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[Zarjazz]

... Fire all tube drivers, replace them with a PC.

I bet that is exactly the long term plan. It's already been announced the next generation of Tube trains they've ordered will allow them to be automated just like they do on the Docklands (DLR) service.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Doctors get paid around the same amount to save lives (after a few years, entry level they get around 25k ffs), with longer hours and a fuck ton more stress, you don't see them striking.

Careful @CorNokZ might come in and say how you know f*ck all about doctors because you're on an internet forum and don't work as one

 

[Raven]

Stomach bugs!

Been coming out of both ends all night, feel like crap.

 

[Scouse]

Doctors get paid around the same amount

*cough*

 

[old.Tohtori]

Stomach bugs!

Been coming out of both ends all night, feel like crap.

Imagine if stomach bugs were actual bugs that came out of both ends

 

[Raven]

*cough*

So around the same amount then...

Generally 40-50k

 

[Scouse]

So around the same amount then...

No. When you finish your training - including your 4 postgrad years - you're looking at ~55-85k as a GP, plus bonuses, in the NHS. Consultants much more, and that's if you don't do any private work...

 

[old.Tohtori]

Is that including the loan payments etc? I know it won't bring it to the same level, but does equalize a bit. Doctor training i'd assume is a metric sh*tton more expensive then tube button pressing

I know it's not technically prudent to the "this pay vs that pay", but practically?

 

[Poag]

No. When you finish your training - including your 4 postgrad years - you're looking at ~55-85k as a GP, plus bonuses, in the NHS. Consultants much more, and that's if you don't do any private work...

If you do do private work its all Pro-rata stuff. So dual-consultants only get hours worked, and its heavily policed if they over claim they get struck off fairly rapidly. You never hear about it in the news as its fairly boring shit. Except when you get some truly special cases that ends up blowing up.

Its worth throwing this in aswell, the Agenda for Change pay scales. This is what nurses, support staff, admin/IT staff get paid.

Where I am, 90% of IT staff are Band 5 or below. Band 6 are the tech specialists. B7 are team leaders, then onwards up the tower....

 

[Raven]

No. When you finish your training - including your 4 postgrad years - you're looking at ~55-85k as a GP, plus bonuses, in the NHS. Consultants much more, and that's if you don't do any private work...

That's GPs, A&E doctors (for example) get less.

 

[Moriath]

That's GPs, A&E doctors (for example) get less.

Up to 69k if i read that thing from scouse right

 

[Scouse]

Up to 69k if i read that thing from scouse right

And either way - it's ignoring the fact that 40-50k, whilst being about double the national average, still isn't a shitload of money any more. If you earn the national average wage you're a pauper as far as I'm concerned.

Pay levels in Britain stink.

 

[Zarjazz]

And either way - it's ignoring the fact that 40-50k, whilst being about double the national average, still isn't a shitload of money any more. If you earn the national average wage you're a pauper as far as I'm concerned.

Pay levels in Britain stink.

It's still a lot of money for an unskilled (GCSE level) position, working minimal hours with lots of holiday time & benefits. Even for London.

 

[Scouse]

It's still a lot of money for an unskilled (GCSE level) position, working minimal hours with lots of holiday time & benefits. Even for London.

Compared to <pick job> then <trains> = easy.

True. I agree 100%.

But you're missing the point - almost all jobs pay shit in Blighty. So complaining that someone's on a slightly better screw than someone else is just pointless infighting between the jealous masses.

Everyone should be on a fuckload more. But the money that the masses create gets piped straight into the bank accounts of an incredibly small number of incredibly rich people. As long as the workers are looking at their next door neighbour and getting pissed off that they're on 15k more than they are, for fewer hours, then that's the way the world's going to stay.

Yes, train drivers get relatively well paid for an easy job. Yes, nurses get terribly paid - period. But both train drivers and nurses both aren't particularly well off because they're still working class...

 

[Moriath]

30kin london isnt much at all.

 

[old.user4556]

30kin london isnt much at all.

£100k in London isn't much at all either, especially if you want to live somewhere reasonably central that isn't a fucking toilet.

What's that? 1 bedroom dump you say? £450k please!

 

[Scouse]

But but but @Big G - these scummy fuckers only got a handful of GCSE's and they keep inconveniencing me!!!1!

I want them to be on minimum wage. Or even better - jobless. Preferably with a drug habit to paper over the cracks in their soon-to-be-miserable lives. I work hard at my much harder job and I'm a much more worthwhile human being. The very fact that they earn about the same amount of money as me when I'm clearly a better human animal in every way - morally, intellectually, hygenically - is an affront to all right-minded people.

I HATE THEM. I FUCKING HATE THEM.

 

[old.user4556]

You should be a guest writer for the Daily Mash .

 

[DaGaffer]

Compared to <pick job> then <trains> = easy.

True. I agree 100%.

But you're missing the point - almost all jobs pay shit in Blighty. So complaining that someone's on a slightly better screw than someone else is just pointless infighting between the jealous masses.

Everyone should be on a fuckload more. But the money that the masses create gets piped straight into the bank accounts of an incredibly small number of incredibly rich people. As long as the workers are looking at their next door neighbour and getting pissed off that they're on 15k more than they are, for fewer hours, then that's the way the world's going to stay.

Yes, train drivers get relatively well paid for an easy job. Yes, nurses get terribly paid - period. But both train drivers and nurses both aren't particularly well off because they're still working class...

I think you're overstating things. The UK is 11th in the world for average wage, ahead of the likes of Germany and France. The difference is that you usually work a bit longer to get it and have fewer holidays. Public sector pay is shit, but then that always used to be the payoff for job security, which is no longer the case, unlike in other developed economies. The other big difference is that you have to spend more of your disposable income on putting a roof over your head than almost anywhere else in Europe.

 

[Scouse]

I think you're overstating things. The UK is 11th in the world for average wage, ahead of the likes of Germany and France.

I kinda don't. I think that most of the world struggles more than it should. 11th in the world for average wage, regardless of the higher living costs, still doesn't really say much as it's a relative measure.

If you're measuring shit against shit, whatever the result it's still shit...

 

[DaGaffer]

I kinda don't. I think that most of the world struggles more than it should. 11th in the world for average wage, regardless of the higher living costs, still doesn't really say much as it's a relative measure.

If you're measuring shit against shit, whatever the result it's still shit...

Sorry: #firstworldproblems. In Europe we're still epically better off than most of the rest of the world, and the UK is in the top end of Europe. Why do you think every fucker hides under a train to get there? Take away the living costs and what's left is still more than most people in the world have full stop. Do I wish I had more money? Of course I do, but I'm not under illusions that being born a white European in the late 20th century was effectively a lottery win before I took my first shit.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm sorry @Scouse but a landlord talking about how tight money is is rather funny

 

[Raven]

But but but @Big G - these scummy fuckers only got a handful of GCSE's and they keep inconveniencing me!!!1!

I want them to be on minimum wage. Or even better - jobless. Preferably with a drug habit to paper over the cracks in their soon-to-be-miserable lives. I work hard at my much harder job and I'm a much more worthwhile human being. The very fact that they earn about the same amount of money as me when I'm clearly a better human animal in every way - morally, intellectually, hygenically - is an affront to all right-minded people.

I HATE THEM. I FUCKING HATE THEM.

You're twisting the original point...again.

 

[Scouse]

I'm sorry @Scouse but a landlord talking about how tight money is is rather funny

Put me back on ignore please. I was clearly talking about other people - not me - and I've been enjoying not having to explain utterly retarded stuff whilst you've been ignoring me.

Sorry: #firstworldproblems. In Europe we're still epically better off than most of the rest of the world, and the UK is in the top end of Europe. Why do you think every fucker hides under a train to get there? Take away the living costs and what's left is still more than most people in the world have full stop. Do I wish I had more money? Of course I do, but I'm not under illusions that being born a white European in the late 20th century was effectively a lottery win before I took my first shit.

I'm not disagreeing with you there. But a care worker on 13 grand in the UK lives in relative poverty to everyone else, has shit working conditions etc. etc.

You can, of course, compare UK workers to some pisspot country in shitsville - but this discussion wasn't really a comparison of that.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Put me back on ignore please. I was clearly talking about other people - not me - and I've been enjoying not having to explain utterly retarded stuff whilst you've been ignoring me.

Yeah that's the funny part. White rich guy talking about how tough it is in the UK. That's funny. Like pampered white rich girl crying in the states about how hard it is for african children funny.

Strawman all you like, but dems the facts

 

[Ormorof]

Well if you are living in a damp rotten shithole and tou are struggling to pay bills or feed your kids then its notuch consolation that you "have it so much better than kids in africa!"

The "it could be worse so suck it and work harder" argument is old hat and has been used to keep the masses in check for an absurdly long time

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah, but it's as old as the rich folk feeling sympathetic while sipping on wine skit.

 

[DaGaffer]

I'm not disagreeing with you there. But a care worker on 13 grand in the UK lives in relative poverty to everyone else, has shit working conditions etc. etc.

You can, of course, compare UK workers to some pisspot country in shitsville - but this discussion wasn't really a comparison of that.

Except you were saying wages in Britain are shit, which implicitly means you're making a comparison with other countries; and most other countries aren't better. A care worker in any developed country (with the possible exception of Japan) is on shit wages compared to everyone else in the economy; sorry, but that's how we value things as a society (and they'll have shit working conditions by definition). Things might change when the majority of us are old and dribbling into our incontinence pants (I'll let you know), and we collectively change our priorities, but I doubt it. If anything we're heading back to the way things used to be, where "care workers" were a rare luxury for the elite and the rest of us will be left to the tender mercies of our own families, just like the 90% of the planet today...

 

[Scouse]

Except you were saying wages in Britain are shit, which implicitly means you're making a comparison with other countries

Incorrect old bean. I was just saying it in isolation. After that I went on to say it's a worldwide problem. Worker's wages are shit the world over.

A care worker in any developed country is on shit wages compared to everyone else in the economy; sorry, but that's how we value things as a society

No. That's how our economic system values care work. And "society" doesn't form our economic system - that's shaped by the rich.


Again. I agree with the bulk of the rest of what you're saying tho.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Then stop shaping it to be f*cked up.