still welcome in the channel.. Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't blejsarus, the former leader of one of midgårds biggest guilds blab on atleast 2 relicraids?

Is it really that weird that people do it when there is no form of punishment at all for it (except getting a bad reputation)?

 

[Aran Thule]

Thats like asking a cat to bark like a dog.

Easy, pour petrol over it and light a match... WOOF!

 

[Araudry]

erm? hibs had DF even when mids have take hurb+surs.

get a clue.

lies :<
u always have df and u still have df now i bet

 

[Elorelen Hearthunter]

and having people xrealming is fair play?...doesnt matter if we do Prime time rr
or alarm clock raid..somehow it feels like we get spotted too early..too often

Get a nice decent force, herbal knows where hes talknig about, his raid let us to 3 shiny relics at 8pm orsomething, U just need to have nice tactics and an army