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[Moriath]

So they knew the rules and ignored them. Or perhaps they weren't aware of them. Have you ever heard anyone successfully say in court "but I didn't know it was illegal?!" No, of course not.



Of course they will, perhaps not for that crime but they'll get him later. People like this don't just steal once and say "oops, made a big mistake there, better turn my life around!"



I think you'll find that police chases are only generally performed by highly trained officers. That's why they don't shoot tyres, or perform PIT manoeuvres. They try and brings chases to a safe conclusion, and if said chase becomes too dangerous, they'll back off and let them go.

Lives > stuff.

We dont know all the ins and outs. Usually if its a high speed pursuit the officers involved need to request authority to continue after initiation. They do that after describing the conditions etc to the control room inspector. I dont know how long into the pursuit the accident happened. Or if all protocols were followed.

 

[Scouse]

In a world where you can say if there was no IPCC then the police would go back to being racist bullies I can speculate on how traffic officers will react to having criminal charges bought for doing their jobs.

But "doing their jobs" may have meant not chasing a kid for petty theft.

If they're too dumb to follow their rules then they shouldn't be cops. Period.

Their job isnt to let him go. Their job is to decide how best to aprehend him. Which in this case their choice was a bad one.

Their job is to follow the clear rules that they're given. In @soze's example they may have disregarded those rules resulting in the death of a child.

An investigation is warranted - nothing more, nothing less:

IPCC Commissioner Jennifer Izekor said: “We have gathered sufficient evidence in this investigation to determine that criminal offences may have been committed by the police officers involved in this pursuit in relation to the standard of their driving...

...The investigation does not mean criminal charges will follow, the IPCC said.

If you don't think an investigation is warranted when a member of the public has died during interaction with officials of the state then I'm very very glad that you're not in any sort of position of power.

Once again, police get investigated in this manner because it has been repeatedly proven that without this sort of stuff hanging over them that many turn criminal themselves.

So yes, it sucks that police have to be treated like this - but it sucks even more for the public when they're not.

 

[Scouse]

Lives > stuff.

This.

 

[Moriath]

But "doing their jobs" may have meant not chasing a kid for petty theft.

If they're too dumb to follow their rules then they shouldn't be cops. Period.


Their job is to follow the clear rules that they're given. In @soze's example they may have disregarded those rules resulting in the death of a child.

An investigation is warranted - nothing more, nothing less:



If you don't think an investigation is warranted when a member of the public has died during interaction with officials of the state then I'm very very glad that you're not in any sort of position of power.

Once again, police get investigated in this manner because it has been repeatedly proven that without this sort of stuff hanging over them that many turn criminal themselves.

So yes, it sucks that police have to be treated like this - but it sucks even more for the public when they're not.

Never said an investigation didnt need to happen. It should and does happen on any death in custody or as a result of police action as well as any complaint raised.

Which should happen.

Not in this case or any case involving death. Just in general i think scrotes get away with too much cause police have to follow rules that are too strict.

As an aside. When ever i have had cause to interact with the police in their professional manner i found being polite you are usually treated in the same way back.

 

[Tom]

Back to the good old days eh, where the coppers would take the local scrotes around the back and give them a good old kicking? When all WPCs were "up for it" and black PCs were coconuts, etc? When the rozzers would turn a blind eye to big Ron's activities because he donated to the Christmas fund?

Good stuff.

/s

 

[Scouse]

Yep, them rules getting in the way eh?

Makes you wonder why they were introduced? It's not as if average humans, when exposed to the worst of humanity day-in, day-out, would ever stoop to their level. I mean, the minute you pin a badge on a human you turn him into a magical animal called a copper, who always does the right thing in the face of adversity.

 

[Raven]

And blacks are all thieves I suppose?

 

[Scouse]

And blacks are all thieves I suppose?

For a start, that's a poor analogy. Secondly, and more importantly, who's using that word?

Are you disputing that her majesties constabulary has had huge problems with corruption in the past which has been improved in recent years by the imposition of various oversights?

 

[Moriath]

Hehe you guys lke taking thngs to the extreme.

I mean when a cop was allowed to give a kid a twat round the ear for scrumping. So they developed respect for authority.

Also that the offenders were more respectful, caught me ok gov good job.

Not caught me roll around on the floor call harassment and all.

Like the rules go only one way for the innocent. They dont. Each claim needs to be looked into. But a criminal suing some one for hitting them hile breaking into a persons house. Thats fucked up.

Also votes for prisoners. They lost their right to social interaction.

Btw my mum was a copper too. And no bringing sexual harrassement into this has nothing to do with the discussion.

We are talking police vs public not internal police procedure.

Jesus. I mean the cid used to get the uniforms to push their cars out of ditches after they got pissed at lunch times.

Be sensible. And raven that wasnt the majority of police.

 

[Scouse]

I mean when a cop was allowed to give a kid a twat round the ear.

Jesus. I mean the cid used to get the uniforms to push their cars out of ditches after they got pissed at lunch times.

Yep. Good times.



Oh wait. No. This is exactly why you're wrong. Thanks for making the argument for me.

 

[Gwadien]

The world has changed since your Dad was a cop, and for the better.

The biggest irony of it all is that the way we treat (and so we fucking should) is more like the American constitution than anything.

Which was signed in 1787.

 

[Moriath]

I didnt mean that cid was a good thing. Or the treatment of women. You took it the wrong way.

There are things that were good. Giving a kid a thick ear. And things that were bad . The pissed cops

But we have legislated too much to protect the offenders over prosecuting them. In my opinion.

 

[Gwadien]

I didnt mean that cid was a good thing. Or the treatment of women. You took it the wrong way.

There are things that were good. Giving a kid a thick ear. And things that were bad . The pissed cops

But we have legislated too much to protect the offenders over prosecuting them. In my opinion.

You're absolutely right.

If your mrs is misbehaving, you should be able to give her a black eye too.

Maybe you should go to Saudi Arabia, they're still living in the 60s, or past that.

Sometimes when I hear people say 'Oh, back in the day, the teacher would smack you with a ruler, it was so good' I feel sorry for those people, because I believe they've had a shit up bringing and just want the current generation to suffer the same.

 

[Moriath]

My dad was last a cop in 1995. He died in 2001

 

[Moriath]

You're absolutely right.

If your mrs is misbehaving, you should be able to give her a black eye too.

Maybe you should go to Saudi Arabia, they're still living in the 60s, or past that.

Sometimes when I hear people say 'Oh, back in the day, the teacher would smack you with a ruler, it was so good' I feel sorry for those people, because I believe they've had a shit up bringing and just want the current generation to suffer the same.

No way did i extend cilvil rights to criminal.

 

[Gwadien]

No way did i extend cilvil rights to criminal.

You said a copper should be able to smack a kid, so therefore a husband should be able to smack a wife? Surely.

I tell you, it's great living in a generation where I'm not fearful of the Police, Teachers, and my parents, and they're answerable for their actions, sure they could be more human, (especially my Parents).

 

[Scouse]

If your mrs is misbehaving, you should be able to give her a black eye too.

Don't fuck about @Gwadien. You used to be able to legally rape her until they banned that.

 

[Gwadien]

Don't fuck about @Gwadien. You used to be able to legally rape her until they banned that.

Make Britain Great Again

 

[Moriath]

Police should uphold the law. I believe the law is pushed to far in the criminals way. These days.

You are distorting what i say for your own purposes.

A policeman has more power than your average joe while on duty. Doesnt extend to hitting his bitch. Or anyone else.

Dont be stupid for the sake of it.

 

[Gwadien]

We have these things called courts, where a judge and a jury decide whether people have committed crime.

The Police are there to catch the bad guys, not to punish them.

I like the system we currently have, where if a kid is caught doing something wrong, the Police don't beat the shit out of him, rather social services get involved, and try to improve that individuals life, rather than just beating them up, sending them home, and waiting for them to commit their next crime.

 

[Scouse]

You are distorting what i say for your own purposes.

No we're not. You're harking back to the bad old days and living in fantasy land.

i.e. (laughably) thinking criminals had more respect for cops and thinking police meating out instant "justice" was better.

It wasn't. The police became cunts, politicians reigned them in.

 

[Scouse]

Randomly annoying, if not unexpected:

 

[Gwadien]

low fidelity.

hehe

 

[Raven]

For a start, that's a poor analogy. Secondly, and more importantly, who's using that word?

Are you disputing that her majesties constabulary has had huge problems with corruption in the past which has been improved in recent years by the imposition of various oversights?

Yes.

 

[Ormorof]

As an extreme example of what happens when the police have only themselved to answer to: The County: the story of America's deadliest police

Police force has to have an external investigatory body, because they far too often have ended up doing dodgy thigs when left to police themselves

A quick google of miscarriages of justice will find you many examples, recent even, where police have falsified evidence or acted in other criminal ways to "get the guy" without evidence

 

[Raven]

Firstly, that is America.

Secondly, it's a tiny minority.

 

[Ormorof]

Yes its a minority but a minority with the potential to tarnish the whole police force with the same brush making their jobs much much harder

Trust is critical for the police to function, if we just let these things slide without any IPCC or equivalent intervention that trust dissapears (see how much faith people in NI had in the police during troubles, if you got harrased/attacked did you go to police or to local nutjob group?)

Edit: and way to miss the point, it was an extreme example of what can happen when there is no oversight at all, i am glad that we in europe have bodies that keep the nutters out of a job if they pull illegal crap

 

[DaGaffer]

Firstly, that is America.

Secondly, it's a tiny minority.

Crimes in general are committed by a tiny minority of the population; what's your point?

And secondly, the fact that "it's America" is irrelevant in the context of the point being made, which is "As an extreme example of what happens when the police have only themselves to answer to". The fact that that scenario can't happen in Britain isn't down to some special British police morality superpower, its down to the systems they work within. This has been a known issue about policing since...forever, which is why Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? is in latin not emojis.

 

[Raven]

Bollocks.

Scouse keeps whitering on about the police being corrupt. I simply stated that his point of view is nonsense. A tiny minority are corrupt. Only a complete degenerate would have a natural dislike of the police based on the actions of a handful.

 

[Ormorof]

I dont see scouse saying anywhere that all police are corrupt, just that there is a tendency towards bending the rules if no one is looking, which is what happened in the past. Which is why we need police oversight