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[Moriath]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt3WUtq9kIs


Kid tricks lots of players into dying, steals their stuff. Admin finds out, takes kid's stuff, destroys all his shit. Kid rages.

Volume warning.

Some kids think everything always goes their way and cant handle it when they dont. Kinda funny

 

[TdC]

holy shit that kid 0_o

 

[Scouse]

"Subsidise us"

 

[soze]

Officers face criminal investigation over police chase scooter crash

Criminal charges for the police and no one yet has asked why this kid if he was so perfect decided to run from the police. I know they are changing the rules so you can't chase anyone who runs if they don't have a crash helmet. But the kids already know this and when the police show up they just take their helmets off and drive around just out of reach of the police. We need the police but with stuff like this we are going to alienate more and more of them with the Met being so keen to prosecute cops to show how transparent they are.

 

[Scouse]

Criminal charges for the police and no one yet has asked why this kid if he was so perfect decided to run from the police.

We have gathered sufficient evidence in this investigation to determine that criminal offences may have been committed by the police officers involved in this pursuit

So, one criminal act by a pleb makes another criminal act by a cop OK?

Fuck that. The rules (and legislation) have been developed over many years and are there to protect the public, the cops and the plebs. It's the COPS responsibility to set an example - and to uphold the law. If they can't be arsed to do it, why should anyone else?

Theft is not worth causing a death over.


Aside from that all that's happening is an investigation - and quite rightly so. Because before cops were put under such scruitny they were proven to be criminal in their actions themselves. Institutionally racist, on the make, violent arsholes - no better than anyone else.

It's only the threat of censure or imprisonment that keeps cops on the straight and narrow.

 

[sayward]

Now a whole electric circuit has stopped working. Thought we'd blown a fuse except having changed it 2 or 3 times worked out half the circuit is actually working. 2 visits from an electrician, whole place is like spaghetti junction! Taken hours to find out what's wrong but he can't find the box where faulty wire goes. We now have a blue wire strung across the ceiling.This is France by the way.

 

[soze]

So, one criminal act by a pleb makes another criminal act by a cop OK?

Fuck that. The rules (and legislation) have been developed over many years and are there to protect the public, the cops and the plebs. It's the COPS responsibility to set an example - and to uphold the law. If they can't be arsed to do it, why should anyone else?

Theft is not worth causing a death over.


Aside from that all that's happening is an investigation - and quite rightly so. Because before cops were put under such scruitny they were proven to be criminal in their actions themselves. Institutionally racist, on the make, violent arsholes - no better than anyone else.

It's only the threat of censure or imprisonment that keeps cops on the straight and narrow.

But the criminal act by the cop was chasing someone not wearing a helmet. They have taken the risks away from the criminal by prosecuting police who do their job and chase criminals. And also every time the police turn on the blues and tows and chase someone they break the law by speeding ect. But they are protected as it is their job. This is another step towards putting impossible standards on the police. They are trained to be in pursuit chases but accidents happen. If they start getting prosecuted because of these accidents then you will start getting people moving away from being traffic officers.

And the not wearing a helmet thing is so stupid. Commit a murder and just jump on a moped without a helmet and the police will have to just stop and watch you go unless there is a helicopter above.

 

[Scouse]

But .....

Nothing you said there changes what I've said above (and is palpably stupid - petty theft isn't murder).

 

[Moriath]

So, one criminal act by a pleb makes another criminal act by a cop OK?

Fuck that. The rules (and legislation) have been developed over many years and are there to protect the public, the cops and the plebs. It's the COPS responsibility to set an example - and to uphold the law. If they can't be arsed to do it, why should anyone else?

Theft is not worth causing a death over.


Aside from that all that's happening is an investigation - and quite rightly so. Because before cops were put under such scruitny they were proven to be criminal in their actions themselves. Institutionally racist, on the make, violent arsholes - no better than anyone else.

It's only the threat of censure or imprisonment that keeps cops on the straight and narrow.

I knew a lot of cops in the 80's and 90's and my dad was one and what your doing is tarring an organisation with the acts of some. There are many many who dont or didnt fit into your stereo typing.

 

[Moriath]

Now a whole electric circuit has stopped working. Thought we'd blown a fuse except having changed it 2 or 3 times worked out half the circuit is actually working. 2 visits from an electrician, whole place is like spaghetti junction! Taken hours to find out what's wrong but he can't find the box where faulty wire goes. We now have a blue wire strung across the ceiling.This is France by the way.

You own this? Sounds expensive.

 

[soze]

Nothing you said there changes what I've said above (and is palpably stupid - petty theft isn't murder).

So every Police chase should be investigated before the pursuit begins?

I knew a lot of cops in the 80's and 90's and my dad was one and what your doing is tarring an organisation with the acts of some. There are many many who dont or didnt fit into your stereo typing.

Scouse hates our police force to the point I think he got buggered by one. (I think someone in his family got a kicking?). But I know 3 generations of Met police and none of them are like Scouse makes out. For him one bad cop is not one bad cop. It is systematic racism and beatings.

 

[Scouse]

I knew a lot of cops in the 80's and 90's and my dad was one and what your doing is tarring an organisation with the acts of some. There are many many who dont or didnt fit into your stereo typing.

Oh boo hoo.

Corruption and violence has been endemic in the UK police force for decades and the fact that your dad may (or may not) be kosher has zero effect on that. Them's the facts and that's why cops are under such scrutiny now.


Edit: @soze - you may know cops, as do I, but they're not under the hammer for no reason -they're under the hammer because so many of them were/are bent.

 

[Moriath]

Oh boo hoo.

Corruption and violence has been endemic in the UK police force for decades and the fact that your dad may (or may not) be kosher has zero effect on that. Them's the facts and that's why cops are under such scrutiny now.

You only hear the cases that turn up in the papers. You dont hear all the good done.

And i said my dad and many others that i knew.

Your just bias.

 

[soze]

No a massive overreaction to a few bad apples is why good police officers are leaving the job. If the corruption and violence was as widespread as you believe then why are officers being arrested for it so infrequently? Cops are being charged for being rude and are being accused of violence daily so now they wear body cameras. Yet how many of these violent thugs are bought up on charges by the IPCC who just love arresting officers.

 

[Scouse]

Your just bias.

Clearly not - as the myriad of rules, regulations and oversight bodies proves.

If the corruption and violence was as widespread as you believe then why are officers being arrested for it so infrequently?

Clearly because the myriad of rules, regulations and oversight bodies are doing their intended job - and that job is to keep police officers on the straight and narrow - because, as history (and other countries) shows very clearly - without these things cops turn bad.

Fact.

 

[Gwadien]

That's cos bobbies are trained to treat everyone as guilty until innocent.

That's my experience anyway.

I've met a few nice police officers who have a laugh and shit.

PSCOs or what ever they're called, on the otherhand are usually more of a mixed bag; you get the younger ones who do it to become an Officer, and they're usually dicks, but older ones who do it for the lols clearly aren't caught up in the whole 'you must be a dick' training.

 

[Gwadien]

I think the whole OJ Simpson case has some relevance in this discussion (Since the American Crime Story thing pretty good, you should watch it!)

'Don't chase him, he has a gun and he might hurt himself, and he's OJ Simpson!'

Some random thug on the streets, nah, shoot him, chase him, have a fun car chase.

 

[soze]

We have 120k police officers and in 14/15 there were just under 80k allegations made. so 220 a day across the country not bad considering how many police officers there are. But still they are a corrupt organisation with widespread racism. Lucky for us the IPCC keeps them in check. Or is more likely that the overwhelming majority of our police are good people doing a thankless job?

 

[Scouse]

Or is more likely that the overwhelming majority of our police are good people doing a thankless job?

They're that, at the moment.

Take away the sword of damocles that hangs constantly above their averagely-IQ'd heads and they'd quickly revert to the violent criminal arseholes that average-IQ humans doing such a job turn into the world over.

Boo-fucking-hoo if they are doing a thankless job. If cops didn't turn into arseholes then we wouldn't need the regulations to keep them in check - but we do.

 

[soze]

They're that, at the moment.

Take away the sword of damocles that hangs constantly above their averagely-IQ'd heads and they'd quickly revert to the violent criminal arseholes that average-IQ humans doing such a job turn into the world over.

Boo-fucking-hoo if they are doing a thankless job. If cops didn't turn into arseholes then we wouldn't need the regulations to keep them in check - but we do.

And without them what happens? If you have something I want and I'm bigger than you I just take it. What are you going to do? Boo-fucking-hoo?

 

[Tom]

Scouse isn't saying we don't need a police force, he's saying we need one that obeys the law. What's a good way of making sure people obey the law? The police. So it's fairly evident that we need to police our police.

Which oddly enough, is what appears to be happening in your story.

 

[Scouse]

And without them what happens? If you have something I want and I'm bigger than you I just take it. What are you going to do? Boo-fucking-hoo?

Are you suffering from low-IQ too?

I'm not trying to "ban police". I'm saying that police have to obey the rules - and if they don't they need to be prosecuted. We've found out that police have to work under these rules or they turn criminal.

Your OP was about "the rules" being unfair - but they're not. Because without them the cops turn into criminals. M'kay?



Edit: What @Tom said. Quite obviously.

 

[Gwadien]

And without them what happens? If you have something I want and I'm bigger than you I just take it. What are you going to do? Boo-fucking-hoo?

You need to understand something.

The Police are representing the State.

If the Police kill people, it's State sponsored murder, whether you like or not.

This guy supposedly stole something, and the Police chased him, resulting in his murder.

If this guy was a mass murderer and they chased him, then they'd have justification for chasing him in such a dangerous manner.

But since they're chasing someone who had committed a minor crime which resulted in his death, they practically murdered him.

It's not like they couldn't have taken note of his number plate and told his mum and dad.

As opposed to rocking up and telling them their son is dead.

 

[soze]

Scouse isn't saying we don't need a police force, he's saying we need one that obeys the law. What's a good way of making sure people obey the law? The police. So it's fairly evident that we need to police our police.

Which oddly enough, is what appears to be happening in your story.

Yes we do need Police to Police the Police which I do not disagree with. What I think is dangerous the policing them to the point where we make it impossible to do their jobs. They were involved in a chase which is their job. Everything I have heard says they are being prosecuted because he did not have his helmet on.

You can say it was only theft and they could have just picked him up later but with the way the CPS work all he would need to do is dump the bike then report it stolen and he would get away with it. The only way they get a conviction is to catch him on the bike. Also how do they know he was the owner?

It is another case of police being held to impossible standards. If the police are chasing suspected armed robbers down the motorway at 120mph and they hit a car killing a family or four should they be prosecuted for 4 counts of death by dangerous driving? If that is a possibility then why would anyone ever take part in a chase? Just follow them to 70 and then let them go, why risk jail? If the police are not protected when doing dangerous work they are trained and paid to do then you will get even more Police officers leaving the force.

 

[MYstIC G]

Now a whole electric circuit has stopped working. Thought we'd blown a fuse except having changed it 2 or 3 times worked out half the circuit is actually working. 2 visits from an electrician, whole place is like spaghetti junction! Taken hours to find out what's wrong but he can't find the box where faulty wire goes. We now have a blue wire strung across the ceiling.This is France by the way.

That's how the French do electricity, random shit wiring

 

[soze]

But since they're chasing someone who had committed a minor crime which resulted in his death, they practically murdered him.

No they really didn't murder has intent. They chased him. He ran he lost control and he crashed killing himself. Murder would mean they intended to kill him and ran him over on purpose.

 

[Scouse]

@soze, you keep bringing up different scenarios - the cops were't chasing armed robbers they were chasing a petty child thief. Their job is to let him go.

They didn't do their job and he died. The investigation is warranted and proportionate.

And, to labour the point, if the cops had held to high standards in the first place they wouldn't be subject to these investigations...

 

[soze]

In a world where you can say if there was no IPCC then the police would go back to being racist bullies I can speculate on how traffic officers will react to having criminal charges bought for doing their jobs.

 

[Moriath]

@soze, you keep bringing up different scenarios - the cops were't chasing armed robbers they were chasing a petty child thief. Their job is to let him go.

They didn't do their job and he died. The investigation is warranted and proportionate.

And, to labour the point, if the cops had held to high standards in the first place they wouldn't be subject to these investigations...

Their job isnt to let him go. Their job is to decide how best to aprehend him. Which in this case their choice was a bad one.

 

[Tom]

Yes we do need Police to Police the Police which I do not disagree with. What I think is dangerous the policing them to the point where we make it impossible to do their jobs. They were involved in a chase which is their job. Everything I have heard says they are being prosecuted because he did not have his helmet on.

So they knew the rules and ignored them. Or perhaps they weren't aware of them. Have you ever heard anyone successfully say in court "but I didn't know it was illegal?!" No, of course not.

You can say it was only theft and they could have just picked him up later

Of course they will, perhaps not for that crime but they'll get him later. People like this don't just steal once and say "oops, made a big mistake there, better turn my life around!"

It is another case of police being held to impossible standards. If the police are chasing suspected armed robbers down the motorway at 120mph and they hit a car killing a family or four should they be prosecuted for 4 counts of death by dangerous driving? If that is a possibility then why would anyone ever take part in a chase? Just follow them to 70 and then let them go, why risk jail? If the police are not protected when doing dangerous work they are trained and paid to do then you will get even more Police officers leaving the force.

I think you'll find that police chases are only generally performed by highly trained officers. That's why they don't shoot tyres, or perform PIT manoeuvres. They try and brings chases to a safe conclusion, and if said chase becomes too dangerous, they'll back off and let them go.

Lives > stuff.