SPAM random annoying things

[Moriath]

Sorry, am I blind? I can't see what you fixed?

Or to and

 

[CorNokZ]

Ahhh you removed the cheap? Yeah, okay I agree with you. Regardless of the cost always use sensible amounts

 

[Jupitus]

You'll always find someone with a smashed helmet (which incidentally, has completely failed and therefore provided little to no protection).

My only comment on the whole cycle helmet thing - how often do we see a 'smashed' formula 1 car which a driver walks away from because it has done it's job correctly?

*fucks off out of the discussion*

 

[Tom]

Many times, but you'll never see a smashed F1 tub or a smashed HANS unit or a smashed helmet, or a smashed 5-point harness, because they're the things that keep him alive.

 

[caLLous]

Surely the fact that the helmet smashed and the helmet-wearer's head didn't smash says that the helmet provided enough protection to stop the helmet-wearer's head from smashing?

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I don't remember saying the helmet smashed? It took damage, of course it did, it hit a wall with a head in it.

 

[soze]

You'll always find someone with a smashed helmet (which incidentally, has completely failed and therefore provided little to no protection).

Is that not it's job though? If you helmet is split in two but your head is fine the helmet has done it's job. As without the helmet that is your head that is split in two. So any impact hard enough to split a helmet that does not then happen to your head has offered plenty of protection.

I am not trying to argue about wearing or not wearing a helmet.

 

[Bodhi]

I got the impression that a cycle helmet was like the crumple zones in a car - if it smashes it's because it has absorbed the impact energy so your head doesn't have to.

Not that I wear cycle helmets myself. As that would involve getting on a bike, which would be a fucking silly idea.

 

[CorNokZ]

I got the impression that a cycle helmet was like the crumple zones in a car - if it smashes it's because it has absorbed the impact energy so your head doesn't have to.

Bingo

 

[DaGaffer]

I got the impression that a cycle helmet was like the crumple zones in a car - if it smashes it's because it has absorbed the impact energy so your head doesn't have to.

Not that I wear cycle helmets myself. As that would involve getting on a bike, which would be a fucking silly idea.

Exactly. Which is why they always tell you to replace the helmet after a knock even if you can't see external damage. Same with motorbike helmets.

 

[Tom]

No, you're all wrong. Cycle helmets are designed to protect the head by compression. But many helmets crack without compressing even a little.

Imagine if you crashed your car only to discover that the seatbelt had torn in two during the impact. You wouldn't claim that the seatbelt had worked as designed.

A cracked helmet has failed completely (incidentally, that's why most of them have a plastic shell - to hold the polystyrene together).

 

[Raven]

Er.. A seatbelt is completely different to a helmet. If a seatbelt snaps it has obviously failed. If a helmet (of any type, motorbike, hard hat etc) it means it has absorbed some or all of the energy from the impact.

The stupidity here is quiet startling and actually pretty disturbing, I hope you don't hand that drivel out as advise.

 

[Scouse]

Exactly. Which is why they always tell you to replace the helmet after a knock even if you can't see external damage. Same with motorbike helmets.

Cycle helmet and motorbike helmets are two different things - @Tom's right - if a cycle helmet has cracked it's failed and crap.

If you hit your head hard enough to split a good-condition cycle helmet in two then your brain will have turned to grey slime on the inside of your skull.

...If a helmet ...of any type...

No...

 

[Moriath]

Many times, but you'll never see a smashed F1 tub or a smashed HANS unit or a smashed helmet, or a smashed 5-point harness, because they're the things that keep him alive.

They are designed to break to absorb the impact like crumple zones on cars.

 

[Scouse]

They are designed to break to absorb the impact like crumple zones on cars.

Yep - but cycle helmets aren't.

They're just polystyrene in plastic - and are very good at very low-speed impacts but as much use as a chocolate fireguard in other situations.

Well. To be fair. I could find a use for a chocolate fireguard. But you get my drift

 

[DaGaffer]

Cycle helmet and motorbike helmets are two different things - @Tom's right - if a cycle helmet has cracked it's failed and crap.

If you hit your head hard enough to split a good-condition cycle helmet in two then your brain will have turned to grey slime on the inside of your skull.


No...

Nope. The principle of both types of helmet is exactly the same; the hard shell is designed for sliding resistance and to spread the force away from the point of impact (and cracking is expected at certain impacts; so long as enough force has been deflected around your head, leaving what's left for the liner, its done its job) and the inner liner is supposed to compress to absorb some of the impact to stop your brain sloshing around.Slice open a motorbike helmet and you'll find a similar liner doing the same job. Any helmet should be replaced after a head impact, even if the outer shell looks superficially OK the inner liner will have deformed and it can't return to its original shape. The highest safety standard for helmets is the Snell B-90 standard, which is actually a higher standard than the BSI certification used in the EU (BSEN1078). The Snell standard specifically says helmets can break on impact and still do their job.

 

[Bodhi]

Nope. The principle of both types of helmet is exactly the same; the hard shell is designed for sliding resistance and to spread the force away from the point of impact (and cracking is expected at certain impacts; so long as enough force has been deflected around your head, leaving what's left for the liner, its done its job) and the inner liner is supposed to compress to absorb some of the impact to stop your brain sloshing around.Slice open a motorbike helmet and you'll find a similar liner doing the same job. Any helmet should be replaced after a head impact, even if the outer shell looks superficially OK the inner liner will have deformed and it can't return to its original shape. The highest safety standard for helmets is the Snell B-90 standard, which is actually a higher standard than the BSI certification used in the EU (BSEN1078). The Snell standard specifically says helmets can break on impact and still do their job.

What a ridiculous post! You're not insinuating that the people who actually design and legislate for the helmets know more about these things than a couple of blokes on the Internet?

 

[Scouse]

Read... or don't...

 

[Bodhi]

Read... or don't...

Great link! But do tell me, what the fuck have any of the arguments made on that site have to do with what we are discussing here - namely how cycle helmets work in an impact. To argue your point you've posted an article discussing people's attitudes to cyclists and how they behave when wearing a helmet.

You might as well have posted a study about monkeys flinging shit at each other in the Congo for all the relevance it has to the discussion.

 

[Moriath]

Great link! But do tell me, what the fuck have any of the arguments made on that site have to do with what we are discussing here - namely how cycle helmets work in an impact. To argue your point you've posted an article discussing people's attitudes to cyclists and how they behave when wearing a helmet.

You might as well have posted a study about monkeys flinging shit at each other in the Congo for all the relevance it has to the discussion.

Agree the discussion has moved on

 

[old.user4556]

Back on topic, here's something that randomly annoys me:

Planned to catch up with unwatched movies, so went onto the Sky Store to get Wolf Of Wall Street to stream - not available, was "buy to keep" only for ~£10. I checked another two streaming services (Sony's thingy and Google Play Movies), but they were both "buy to own" as well to the tune of similar money. I had to go to Tesco up the road and pick-up the DVD for £5. So I was able to "buy to keep" for half the price of the streamed version, but I didn't actually want to buy it in the first fucking place.

What the fuck, I thought we were moving away from this sort of bullshit with the amount of streaming services available. This "buy to own" bollocks seems like such a step backwards to the days of VHS - I don't want to own it, I want to stream it from a streaming service. It was cheaper for me to get the actual physical product. Fucking stupid.

 

[Raven]

They will continue to get pirated to hell until someone releases a proper service.

Netflix seems to be getting newer films but its still pretty much a year after cinema release.

 

[Ormorof]

Thoughi wouldnt mind a service like steam for movies

The copyright and distribution licences would be a nightmare though

I use netflix a lot but they occasionally lose content which isnt nice

 

[old.user4556]

They will continue to get pirated to hell until someone releases a proper service.

Netflix seems to be getting newer films but its still pretty much a year after cinema release.

This is the thing, I could have had a blu-ray torrent lined up for free, but I'm trying to be a decent paying citizen in a world of fuck-ass shitey services where rentals disappear and this wank "buy to own" shit seems to be taking over.

 

[Scouse]

This is the thing, I could have had a blu-ray torrent lined up for free, but I'm trying to be a decent paying citizen in a world of fuck-ass shitey services where rentals disappear and this wank "buy to own" shit seems to be taking over.

Stop trying to be decent in the face of profiteering fucktards and pirate away...

 

[old.user4556]

Stop trying to be decent in the face of profiteering fucktards and pirate away...

But then I can't be all sanctimonious and self-righteous. TAPING OFF THE RADIO IS KILLING THE INDUSTRY SCOUSE!

 

[Ormorof]

But by buying a physical copy the publisher can think "hmmm we've had a spike in dvd sales up north, must mean they want EVEN MORE DVDS! cancel all streams!"

 

[Calaen]

I was trying to find a stream for the first transformers movie, as my daughter asked if we could watch it together, I checked skystore, netflix, amazon prime and I couldn't stream it via any of them, but I could have bought if for a tenner off amazon Prime. Which as Big G has stated, is complete utter bollocks.

 

[Bodhi]

Personally I'd take a physical copy every time - be it music, games or movies. Whilst streaming is very convenient and definitely has it's uses (I'd never buy a TV box set again - well maybe South Park as we have all 17 series now and it would be a shame not to complete the collection), I much prefer getting something physical for my cash - the quality on BluRay is much higher too, along with CD.

 

[Scouse]

But then I can't be all sanctimonious and self-righteous.

If you pirate you can be that AND a hypocrite. Surely that's better!