Red = Dead

[Cromcruaich]

Well said kagato and censi.

 

[swords]

If its Red... make it bread.

 

[liloe]

Well tbh, Sharpness is a known lamer anyways, so rather than changing the policy to full add I changed mine to simply add on Sharpness whenever I can =)

 

[Maeloch]

So much for the golden future, I can't even start
I've had every promise broken, there's anger in my heart
you don't know what it's like, you don't have a clue
if you did you'd find yourselves doing the same thing too!

Breaking the law, breaking the law!
Breaking the law, breaking the law!
Breaking the law, breaking the law!
Breaking the law, breaking the law!

Der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der....

I love that song .

 

[Craparoni]

So much for the golden future, I can't even start
I've had every promise broken, there's anger in my heart
you don't know what it's like, you don't have a clue
if you did you'd find yourselves doing the same thing too!

Breaking the law, breaking the law!
Breaking the law, breaking the law!
Breaking the law, breaking the law!
Breaking the law, breaking the law!

Der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der der....

I love that song .

Judas Priest roxxors

 

[Cromcruaich]

Am I an adder? Yes I suppose I am, does my guild add? Yes I suppose it does.
We have always had the same playstyle since the formation of SH way way back in the day. SH is a large guild with, Last night for instance nearly 30 ppl online so we must be doing something right?

I would just like to say that we all play this game in whatever style we choose and that neither game style is better or righter than the other.

A point i would like to make is that when we kill Soloer X, and get said person logg onto mid and pm abuse or send abuse via IRC realmer they tend to forget running in their full group adding on everything in sight and that they suddenly DEMAND your respect when they solo... Why should we? when you know they will just go straight back to ganking once they get bored of soloing.

To name a few that spring to mind.. Arumos (adds on everything when playing caster), Faril (he used to leave ppl alone ages ago.. now he adds on everything), Censi (Stealthzerged his way to 9L5 then soloed), Mastarde (same again adds on everything when conventional)
Ive seen many of the above happily mow down soloers when running in a fg.

Im not perfect I agree, but then neither are some of the high and mighty who preach solo playstyle.

I can remember being zerged constantly by high RR alb stealthers (3-1, 4-1)back in OF when I was running solo on Thornea .. Those Alb stealthers are now considered to be highly respectable soloers but if I return the compliment they gave me?? well Im an adding zerging scum arnt I?

We do leave ppl alone - You know who you are, and try to leave solo fights to finish b4 we kill enemy involved (unless hes a particularily despised enemy hehe)

What im saying again is that no playstyle is better than another, its the diversity of the game with all differing playstyles that make it fun be you a hardcore soloer, ganker, 8v8er, doorstepper etc. DAOC is a great game, with great enemies (yes im gutted when ppl like dafft, jarvio decide to hang up the gloves as they have been great enemies/nemisis's over the years) and great friends alike.

I salute you all

Ps. none of the above was meant in a flame type fasion, just stating the obvious from as an impartial view as possible (im sure its gonna be pointed out that its not though )

Some good points. However the core problem (and this is a general point rather than a specific response to you) is that outlooks and playstyles that mean you or your group adds on fights, be they 8v8 or 1v1 completely obliterates the playstyles of those that wish to play 8v8 or 1v1.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Well tbh, Sharpness is a known lamer anyways, so rather than changing the policy to full add I changed mine to simply add on Sharpness whenever I can =)

Sharpness tries to solo around and have fun everytime he logs. Comments like that detray what u really r.

 

[Nuklear]

If GOA / Mythic wanted this to be a 1 vs 1 game they would have allready implemented a solo area and also taken away the ability to group.

They have not implimented any 1 vs 1 area, duel arena or nothing, after 4 years so maybe they think 1 vs 1 is not the way to go.

 

[Thornea]

Some good points. However the core problem (and this is a general point rather than a specific response to you) is that outlooks and playstyles that mean you or your group adds on fights, be they 8v8 or 1v1 completely obliterates the playstyles of those that wish to play 8v8 or 1v1.

In an ideal world of set rules I would agree with you, but in a game based on Realm V Realm (not 1V1 or 8V8) its anything goes until mythic introduce new rules/game mechanics.

That being said my personal view on the matter is that any Solo or 8V8 areas/groups/clubs etc made by likeminded people/gamers are off limits for me (and the majority of SH unless they want to participate on the rules set)
and I will always respect those areas on one condition.. that they are in a proper out of the way area (agramon is fine).

Dueling areas on Bled,Beno bridges are not a good idea tbh

What im saying here is that I respect other peoples playstyles BUT my own playstyle/gaming time comes 1st in my mind, and that I wouldnt go out of my way to travel to any 1v1 / 8v8 areas that were located in a proper (off the beaten track) area deliberately to ruin it.

 

[Bowyer]

Gr8 posts by thornea, cuts to the bone of the hypocritical self proclaimed "soloers" who i see adding on and killing low rr's all the time. Play how you want imo and just enjoy the game. The game is many things to many people, not one style can be dictated to others. Get on with it and as yer daddy says stop moaning/whining like babies

 

[Nuxtobatns]

u know something peeps...discusions over discusions over some stuff. Maybe we should just keep it simple : K.F.D.

 

[Bowyer]

u know something peeps...discusions over discusions over some stuff. Maybe we should just keep it simple : K.F.D.

exactly

 

[Bonehead]

If its there and its red you can guarantee i will add unless its Theodon/Yrendan/Graendal/Duzic/Shatterhand/Phibes.

You forgot me, m8!

 

[pip]

Well was a poll not so long ago folk vote for let solo be, think we should respect it tbh

 

[Aran Thule]

Some good points. However the core problem (and this is a general point rather than a specific response to you) is that outlooks and playstyles that mean you or your group adds on fights, be they 8v8 or 1v1 completely obliterates the playstyles of those that wish to play 8v8 or 1v1.

Thing is that a lot of the people that try to stand on the moral high ground and dictate there way of playing are hypocrites. (i will not add except on..., i want fair fights but i kill small groups, ect)
How does it 'completely obliterate' the playstyle of thoose wanting 8v8 or 1v1, does them 'adding' on a fight blow up your computer or delete your character?
you could turn that around and say that people in the same realm not adding 'completely obiterates' someones playstyle
everyones playstyle is differant, you will get clashes but everyone should accept that people play for differant reasons.

Everyone will play how they want and you cannot dictate a way of playing.
If there is a general agreement then most people will respect that, however there is no way for it to be enforced.
So at present for example most people agree that agramon is to be used as a full group area without 'adding'
So what is the problem if elsewhere people join in on fights?

 

[Ging]

its not a case of solo or grp respect. Thing that annoys me the most is when im "being" respectful to an ongoing fight to then get raped because i didnt act in a way that is often termed "dishonerable". This has occured many times in both solo and grp encounters. if anything makes me wanna go on a rampage of zerging/adding/xp'er killing its people not playing by the codes of honour that are ment to prevail throught the rvr fraternity.

Always make me chuckle when i get added on by an "honerable" player and then when i ask why they did this heinus act its because "your a member of synergy" some other bullshit excuse.

If people want to add on any fights im in then fine, and just say because your rps horney or just basically a sadistic fucker who gets his kicks out generally being a complete **** - if/when i add thats why i do it. Just admit to yoruself that your an arsehole and your not actually perfect and stop making excuses for your actions. plain old honesty is a good thing, even if people dont like to hear it.

Q. Why did you do that?
A. I dont like to loose.

much better

 

[bigchief]

After last nights 'duel' with Maxitis where he was guarded and healed by Sharpness I have decided enough is enough. No more soloing. Its red its dead.

Finally learnt that soloers are too few and far between. Zefs 1 time soloer now a renowned adder is a prime example of how some 1 time soloers are now resorting to other means to kill there opponent so as such I will no longer stand and watch a duel. If its there and its red you can guarantee i will add unless its Theodon/Yrendan/Graendal/Duzic/Shatterhand/Phibes. Everyone else are just part time soloers imo and as such will be added on.

Have fun.

it might be me but I thought this was your attitude anyway? Only seen you 3 times I think, One you added on me fighting 4 hibs, one you ran in to add on me and aha doing a 2v2 vs spinesprout and eden (thats a rr9+rr8 inf vs a rr10 ranger + rr9 ns), last one you got pa'd by me and aha duoing (with 3 rangers 10 feet away who joined in instantly - we figured pa'ing you was the better option than having you add again )

I'm not sure if you call that honourable soloing, I really don't I've solo'd most of my rps as im sure you have (im not debating that, ive hardly ever seen you so can't really comment either way), but I still rarely add. its got to be certain people for it to happen, tho i do sometimes add to make up the numbers ... 3 ppl vs 1 etc, i might join in on one of the 3 to try and help out.

There are plenty of soloers left in this game, as censi said. If you really want to stick to your game play you can. I do 90% of the time still. There are times when its just impossible to solo, so i'll group with a friend and duo, or i'll log. Zerging and chain adding just isn't fun for me. Its the same for lots of people ... its entirely the opposite for others. Thats part of the game, you have to live with it. Frustrating at times? Yes, of course it is. But give in and you're no "better" than the people who are pissing you off anyway and you just join the ranks of 'zzzzzzzzzzz blah blah blah added again'. Too many of them already in my opinion, especially with this shite irvr crap.

Most fun i've had in weeks was playing during the day on Tuesday (i was off work cos i was ill). Plenty of soloers or low rr duo's, plenty of people willing to respect a 1v1 fight. And fyi, I don't just jump people I know I will beat. I'll happily jump a stealther trio/quad just for the chance to kill one of them 4v1. I'll attack a pure tank time after time, even if they hand my ass to me each time, just to try and work out a way to win (hi Shedevil ). For me its part of the challenge of playing a solo character. If I expected to win each time I'd find 7 mates and go to the solo places as a group of 8.

Thats not fun tho

 

[anioal]

...

nice post indeed and yes, i feel great joy when i'm zerged by SH or by their alb counterparts. But prolly i deserve it because... erm... cant think of any reason beside the red name tag, but that should be fair reason.

release, rebuff and go to some other place or /quit. both are valid options but i find myself pickin up the second one more often lately.

PS. i'm aware of the 3rd option (aka group up), but i tried it and the odd alb/mid soloer payed the price and i didnt really liked that.

 

[kolomparas]

Well tbh, Sharpness is a known lamer anyways, so rather than changing the policy to full add I changed mine to simply add on Sharpness whenever I can =)

btw who are u and did i do sth to u to say such things ?and i didn't heal maxitis believe or not...btw never added to a 1vs1(at least i don'tremember adding to any soloer of those who i know) fight and i have only run in small grps 3-4 times cause i wanted to play instead of logging...and s/s valks were having a hard time to beat anyone before this patch..

 

[Reignfire]

it might be me but I thought this was your attitude anyway? Only seen you 3 times I think, One you added on me fighting 4 hibs, one you ran in to add on me and aha doing a 2v2 vs spinesprout and eden (thats a rr9+rr8 inf vs a rr10 ranger + rr9 ns), last one you got pa'd by me and aha duoing (with 3 rangers 10 feet away who joined in instantly - we figured pa'ing you was the better option than having you add again )

I'm not sure if you call that honourable soloing, I really don't I've solo'd most of my rps as im sure you have (im not debating that, ive hardly ever seen you so can't really comment either way), but I still rarely add. its got to be certain people for it to happen, tho i do sometimes add to make up the numbers ... 3 ppl vs 1 etc, i might join in on one of the 3 to try and help out.

There are plenty of soloers left in this game, as censi said. If you really want to stick to your game play you can. I do 90% of the time still. There are times when its just impossible to solo, so i'll group with a friend and duo, or i'll log. Zerging and chain adding just isn't fun for me. Its the same for lots of people ... its entirely the opposite for others. Thats part of the game, you have to live with it. Frustrating at times? Yes, of course it is. But give in and you're no "better" than the people who are pissing you off anyway and you just join the ranks of 'zzzzzzzzzzz blah blah blah added again'. Too many of them already in my opinion, especially with this shite irvr crap.

(

The reason why I added on you BigCheif is if you remember that same day at Bled after i killed a couple of Hunters you Attacked me when i was at 50% healing up (I still killed you) and as for Aha he has been adding on me since day one .. them 2 things in essence is enough for me to kill you 2 on sight... If you dont remember the Bled incident i am sure that can be clarified by Solari. People that truly solo knows that I never used to add until people add on me.

 

[censi]

Stealthzerged his way to 9L5 then soloed

fuck me its gone up 5L's since last time!

 

[Razemouze]

Well said Bigchief!

I also solo 90, if not 95% of my online time. I dont add and i dont zerg. Its usually me running around the zerg, trying to find soloers willing to fight me. With no luck ofcourse.

I dont think a 1on1 area would be good tbh it would just ruin what daoc is all about really. But still its friggin boring to get zerged and zerged, over and over again when running solo. Lately i havnt been on as much as i usually am because of the adding. It simply isnt fun to waste 3 hours of precious time to get 8k arpees.

Just my two cents!

 

[liloe]

btw who are u and did i do sth to u to say such things ?and i didn't heal maxitis believe or not...btw never added to a 1vs1(at least i don'tremember adding to any soloer of those who i know) fight and i have only run in small grps 3-4 times cause i wanted to play instead of logging...and s/s valks were having a hard time to beat anyone before this patch..

Well you see, running your group of 3ppl and killing every soloer that shows up isn't nice at all to start with, but everybody has their playstyle (and there weren't 10 soloers in one place, was more like casually people coming by).

But then coming again 30mins later to solo just makes my day tbh and no, I will not leave a solo fight with that person. I'd rather have my personal little revenge instead. You didn't only overrun me though, was also some guildies who tried to solo and found your grp in "Lolz Arpees" mode.

I don't hold grudges against people though (well ok, maybe with one or two exceptions, but you're not part of them =)) ), so hey, leave me alone when running a small group and I'll be nice aswell, that's a fair deal imho.

Oh and btw, I'm Anarael the elven blademistress.

 

[>.< Pooned]

yep everyones thought this. whats the point being nice and not adding if im just gonna get shafted.

well, nightsend, you reeled off a list of nice honorable players there. I could prolly add another 20 names to that list within a minute of thinking about it and maybe get upto somewhere in the region of 50 names if i really thought about it hard.

What does this tell you????

That although a huge majority in this game play like assholes, theres a small minority that despite this carry on playing the game in a selfless way that centres on fun and giving respect to opponents.

If "everyone" in this gamed played like assholes, then the decision to become one of these assholes would be easy..... but as long as you at least have one person in this game who still plays with respect, then you have a choice of what catagory you wanna fall into (an asshole or a respectfull player).

So you have choisen to become an asshole on the grounds that the majority are assholes. If you understand my arguement here you realise that if you take that path you might as well just quit. You wont have fun playing, you will get hated, and if you headless chicken add sooner or later you will be shafting one of the good guys (who you just never gave the chance to show u he was a good guy).....

The saving grace for this situation your in, is that pretty much all daoc players say this to themselves when they have had a bad nights RVR and they are generally pissed off.... The fact that you are even telling the "community" that your "going bad" so to speak means that you have been trying in your eyes to play good... so stick with it and forget about the assholes. in daoc as in IRL we all get a limited shelf life or innings, its important that no matter what you spend you time doing you try and be nice. that goes for daoc too.

forget the morons that say its a comp game, im a casual player, I dont take it too seriously, it doesnt say we are not supposed to add.... these are the players that take it so seriously they devorce themselves from the competative fun side of the game all in favour of griefing other players over a virtual number. nothing casual about that, and at the end of the day it just makes the game crap and we all loose.

Ill try to be an asshole but ill never reach u so i quit trying sometimes xd

 

[kolomparas]

Well you see, running your group of 3ppl and killing every soloer that shows up isn't nice at all to start with, but everybody has their playstyle (and there weren't 10 soloers in one place, was more like casually people coming by).

But then coming again 30mins later to solo just makes my day tbh and no, I will not leave a solo fight with that person. I'd rather have my personal little revenge instead. You didn't only overrun me though, was also some guildies who tried to solo and found your grp in "Lolz Arpees" mode.

I don't hold grudges against people though (well ok, maybe with one or two exceptions, but you're not part of them =)) ), so hey, leave me alone when running a small group and I'll be nice aswell, that's a fair deal imho.

Oh and btw, I'm Anarael the elven blademistress.

i only log to play solo(that's why my rm is inactive)but sometimes things get really bad(but u still want to play)so u have to do sth and cause u are pissed off u do things that u wouldn't do elseway...anyways tactic will be changed so as to keep myself calm and away from shit playing meaning if there is no place for soloing i'll just log and have fun with sth else
thx for explaining ur first post..

 

[DeadOnArrival]

The Game has lost its plot

This game has lost its plot when the new rvr system came into play. It has had so many Knock-On affects that the games players have had to adapt to the changing society of the realms. Soloers cannot have decent fights due to adds leeching valuable realm points for hitting somone with only 1 shot.

The higher realm rank people cannot expect to go solo imo as the lower realm ranks are getting massive increases in realm points for killing a high rr player that it isnt fair for the higher rr person at all. This encourages groups to merge and as such i Joined TZ with the Marsh Hore Guild to counterattack the stealth zergs. There are a great many players out there who i know solo and i will continue to respect but for many out there i have to agree with the originator of this post....

IF they are RED...they are DEAD!!

Perhaps this is what the GM's wanted to happen as there was soo much love out there pre-RVR point system Patch. Well they have got what they wished for...its a WAR out THERE!!

 

[Agrigo]

because the goat king told you?

For the glory and honor of the Goat!

 

[Muylaetrix]

KILL EM ALL !!! (unless they look very cute and helpless)

We are scanning the scene
in the city tonight
We are looking for you
to start up a fight
There is an evil feeling
in our brains
But it is nothing new
you know it drives us insane

Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths
Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy

There is no escape
and that is for sure
This is the end we won't take any more
Say goodbye
to the world you live in
You have always been taking
but now you're giving

Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths
Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy

Our brains are on fire
with the feeling to kill
And it will not go away
until our dreams are fulfilled
There is only one thing
on our minds
Don't try running away
`cause you're the one we will find

Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths
Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy

 

[mikke]

I never add, and i feel good about it!

 

[brad]

Always make me chuckle when i get added on by an "honerable" player and then when i ask why they did this heinus act its because "your a member of synergy" some other bullshit excuse.

LOL wonder why? Apart from your grp buff strips every soloer and runs of after the /laugh spam that they get, wonder why people add on you lol.

Even the people that don't add on your fgvfg that you get with your old guild grp, you still did the same to everyone. I remeber playing warrior and on many occasions i would run pass, maybe give a /wave to the people fighting, once the fight had finished i would pan me camera to see the fg chasing me so they could buff strip.