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[old.user4556]

You keep on deluding yourself with that.

 

[dysfunction]

I will and you keep deluding otherwise.

 

[old.user4556]

There's your problem right there, you're as deluded as my sister is, she doesn't step up and admit responsibility that her tantrum ridden devil children are because she simply doesn't manage it properly. My other sister instilled excellent discipline and her kids are as good as gold - sure they whine if they're tired but tantrums are extremely rare.

 

[dysfunction]

Yes but they still have or had tantrums!

Read up on children and the ages they have tantrums. You can be the most perfect parent on the world and a child will suddenly out of the blue melt down.

I hope you have your own kids one day and maybe then you will understand.

Living it through others children is just bulshit talk.

 

[old.user4556]

Ahh, the "you don't have kids so you have no opinion" approach. I'll give you her phone number and you can wallow in one another's "you'll never understand!" pity.

 

[dysfunction]

I'm not saying you can't have an opinion. Don't put words in my mouth.

Having experience first hand of something is quite different to having an opinion.

Other peoples kids can drive me mental and wish they would reign them in.

Please give me her number then I can gloat on here to @Trem!

 

[old.user4556]

That's pretty much exactly what you said mate.

 

[dysfunction]

That's pretty much exactly what you said mate.

Here read this

Temper tantrums - Pregnancy and baby guide - NHS Choices

 

[Tom]

You keep on deluding yourself with that.

You may be correct in general, but I can tell you that on an individual basis you may be very wrong. A mate of mine had a kid that was the most whingey crying little sod you can imagine. His missus was a nanny (a bloody good one too) and he's a very level-headed no-nonsense bloke. Thankfully their lad grew out of it, but they're two very good parents who just couldn't stop him when he wanted to be a little sod. It wasn't their fault, it's just the way he was, and from what I gather he's now a good teenage lad doing the usual teenage things.

 

[Moriath]

You may be correct in general, but I can tell you that on an individual basis you may be very wrong. A mate of mine had a kid that was the most whingey crying little sod you can imagine. His missus was a nanny (a bloody good one too) and he's a very level-headed no-nonsense bloke. Thankfully their lad grew out of it, but they're two very good parents who just couldn't stop him when he wanted to be a little sod. It wasn't their fault, it's just the way he was, and from what I gather he's now a good teenage lad doing the usual teenage things.

Like smoking dope and fucking girls. Drinking cider. Lol

 

[TdC]

Dropping a molten cheese toastie on my bare foot cheese side down

 

[DaGaffer]

Inb4 - OMG Breastfeeding in public lol?

Parenting 101 - If your kid starts throwing a tantrum for what ever reason, you ignore them, you carry on with your business.

Doing what you suggested - Leaving the shop until they calm down is possibly the worst thing you can do, they learn they can throw a tantrum, and you'll leave the shop - exactly what they want you to do.

John Lewis was absolutely correct to apologise, they completely undermined the parents.

This is true for a four year old but actually not true for a 16 month old, who has a rudimentary understanding of cause and effect at best.

But 16 month old kids cry, and being a dick about it doesn't help anyone.

 

[DaGaffer]

Tell that to the parents of autistic kids - they will disagree with that completely.

Edge case. Next.

 

[Raven]

This is true for a four year old but actually not true for a 16 month old, who has a rudimentary understanding of cause and effect at best.

But 16 month old kids cry, and being a dick about it doesn't help anyone.

So what is wrong with taking them somewhere quiet to calm them down, or feed them or whatever the fuck it is they want? Why annoy other people with your little cherub? Its worse in pubs and restaurants, people go there to relax, not listen to a baby cry while the childs gormless mother just sits there.

Having a baby is a life choice, why people think its OK for that life choice to ruin other peoples meals, drinks out, shopping visits, whatever is beyond me. I like to walk around the house starkers sometimes, that doesn't mean I think its acceptable to do the same in public.

I will concede that children just cry for no reason, one of the many reasons I cannot stand them but that is no excuse to force others to put up with it.

 

[DaGaffer]

So what is wrong with taking them somewhere quiet to calm them down, or feed them or whatever the fuck it is they want? Why annoy other people with your little cherub? Its worse in pubs and restaurants, people go there to relax, not listen to a baby cry while the childs gormless mother just sits there.

Having a baby is a life choice, why people think its OK for that life choice to ruin other peoples meals, drinks out, shopping visits, whatever is beyond me. I like to walk around the house starkers sometimes, that doesn't mean I think its acceptable to do the same in public.

I will concede that children just cry for no reason, one of the many reasons I cannot stand them but that is no excuse to force others to put up with it.

Once again, we have no context. How long had the child been crying? 1 minute? An hour? Without knowing that we can't tell whether the response of the mother or John Lewis was logical. But, with a toddler, you also have very little option sometimes other than to take them shopping with you, and yes, they will cry, and since we're human beings that have children, get the fuck over it. There's a different argument to be had when its older kids, but not babies.

 

[Raven]

Mmmm. Fascinating.

Its still annoying, and preventable.

 

[TdC]

As a human who chooses to not have kids, I don't really see why I should be affected by humans who choose otherwise. Most of my adult life I have been inconvenienced by people who use their childeren as magical shields and/or guilt-trip me if I tell them to fuck off. Because kids. I never get a free pass because no-kids. That said, I actually kind of like kids. It's the fucking brain-dead parents some of them have I can't stand -.-

 

[Ormorof]

On the restaurant front, if you go to a restaurant with a kids menu there might be kids going to the restaurant (so deal with it)

 

[TdC]

for myself I choose to go to restaurants that are child-unfriendly, or at later times. not because I dislike childeren per-se (see my post above) but because my friends can't relax and be themselves if their kids are about.

 

[DaGaffer]

As a human who chooses to not have kids, I don't really see why I should be affected by humans who choose otherwise. Most of my adult life I have been inconvenienced by people who use their childeren as magical shields and/or guilt-trip me if I tell them to fuck off. Because kids. I never get a free pass because no-kids. That said, I actually kind of like kids. It's the fucking brain-dead parents some of them have I can't stand -.-

A free pass to what exactly? What free pass do you want because you chose not to have kids?

 

[TdC]

Edit: don't twist my words: I didn't say *I* wanted a free pass. As a high income single guy with no kids, I lead a more or less idyllic life.

Hmm couple of things really: I sometimes note that parents use their kids as excuses to cut lines or get other forms of privileged treatments. I have sometimes been blocked or barged aside by people with prams and flamed if I dare to make a comment. In NL working society, parents get an unwritten preferential treatment for holidays which means I have a hard time taking leave at certain periods of the year that overlap school holidays. Recently a colleague was complaining to me about his commute duration meaning he wasn't home in time to see his kids before they went to bed. I got a blank look from him when I mentioned I also liked to be home on time.

 

[Bodhi]

Restaurants and shopping centres I can just about cope with other people's screaming spawn - babies on long haul flights however, just no. A very good way to ensure everyone on the flight hates you, whilst the baby is going on a holiday it will spend most of the time crying and shitting itself, and won't remember anyway.

The stay at home mums on Facebook who claim to have the hardest job in the world wind me up as well, but they are much easier to ignore. I suspect a few Ice Road Truckers, Nuclear Physicists, Traders, Lawyers, etc etc might disagree too.

 

[DaGaffer]

Edit: don't twist my words: I didn't say *I* wanted a free pass. As a high income single guy with no kids, I lead a more or less idyllic life.

I'll let that pass, but it looks like a Freudian slip to me.

Hmm couple of things really: I sometimes note that parents use their kids as excuses to cut lines or get other forms of privileged treatments. I have sometimes been blocked or barged aside by people with prams and flamed if I dare to make a comment.

Can't say it's ever happened to me except in the sense that a process has been built in to do it (e.g. boarding aircraft), which actually makes sense for everyone. If someone cut in front of me due to ownership of a pram I'd tell them to fuck off and I wouldn't expect special treatment because I have kids; parents need to plan better. My missus might chance her arm though, but that's not because she's a parent its because she's a cheeky fucker who gets away with murder (I go all British and hide in the corner).

In NL working society, parents get an unwritten preferential treatment for holidays which means I have a hard time taking leave at certain periods of the year that overlap school holidays. Recently a colleague was complaining to me about his commute duration meaning he wasn't home in time to see his kids before they went to bed. I got a blank look from him when I mentioned I also liked to be home on time.

This is the inevitable function of school holidays and the fact that you're not allowed by law to take your kids out of school during term time. Do you think they all want to book holidays at the most expensive time of year?

As for the commute comment; yeah, you'd get the fish eye from me as well; you get to see your kids grow up once and for fathers that usually means about 20 minutes a day; which frankly the childless would spend those 20 minutes scratching their arse watching Coronation Street eating their ready meal for one. Let's just say your response lacked empathy. (To be honest I'd never even discuss that with someone who didn't have kids; I just get my coat and take work home with me if I have to).

 

[TdC]

Can't say it's ever happened to me except in the sense that a process has been built in to do it (e.g. boarding aircraft), which actually makes sense for everyone. If someone cut in front of me due to ownership of a pram I'd tell them to fuck off and I wouldn't expect special treatment because I have kids; parents need to plan better. My missus might chance her arm though, but that's not because she's a parent its because she's a cheeky fucker who gets away with murder (I go all British and hide in the corner).

I did tell them to fuck off. Then I got shat on by others in the queue calling me insensitive, and the guilt trip treatment by the woman doing the -in this case- queue jumping. I'm actually kind of sensitive (in my own way I'll have you know) and I can be swayed if I am confronted with argument points that I personally agree with. In this case I am pre-programmed to Do The Right Thing (tm), aka allow the inconvenienced woman to cut in front. I just don't enjoy people having the expectation that they will get their way.

This is the inevitable function of school holidays and the fact that you're not allowed by law to take your kids out of school during term time. Do you think they all want to book holidays at the most expensive time of year?

You don't have to spin things again, I know full well that expensive season/seasons often coincide with school holidays. In this case it's not how bad I feel for others having to pay through the nose (market forces are a bitch, eh?), but the fact that -especially during summer- I can't get days off to lounge about in the sun with my childless, bachelor mates ogling girls and swilling rosé wine just because I don't have kids.

As for the commute comment; yeah, you'd get the fish eye from me as well; you get to see your kids grow up once and for fathers that usually means about 20 minutes a day; which frankly the childless would spend those 20 minutes scratching their arse watching Coronation Street eating their ready meal for one. Let's just say your response lacked empathy. (To be honest I'd never even discuss that with someone who didn't have kids; I just get my coat and take work home with me if I have to).

Tough titties. It's work. You likely signed a contract to do it. When you did that you probably considered possible outcomes of your life. Like having kids you'd occasionally like to see. Call me out for lack of empathy all you like, but I personally value my special 20 minutes scratching my arse watching Coronation Street quite a lot and I get all cranky if I miss it because I...ohh I dunno, had to do some work, or the trains were late or whatever. I equate the time I get to spend as I see fit to anyone else's, kids or not.

 

[Raven]

You have to make sacrifices if you want children, if that means a change of career or at least a change of work/home life balance then so be it. Because you personally choose to have children you certainly shouldn't be given, or expect preferential treatment over others.

My wife and I have made the decision not to have children. For similar reasons to TDC but why should we not be treated the same as people who have made the decision to have them? (Not that I have ever felt that I have been treated differently)

That being said, if I was to run around people's tables in the pub garden screaming then I would soon be told to fuck off.

 

[DaGaffer]

I did tell them to fuck off. Then I got shat on by others in the queue calling me insensitive, and the guilt trip treatment by the woman doing the -in this case- queue jumping. I'm actually kind of sensitive (in my own way I'll have you know) and I can be swayed if I am confronted with argument points that I personally agree with. In this case I am pre-programmed to Do The Right Thing (tm), aka allow the inconvenienced woman to cut in front. I just don't enjoy people having the expectation that they will get their way.

I don't have context here but unless said woman had a full blown medical emergency going on and she needed to buy bandages stat; I've have stuck to my guns. But I'm a right cunt about that kind of thing.

You don't have to spin things again, I know full well that expensive season/seasons often coincide with school holidays. In this case it's not how bad I feel for others having to pay through the nose (market forces are a bitch, eh?), but the fact that -especially during summer- I can't get days off to lounge about in the sun with my childless, bachelor mates ogling girls and swilling rosé wine just because I don't have kids.

That's not spinning things; its objective reality. Neither you or the parents actually want that set up but its the only one that exists. You can hardly call it "preferential treatment for holidays", when in reality its "preferential treatment for holidays in a six week window". Frankly, when I was a non-parent I never went near holidays in July-Aug anyway exactly because I had the freedom to go any other time of the year for a lot less (all of June and September for example).

Tough titties. It's work. You likely signed a contract to do it. When you did that you probably considered possible outcomes of your life. Like having kids you'd occasionally like to see. Call me out for lack of empathy all you like, but I personally value my special 20 minutes scratching my arse watching Coronation Street quite a lot and I get all cranky if I miss it because I...ohh I dunno, had to do some work, or the trains were late or whatever. I equate the time I get to spend as I see fit to anyone else's, kids or not.

And this is why I don't have this kind of conversation. He wasn't expecting you to do anything about it, he was expecting your polite acknowledgement of his situation. For parents this is the equivalent of talking about the weather.

 

[TdC]

I don't have context here but unless said woman had a full blown medical emergency going on and she needed to buy bandages stat; I've have stuck to my guns. But I'm a right cunt about that kind of thing.

I guess I did the British thing, inasmuch as I let her cut in front and will bear a grudge till the end of time.

That's not spinning things; its objective reality. Neither you or the parents actually want that set up but its the only one that exists. You can hardly call it "preferential treatment for holidays", when in reality its "preferential treatment for holidays in a six week window". Frankly, when I was a non-parent I never went near holidays in July-Aug anyway exactly because I had the freedom to go any other time of the year for a lot less (all of June and September for example).

I don't agree, as you asked me if I think parents enjoy booking time off and taking holidays in the high season. There's quite a difference between what I feel objectively re the parents and what I feel subjectively, re my own wishes. For me it's not the point when I would most enjoy a holiday, it's the fact that during summer and autumn season I'm generally stuck in an office when the weather is finally bearable.

And this is why I don't have this kind of conversation. He wasn't expecting you to do anything about it, he was expecting your polite acknowledgement of his situation. For parents this is the equivalent of talking about the weather.

Yeah, I realize this. That said, what @Raven said tbh.

 

[Moriath]

Like getting free money from the government just cause you decided to have kids. Getting time off paid cause you decide to have kids one person to look after them sure but this second persons extra time off is pants. Getting priority parking places cause you havd kids.

There are a lot of benefits that you get given if you have kids that those who chose not to dont get. Imo if you decide to have kids you should budget for it rather than etting tax payers to give your money as well.

*ducks*.

 

[DaGaffer]

Like getting free money from the government just cause you decided to have kids. Getting time off paid cause you decide to have kids one person to look after them sure but this second persons extra time off is pants. Getting priority parking places cause you havd kids.

There are a lot of benefits that you get given if you have kids that those who chose not to dont get. Imo if you decide to have kids you should budget for it rather than etting tax payers to give your money as well.

*ducks*.

Yeah, all those fucking short people going off to get free education from the government just for being young. Fuckers. All those people in hospitals getting free bedbaths and food as well. Freeloading bastards.

 

[Bodhi]

I'm starting to suspect I know what @Big G's real job is:

Little bastard immune to good parenting

C'mon G own up - you write for the Mash don't you?