Quite ridiculous to be honest

[BloodOmen]

lol, if you realised its obvious that you dont know what youre talking about, dont you think its time to rethink your posting strategies?

nope and i'm not revealing why - there is a point beind it all.

 

[BloodOmen]

I am so glad i didn't get into this discussion.

Why ? its amusing winding people up who take things seriously

 

[tris-]

nope and i'm not revealing why - there is a point beind it all.

so you dont knoiw what youre talking about, you admit that. but youll continue to do it to wind people up in other words.

surely you could of kept integrity and left it all alone?

 

[Overdriven]

This thread now has as much chance of having a point, than I do getting laid by Jolie tonight.

 

[BloodOmen]

This thread now has as much chance of having a point, than I do getting laid by Jolie tonight.

Lol it could happen Overdriven slip her a few roofies.

 

[tierk]

Why ? its amusing winding people up who take things seriously

Funny seeing as you seemed to be the only one that is being wound-up on this thread.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Honor killings persist in 'man's world' - World Blog - msnbc.com


The joys of the muslim world. Its good to see that they are holding on to their good moral values and not give in to western decadence!


(i'll say it again. Our rules are better. I hope you dont have the nerve to deny that after this. I really do xd)

 

[tris-]

(i'll say it again. Our rules are better. I hope you dont have the nerve to deny that after this. I really do xd)

i think you missed this bit

In 2004, President Pervez Musharraf outlawed the practice, known as "honor killings" – violations of the law carry the death penalty.

in summary it shows that what they did is against the law in that country.

it would also be illegal in the western world.

to conclude, the law is the same as ours.

 

[Golena]

(i'll say it again. Our rules are better. I hope you dont have the nerve to deny that after this. I really do xd)

Want me to go find some stories of horrors that happen in the western world. Maybe some article from the sun about how a local gang of chavs beat up some poor defenceless woman in the street then put it on youtube?

I could then claim that our rules are utter crap as well couldn't I.

What punishment are we going to give those chavs to indicate that what they did was horribly incorrect. We're going to put them in a prison with 3 meals a day for a year or two, then let them back out to spend taxpayers money on drugs while they play playstation. Yeah, a much better system, I agree with you.

 

[Gorbachioo]

i think you missed this bit



in summary it shows that what they did is against the law in that country.

it would also be illegal in the western world.

to conclude, the law is the same as ours.

I think its worth noting that Musharraf is a puppet of the west. --> western values making the country better. Thanks for proving my point

Anyways, theres still alot of political support for that.

edit for golena: That argument was so weak that im not going to dignify it with an answer.

 

[tris-]

I think its worth noting that Musharraf is a puppet of the west. --> western values making the country better. Thanks for proving my point

Anyways, theres still alot of political support for that.

edit for golena: That argument was so weak that im not going to dignify it with an answer.

what the hell are you on about?

you said their laws are worse than ours.
if you look at the article, the basic purpose of the law is the same as laws we have.

so im not even sure why you posted the article, except to disprove your own point that their law is worse?!

 

[Gorbachioo]

i think you missed this bit

in summary it shows that what they did is against the law in that country.

it would also be illegal in the western world.

to conclude, the law is the same as ours.

I let you off too easily on this one.

This is exactly what proves my point. Western human rights groups have made this possible by condemning these perverse traditions and thats why their law is the same as our law now. And their law is the same as our law because they realised that its better.

Had these human rights activists been as cowardly and pc as tohtori and the rest of you these animals would still be killing their women for standing up for their rights.

Not condemning things that are wrong is a cowardly act. And this proves it.

 

[Golena]

That argument was so weak that im not going to dignify it with an answer.

Guess because you don't have one.
Thought so.

thats why their law is the same as our law now. And their law is the same as our law because they realised that its better.

Nothing to do with us forcing it onto them if they wanted it or not. Na, that would never happen.

Your so utterly sheep like it's scary!

 

[tris-]

I let you off too easily on this one.


pc as tohtori and the rest of you

who is pc?

or are you just calling names now because people are arguing oposing points?

i never said which side i believe, as its not relevant. im just arguing the oposing point.

 

[Golena]

Had these human rights activists been as cowardly and pc as tohtori and the rest of you these animals would still be killing their women for standing up for their rights.

Not condemning things that are wrong is a cowardly act. And this proves it.

Are you a vegetarian?

If not why are we right about this, but vegetarians are incorrect when they say killing animals for food is wrong?
Now if you believe that we are in any way more important than a cow or that killing a cow isn't as bad as killing a human then you've stepped outside science and are pretty much entirely relying on religious beliefs here. You could argue it from a genetics standpoint maybe, but that also states we should kill off weaker members of the species so your not going to get far by doing that are you.

Is not condeming McDonalds for killing cows also a cowardly act?

Now why should they listen to you about our views when your not listening to the vegetarian about his?

 

[tierk]

.....(i'll say it again. Our rules are better.

Murder of James Bulger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tony Martin (farmer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

If i want to pick on cases where i think the law sucks in a country its easy.

 

[BloodOmen]

Funny seeing as you seemed to be the only one that is being wound-up on this thread.

Hardly little man hardly.

 

[BloodOmen]

I found the follow an interesting read (come on chronic join in I enjoy our arguements lol)



Islam Lies

Islam..a Beast
They start accumulating in countries and then start terrorizing it with gangs of rapists, violence and civil disruption.

They are possessed, demon possessed. They seek to spread fear and violence, they are pawns of the devil who feeds off of the fear and suffering they create for power.

Just as their leader, Mohammad, they use "God" as an excuse to prey on innocent people. Mohammad was a robber and a thief, his followers are no different.

It is not the Most High God they serve, but Satan.

Don't you think the Arabs make it hard for themselves to garner sympathy from the western civilized nations when all they do is preach the death and destruction of those very nations?
See the Koran Film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCrCsTMokTU&feature=related

Their religion is one of hate, not love. The Talmudic Jews preach that anyone not a (Kazaar) Jew as they are should be killed. Should we let the two races alone to just go at it amongst themselves and kill each other off?

Every religion thinks they are the only ones serving the true God and going to heaven. The Jews, the Moslems, the Catholics, the Protestants. God does not live in a book, He lives in the hearts of those who truly love and worship Him. Religions are used to manipulate and control mankind to further political agendas.

Get out of RELIGION and get into a RELATIONSHIP with the One true God. Ask HIM to teach you the truth in ALL things.

Read The Coming Arab Beast

There are 5 Beasts Coming: An Arab beast, an Aramean Beast, an Aryan Beast, a Black Beast, and a Female Beast.

Muslim activists in the West have been using the tactic of claiming that they worship the same god as the Christians in order to gain legitimacy and acceptance. They have been using the name "God" in place of "Allah" in many translations of the Qur'an.

Muslims DO NOT pray to the same God (Yahweh/ Jehovah of Holy Scripture) of Christians and Jews! Yahweh is transliterated from the Hebrew YHVH.

Before Muhammad the Arabs had 365 gods - one for each day of the year. Muhammad picked Allah (the Arab moon god).

They claim the founder of Islam is a prophet named Muhammad...however Muhammad himself says he is not a prophet and has never personally heard from God...in fact Muhammad who heard voices thought himself it was from evil spirits....his wife encouraged him to change his mind and claim God had spoken to him...

Muhammad was a pedophile, having sexual relations with a 6 year old and 9 year old girl.

Muhammad performed no miracles, spoke no prophecies,
and died like all mortal men

Islam claims the Prophet Muhammad was foretold in the Torah and Bible:

The coming of Prophet Muhammad had been foretold in the Torah. God had said to Moses: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him" Deuteronomy 18:18

This was fulfilled in John 1:45, "We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." Nope..not Muhammad! It was Jesus of Nazareth!

ooops...

There are more than 100 verses in the Qur'an (Koran) advocating the use of violence to spread Islam. There are exactly 123 verses in the Qur'an about killing and fighting.

Qur'an 9:5, known as "the verse of the sword," declares, "Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem."

The Koran was written 500 years after the Bible and Muhammad couldn't get his history straight? Who was talking to his head? Certainly wasn't the Most High God.

The Moslems consider the Qur’an as uncorrupted. Yet it's historical and scientific blunders are numerous..

Islam teaches that Hagar was Abraham's first wife..the Torah says Hagar was Sarah's handmaiden, or bondwoman.....Hagar was never Abraham's wife..she was a maid...a servant...who had a child for Abraham because Sarah was barren and couldn't conceive. Eventually Sarah did conceive and Hagar was cast into the desert with Ishmael her son.

The Muslims misquote the Bible claiming the "freewoman" wife of Abraham was Hagar when it was Sarah. Hagar was the bondwoman, servant of Sarah. In other words, Sarah was Abraham's wife, Hagar was his mistress. When Isaac was born, Ishmael and Hagar were cast away from Abraham and sent into the desert away from him and Sarah.

Ishmael was promised to be a great nation, and today he is, but the blessings of Abraham and Yahweh's covenant went through Isaac and his seedline. Biblically speaking, the land of Israel rightfully belongs to the Jews because God promised and gave the land to Abraham, the Father of the Jews, and renewed this promise or covenant to Abraham's son Isaac and to Isaac's son Jacob (later renamed Israel by God) who begat twelve sons from whom the twelve tribes of Israel was established as a nation as described in Genesis 12:1-3; 17:7,8 and 17:19-21.

The state of Israel is a constant reminder to the world that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is alive and that one billion Arabs can't keep them from possessing their promised land.

Was Jesus the ONLY Begotten Son of God? Yes. "For God so loved the world that He gave HIS ONLY Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life - John 3:16...not through Muhammad, it was Jesus, Yahushua.

Did Jesus die on the cross? Yes. Matthew chapters 27&28 talk about his death and resurrection. Jesus defeated death when he arose from the grave 3 days later. Muhammad's tomb still holds his body, Jesus' does not! His tomb is empty!

Islam misquotes and teaches that Muhammad was prophesied..The Bible says,

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" (John 14:26). Not Muhammad..the Holy Ghost..Holy Spirit..

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (I Tim. 2:5).

The False Cult of Islam

Blunders in the Koran...

The Koran teaches that the world is flat. This doctrine is believed by Islamic scholars even today. The Bible revealed that the earth is round in Isaiah 40:22. "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth".

It is also clear in the Qur'an that Muhammad and his Allah thought Moses lived at the time on Noah and that Jesus' mother Mary was Moses' and Aaron's sister.

If the Qur'an is a true miracle of God - why is it so filled with historical, scientific and other errors, including simple math? Wouldn't we expect an all-knowing Allah to be better student of history, science and math? Especially if he was getting his information straight from "God Himself"?

Muhammad had obviously heard some Bible stories, but he seems to have got them confused and mixed up when it came out in his prophetic utterances. It is quite apparent that the Qu'ran is simply the product of hearsay and imperfect editing from a plurality of traditions then known to Muhammad.

Historical errors in the Qur'an:

The Historical, Scientific, simple mathematics and theological contradictions in the Qur'an are too numerous to list. Remember, since Muhammad already proclaimed the Jewish Torah/Christian Old Testament (Taurat) as correct in Qur'an 5:46/47 and 43:63 then the following gross errors that differ with the Torah are inexcusable. These errors their selves scream out the Qur'an itself is entirely false. Here are just a few:

In Sura 2:241 Muhammad confuses the persons of Saul and Gideon.

In Sura 2:55-60 the Israelites were said to be "a scanty band" vastly inferior to the Egyptians. But in Exodus 1:7-10 the Egyptian king said to his people that the Israelites had become "more and mightier than we".

The Koran confused the sister of Moses (Miriam) with Mary, the mother of Jesus. In Hebrew, Miriam and Mary are the same names.

How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the annunciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21. The Christian Bible clearly indicated one angel; "In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called Nazareth," Luke 1:26

Muhammad taught that Mary the mother of Jesus was the sister of Aaron and Moses - who lived 1,500 years earlier.

Do you remember the evil Persian Haman who conspired to kill all the Jews during the time of Esther in the Babylonian captivity. In the Koran, Muhammad incorrectly taught that this wicked man Haman was the prime minister of the Egyptian Pharaoh. Throughout the Quran--Nimrod and Abraham, Haman and Moses, Mary and Aaron, the tower of Babel and Pharaoh were all pictured as living and working together. Moses and the flood are also incorrectly found together. Muhammad thought these all happened at the same time.

What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.

Sura 7:136, 7:59 say Noah's flood took place in Moses' day. Did anyone tell Moses that?

Sura 14:37, says Abraham lived in the valley of Mecca. The Bible says he lived in Hebron, Israel. (Genesis 13:18, 23:2, 35:27)

Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.

Suras 21:51-71; 37:97,98, says that Abraham was thrown into a fire [by Nimrod]. Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Qur'an who did not live at the same time. The Bible tells us Nimrod lived many centuries before Abraham.

Sura 6:74, says Abraham (called millata-Ibrahim in the Qur'an) father's name was Azar. The Bible says it was Terah (Genesis 11:27).

Sura 12:21ff, says the man who bought Joseph was named Aziz. The Bible says it was Potiphar.

Sura 37:100-112, says Abraham went to sacrifice Ishmael. The Bible says it was Issac.

Sura 5:73-75,116, Muhammad mistakenly thought the Christian Trinity was 3 gods: the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus).

Sura 28:8-9, says is was Pharaoh's wife who adopted Moses. The Bible says it was Pharaoh's daughter.

Sura 9:10, incorrectly says Zacharias could not speak for only three days.

Sura 20:87, 95, says the Jews made the golden calf in the wilderness at the suggestion of Samaritans. There were no Samaritans at that time.

Sura 18:85,86, says that Alexander the Great (Zul-qarinain) followed the setting sun and found that it went down into the waters of a muddy spring. Sura 18:89-98 says Alexander the Great was a Muslim and worshipped Allah and lived to an old age. Actually, Alexander the Great died very young and was by no means a Muslim. The Greek, Alexander the Great lived from 356 - 323 B.C. (Before Jesus). He was 33 years old when he died. Muhammad and Islam did not come along till 610 A.D. (after Jesus), when Muhammad began preaching Allah and his new religion in Mecca. This was over 900 years after Alexander the Great died. Yusuf Ali and the Concise Dictionary of Islam confirm that Zul-qarinain in the Quran is Alexander the Great.

The Qur'an also incorrectly says Abrah's army was defeated by birds dropping stones on them. History says Abrah's army withdrew after smallpox broke out. It says; the Kabah was build by Adam and rebuilt by Abraham. It was built by pagans to worship a black rock that fell out of the sky. Abraham never lived in Mecca.

The Quran says that man was created from a clot of blood..the Torah says man was created from the dust of the ground.

"Read! In the name of your Lord Who Creates
Creates man from a clot of blood
Read! And your Lord is most generous
Teaches man that which he knew not" Quran 96:1-5

Other notable errors in the Qur'an:

More flip flops than John Kerry: The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]? Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].

Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!

What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [Sura 24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [Sura 4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone" [Sura 4:16]. Sura 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4?

Didn't Allah have a Basic Education?

It just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.

Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [Sura 5:90, also Sura 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [Sura 47:15, also Suras 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?

Islam says that the prophecy in Bible has been fulfilled by the advent of Prophet Muhammad. Jesus says in the Bible, John 16:7 and 16:13:
"If I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart I will send him unto you . . .We will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak . . ."

The Comforter was the Holy Spirit, who did come..it was not Muhammad, another blunder in Islam...

Contrast these blunders in the Qur'an (Koran) showing this book is NOT INSPIRED by God with this example of something really divinely inspired and accurate from the Jewish/Christian Bible:

Islam Rejects Christ's Death on the Cross

Muslims have no hope of being saved - because nowhere in the Qur'an does Allah offer redemption. Muhammad himself was unsure if he would ever be allowed into Heaven.

Allah is not the God of the Jews or the Christians. Allah is in fact a Meccan Moon god idol. To confess that Allah is the same God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses is to deny Jehovah God, who is revealed in the Lord Jesus the Christ!

Muslims even deny that Jesus died on the cross; something that was faithfully reported in 4 Gospels. Consider the significance of the fact that no Jew or Roman alive at the time ever openly denied the Scriptural record of Jesus Christ's life, death, ministry or resurrection.

The Qur'an Lies and Covers up the Crucifixion of Jesus by claiming it never happened..

According to the Qur’an, and to Muslim tradition, He was never crucified. There is a verse in the Qu’ran which says that “they have not crucified Him but it was likened unto Him.” In some of their traditions, they claim that it was Judas Iscariot who was crucified on the cross. Their argument is that God, who sent such a great rasool as Jesus the Son of Mary, would never allow him to die such a shameful death on the cross.

Qurán
Sure 4, 157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.";- But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Sure 4, 158. 158. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
Sure 4, 159. 159. And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-
Sure 5, 17. Sure 5 17. They disbelieved indeed those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and every one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."

In short, this Allah is not the God of the Jews or the Christians. Allah is in fact a Meccan Moon god idol. To confess that Allah is the same God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses is to deny Jehovah God, who is revealed in the Lord Jesus the Christ!

The Qur’an does not deny Passion Week. Supposedly, as Jesus was on his way to the cross, God tricked everyone by putting someone else in his place and by taking Jesus to heaven. In the final analysis, Muslims have a theological argument against the cross and not an historical one. They reason like this: First, God is almighty. Secondly, he sent Jesus into the world as a great revealer of His law and will. And since God would never allow his prophet to be crucified, therefore, Jesus was not crucified.

As Muhammad was persecuted there is nothing unusual about a prophet like Jesus being persecuted. Muhammad had to flee for his life. There is such a thing as the suffering of Muhammad and of the Muslim community that had recognized his mission as the Messenger of Allah. Some sought refuge in Ethiopia. And then, in 622, he and the rest of his followers migrated to Medina. That marked the beginning of the Islamic (lunar) calendar. So the idea of suffering is part and parcel of the early Muslim Umma. But the idea of complete defeat or failure of a divine messenger is unthinkable. The Jews have this problem also. How could they accept somebody who was crucified? So we have the Qur’anic account of Good Friday, where God rescues our Lord from death at the eleventh hour.

Muslims come from a religious background that has always denied both the historicity and necessity of the cross. Their Holy Book tells them that this central event in the life of the Messiah did not take place, and that someone else was crucified. Allah rescued the Messiah and thwarted the evil plans of the Jews negating the entire New Testament of the Gospel.

As some Muslims claim, some other person was crucified. In other words, when it comes to the heart of the Christian message, Muhammad put in his veto. And this has marked his followers for the last fourteen hundred years. Muslims still veto the cross, even though the rest of mankind, regardless of their religious commitment acknowledges the historicity of that event!

God's Word is redemptive. Where the Christian can see the Word of God consists of both law and gospel, the Muslim's concept is that the Word of God is purely and simply law.

Islam offers HELL and that is all

Allah Promised hell for his followers:
Sura 3:185, "Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception."

This Suras from Quran very clearly says that after death everyone will go to hell fire then judgment.. When a person went to hell fire then how and why it is possible that he/she can come out from hell fire and go to paradise.. no way.. This verse does not say anything about eternal life. This verse very clearly says that every believer in Allah is tasting death means they did not get the life while Jesus promised eternal life and heaven as we read in

John 10:10 "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

And also every soul is going to hell fire till the day of judgment means they are not reaching heaven. So of course Allah promised hell fire for his believers. There is no chance to go to heaven once you go to hell. Jesus can save you when you are still in this world as He said in John 3:15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

How a person can save himself/herself from hell fire when he/she is already in hell fire? And this verse says that they will be there till the time of Day of Judgment. Do you think a person who is already in hell will get a seat in heaven after judgment? Judgment is a day when people get their sentence and verdict.. and there are no second chances to "make it to heaven" once you have been cast into hell.

And he claims all those who don't follow Islam are going to hell..so according to Muhammad, everyone is going to hell...

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Submission to Allah), Never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost."(Qur'an 3:85)

Allah promised hell fire for his followers

Jesus promised heaven for His followers.

Yet the Jihad martyrs are pumped up with grand illusions....

And what reward does Paradise bring to the jihad martyr? He is promised a palace of pearls in which are 70 mansions; inside each mansion are 70 houses and in each house a bed on which are 70 sheets and on each sheet a beautiful virgin. He is assured that he will have the appetite and strength of 100 men for food and sex.

This is the fantastic dream that is fed to Muslim boys from their childhoods. Satan promised Jesus things similar to these and more, when he tempted Jesus in the desert.

To a Christian and any other true son or daughter of the true God, these things the Muslim hopes for are loathsome. To a woman it has to be a hell...

The only way to receive eternal life in heaven is through Yahushua the Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God

Allah Offers NO Redemption. Your entire eternal existence is spending time in hell...

Muslims have no hope of being saved - because nowhere in the Qur'an does Allah offer redemption. Muhammad himself was unsure if he would ever be allowed into Heaven.

Islam allows no freedom and is actually cruel towards women. This alone should make them realize that it is Satan behind Islam who wishes to enslave Muslims to turn them away from the truth.

This lie of and by Islam has been the cause that has led billions of Muslim souls into a religion with no hope of redemption - because they reject the only way to redemption that God promised - to those who believe what God did through His son Jesus (Yahushua) on a cross in Jerusalem.

Muhammad himself was convinced that the "revelations" he received in the Hira Cave were evil, and from a demon (Jinn).

Muhammad's constant fits, foaming at the mouth and other manifestations certainly fit in with that idea. This is how demon possessed people are known to behave today, as they did in both the times of Jesus and Muhammad. The Hebrew prophets, and Jesus Christ never behaved like this. But all over the world where demons are listened to, you will find this kind of behavior.

Murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah - if done in the name of Islam

Koran (Qur'an) 8:67-68

Muhammad justified his crimes with divine revelation:

The details of all his criminal onslaughts in the form of battles and assassinations are chronicled in this article in a chronological manner. One should note that every time the 'Apostle of Peace' committed one of his criminal onslaughts, he always justified the crimes by quickly claiming a 'divine revelation' which conveniently removed the blame from his bloodied hands.

Muhammad was married to a 6 year old Jewish girl, while he was 51, and he had 11 wives

Islamic fundamentalism promotes jihad (holy war), against those of other religious and political views.

In addition to good works, salvation is sought though observance of the Five Pillars: reciting “there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger,” praying five times per day, fasting, giving alms (donations to the poor), and a pilgrimage to Mecca.

The Arabic word Islam means “submission to the will of God” and a person who submits is called a Muslim. The Qur’an (or, Koran), the Torah, the Psalms of the Old Testament, and the Gospel of the New Testament are regarded as holy books. However, only the Qur’an is considered uncorrupted even though it was written 500 years after the Bible and is filled with historical and scientific blunders...

Islam rejects the Trinity doctrine, the deity of Christ and His Sonship, claiming that Jesus was only a great prophet. Muhammad is considered to be the greatest prophet, whose coming was allegedly predicted by Christ. Jesus told us The Holy Spirit was coming, the Spirit of God! Not Muhammad some fake, wannabe mortal human who couldn't even get his demonic channeling straight that the earth isn't flat!

Muhammad: Based on the teachings and life of Muhammad (570-632 AD) in Mecca and Medina, Saudi Arabia (then Persia). Islam is the second largest world religion, and has recently become the third largest religious body in America with over 6 million adherents. Muslim-based sects such as the Nation of Islam (which appeals especially to African-Americans) and Bahá’í (which proclaims the unity of the human race) have special appeal to many Americans. Islam is composed of two major divisions — the mainstream Sunni (the largest) and the more radical Shi’ites.

Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately.

A symptom of evil (bait and switch). Except for Allah saying he loved the Jew/Hebrew Moses (in 20:39) there is not one mention of Allah unconditionally loving man in the Qur'an (Koran); or providing a route to salvation. Can you be sure your time in Hell will not be an eternity? If you do not do Allah's bidding by doing terrorist acts -- what future awaits you as a Muslim? God already provided a simple plan to salvation; and it is the true path of Peace. Muslims often say they honor Jesus as a great prophet. If they truly honored Jesus Muslims would believe what He (Jesus) said; "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16

The Qurash (aka: Quraish) tribe which Muhammad belonged to was in charge of idol worship at the Ka'ba Shrine. The chief god of Muhammad's tribe was one of the three sister goddesses called al-Uzza, the youngest of the three daughters of the pre-Islamic Allah and the patron goddess of Mecca. Her name means "the mighty one". The other two were named "al-Lat and "al-Manat". It was only by chance that a fortune teller counseled Muhammad's grandfather against sacrificing Muhammad's father to this al-Uzza pagan diety. The head of these pagan deities was "Al-llah". It is believed that "al-llah" in Muhammad's time before Islam referred to a vague moon god and that Muhammad believed that al-Uzza was a daughter of this "al-llah".

The Qurash tribe's Allah corresponded to the god Bel, which is another name of the Assyrio-Babylonian gods En-lil and Marduk. It has the same meaning as Baal. The Arabic today translates the word Allah as "God". Muhammad's father's name was "Abd-Allah" (or slave of Allah). When Muhammad says there is only one god - Allah - now you have an idea what his background/ thinking was.

Renounce Islam and Accept Yahushua as your Saviour

Islam is a wide path to hell..it is false doctrine

Photo: this poor frightened woman is buried up to her waist in preparation for her stoning to death. All a muslim man has to do is lie and a woman is found guilty and murdered under Islam. In Islam, there is no justice for women. Does that sound like a fair God to you? It isn't God, Allah is nothing but a jinn/demon mansquerading as a god.

Here is a real example of what the Muslim head "stoner" says to begin the ghastly "festivities:

"We have all gathered here to implement divine punishments. Oh, Almighty, we plead with you to give victory to Islam and Muslims."

Here is what Jesus said:

According to the Gospel of John, the Jewish Priests (Pharisees), in an attempt to discredit Jesus, brought a woman charged with adultery before him. The Pharisees reminded Jesus that adultery was punishable by stoning under Law of Moses and challenged Jesus to judge the woman so that they might then accuse him of disobeying the law. Jesus thought for a moment and then replied, “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.” The people crowded around him were so touched by their own consciences that they departed. When Jesus found himself alone with the woman, he asked her who were her accusers. She replied, “No man, lord.” Jesus then said, “Neither do I condemn thee: go and sin no more.”

Muhammad said..

".. take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that you may learn wisdom." (Quran 6:151)

Yet by his own example he was a plunderer and murderer, and promotes murder and Jihad for those who don't agree with him..

Jesus, the Son of God, said to love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you............

When Muhammad started preaching his new religion in Mecca he was conciliatory and appeasing to Christians. He told them: "We believe in What has been sent down to us and sent down to you, our God is the same as your God." Surah 29:46. Compare this with what happened later, in Medina, after Muhammad gained strength and Christians refused to follow Muhammad's Allah. Allah then tells him to "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day...Nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam), (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay Jizya (tribute tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued". Surah 9:29

The Koran was written 500 years after the Christian Bible was completed

Muhammad is one of those false prophets who would deceive many (hundreds of millions) that Jesus warned us about.

According to many interpretations of the Qur'an (aka: Koran), conversion to a faith other than Islam is punishable by death, in the Koran he says his god is the same of Jews, yet then changes and says anyone who doesn't worship in Islam is punishable by death. Threat of force to worship? Who's your god Muhammad? The Most High God gives man Free Will.

Islamic Satanic Lies

Islam is built on subtle lies which have been concocted by evil men in order to maintain cohesion and discipline within their robber band. Islam is the only religion that says that Jesus did not die on the cross. Islam denies this historical fact about Jesus which therefore negates the salvation given us by the Son of God's painful death and miraculous resurrection from the dead. Even the Jewish Sanhedrin (High Religious Court) in Jerusalem admits Jesus died there. In addition to the writers of the 4-Gospels, the Jewish Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) from the Tannaitic Period recorded: "On the eve of Passover Yeshu was hanged".... This means on a wooden cross.

"Allah" was an old pagan tribal "moon god"

Tthe name of the true God is not Allah, but Jehovah (Yahweh)....

Moslems are deceived into thinking Allah means "submission to God" when they are really worshipping a moon god..remember Lucifer deceived 1/3 of the angels in his rebellion against God. In Islam, Lucifer is deceiving 1.3 billion people!

1 John 2: 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Christians were told in the Bible to be on-guard and that the Antichrist will not only just be a man who appears shortly before the Lord Jesus, but also a movement which denies that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God.

More than 1.3 Billion human beings confess Islam, the religion Muhammad founded. There is no more militant movement on earth equal to Islam. No religion teaches hatred more than Islam. Jesus said; "many false prophets will rise up and deceive man."

Around 85 per cent of Muslims belong to the majority Sunni sect. The minority Shi’a Most Muslims are not concentrated in Iran and Iraq.

Less than 20 per cent of Muslims are Arabs. Almost half of the world’s Muslims live in South and Southeast Asia.2

World’s most Muslim nations
The populations of the following countries are almost entirely Muslim. That is, about 99.5% or more of the native populations, and nearly all of the foreign workers, are Muslim.

Bahrain
Comoros
Kuwait
Maldives
Mauritania
Mayotte Morocco
Oman
Qatar
Somalia
Saudi Arabia
Tunisia United Arab Emirates
Western Sahara
Yemen

Largest national Muslim populations3
Country Number of Muslims

Indonesia 170,310,000

Pakistan 136,000,000

Bangladesh 106,050,000

India 103,000,000

Turkey 62,410,000

Iran 60,790,000

Egypt 53,730,000

Nigeria 47,720,000

China 37,108,000

Muslims - the facts | May 2002 | New Internationalist

There is no Salvation in Islam

Muslims claim that Mohammed and angel Gabriel is the Holy Spirit but Holy Spirit is neither Mohammed nor angel Gabriel. The Holy Spirit is not human but the spirit of God Himself. It is called Ruwach in Hebrew and Pneuma in Greek. I took the definition of these two words from lexicon

Definition: wind, breath, mind, spirit, Spirit of God, the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son

We can see that the Holy Spirit is not human and so Mohammed cannot be the Holy Spirit and the angel Gabriel also cannot be the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. An Angel is an angel, an angel cannot be the Spirit of God.

And more than that when Jesus was about to leave this world He said to His disciples, John 16:13-14, "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you."

Again Jesus said in John 14:16-17, "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever; "the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

Jesus promised to send "Spirit of Truth" who will abide with us always. Mohammed is not the Spirit of Truth because he is dead and gone but Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit) is still alive and comes and dwells in us when we invite Him in our lives.

Yes, His promises are not changing but when we come to Quran we see that the promises are changed. Quran denies the death of Messiah on the cross and that is why there is no salvation in Islam. And that is the reason why Allah promised hell fire and then Judgment to his followers. Quran denies the promise of Holy Spirit made by Jesus and hence they reject the comforter who was sent by Jesus to be with us always and to lead us in whole Truth. So again it proves that Allah is not the god of the Bible.


There are 66 Books in the Bible..

The Word of God consists of the 39 books of the Old Testament and the 27 books of the New Testament.

There is only one gospel and that it is found throughout the entire Bible. Both old and new Testaments are part of the entire Gospel. Not just the Old Testament and the book of Psalms. The Moslems ignore and don't teach the New Testament part of the Bible because it contains the Most HIgh God's fulfillment and redemption of man and sin.

Muslims are taught that man is not really sinful in the Biblical sense of the word, and thus needs no redemption.

In fact, Muslims are not aware of any writings in the Old Testament other than the Torah of Moses and the Zaboor (Psalms) of David. They are surprised to discover other books exist such as the four Gospels in the New Testament and the Book of Revelation by John. They are not told that the Bible consists of 66 books.

Muslims don't understand that Christianity is a redemptive religion. This is the most distinctive feature of our faith. When Jesus was born, this is how the angels announced His birth: “Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; He is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)

Jesus was more than a mere Prophet...He was the Son of God. His grave is empty...

You can visit Muhammad's...

For example, when the angel appeared to Joseph he explained the meaning of the name to be given to the child. Referring to the Virgin Mary, the angel said: “She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” Matthew 1:21. Matthew went on commenting on the birth of the Messiah with this quotation from the Old Testament: “All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: ‘The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel’ which means, ‘God with us.’” Matthew 1:22

The only way to receive eternal life in heaven is through Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God

Islam hides the Lord's redemptive work on the cross...

The gospel is the good news of what God decided to do concerning the redemption of man, and how it became an accomplished fact through the incarnation of the Son of God, His suffering, His vicarious death and His glorious resurrection.

Right away you must deal with the Muslim’s misunderstanding of the gospel. They think that it was a book descended from heaven on the Messiah. He simply received and was commissioned to preach it to the children of Israel. That was, according to the Qu’ran, the mission of the Messiah. There is no word at all about redemption!

In the Islamic concept of the Injeel, it is a book that the Messiah received from God. But we must insist that the gospel is not primarily a book, neither are its contents nothing but law. The Injeel is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes. There was a point in time, i.e., during the First-Century A.D., when the only Bible in existence was the Old Testament. The common version was the Greek translation done in Alexandria, Egypt and known as the Septuagint. So when the Apostles and their assistants proclaimed the good news in the Mediterranean world, the New Testament, as we now know it, had not yet existed. Its various parts were circulating and preserved by the Church. Thus, early in the Second-Century, the canon of the New Testament was being established and its twenty-seven books preserved in various sections of the early Church.

The gospel is a dynamic message from God. It is a message of salvation. The good news of God is found throughout the Bible. If the gospel were a book of law, as they think it is, then it would be a legalistic document, incapable of communicating the way of salvation.

The Biblical gospel was a promise during the Old Testament times, but it became a reality when Jesus Christ came to our world, died for our sins, and was raised on the third day. As one theologian stated, the gospel is not just that Christ died, but that Christ died for our sins. In other words, it refers to the historical fact of the death of Christ, his resurrection, and God’s interpretation of these facts. People become righteous in the sight of God when they believe this gospel, and certainly not other pseudo-gospels.

According to Islam, man does not need a Savior, because man is simply a weak creature. What he needs is to know the will of Allah so that by doing it, he may please God. To put it in Christian terms, Muslims believe that the revelation of God’s will is adequate to save man. To them, man suffers from ignorance. It is not the righteousness of God that he needs, but simply to know the will of God. Through this enlightenment, man is enabled to fulfill all the requirements of the divine will. This is the major difference between Islam and Biblical Christianity.

In Islam man sins, but he is not sinful. He commits many sins and transgressions, but he is not sinful in the sense of having inherited a powerful inclination or propensity to sin. To the Muslim (as well as the Jew) man’s nature is inherently good. Man is basically decent. He simply misses the mark, because he does not know the will of Allah. Supply him with that knowledge, and he will be able to keep the Law and please his Creator!

Muslims have been immunized against the acceptance of the Biblical doctrine of salvation throughout a 1400-year religious culture that teaches the inherent goodness of man. It is not easy for them to acknowledge the wickedness or the sinfulness of man. Even though many examples from Islamic history point to the evil nature of man, they continue to deny the necessity for Divine redemption. Neither Muslims nor Jews are willing to accept the basic teaching of Biblical Christianity, that man is totally fallen. Every aspect of his personality has been polluted by sin: the mind, the will and the emotions. In Reformed theology this is called Total Depravity. And this is the burden of the second part of the first chapter of Romans.

Why are the Gospels Hid from Moslems?

The most important part of the first chapter of Matthew is the wonderful message that accompanied the birth of the Messiah. He was heralded as the Savior of his people. The angel said: “She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” Matthew 1:21

the Muslim concept of sin is totally different from the Biblical one. As far as a Muslim is concerned, sins are simply mistakes, transgressions that flow out of the weakness of man. He can atone for them by believing in the message of Muhammad and by practicing good deeds, as required by the shari'a, law. Not so, according to the New Testament. Jesus is the Savior of his people from their sins.

All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel – which means, "God with us.”
Matthew 1:22,23

When translated literally Immanuel may be rendered: with us God. It is interesting to note that in the Greek New Testament, this happens to be the emphasis. Immanuel refers to the incarnation of the Son of God. In Christ, God has taken our side, and declared his solidarity with us! Certainly this revealed truth is beyond our imagination. Now the deep spiritual hunger of human beings; whether they are Jews or Muslims, Marxist or heathen, can only be satisfied by Immanuel, the God who is with us. In Christ, God has become our Redeemer.

John the Baptist is known in the Qu’ran under the name of Yahya; however, his mission is not properly described. Nowhere do we even hear a faint echo of the authentic preaching of the Baptist. So, we may not take for granted that Muslims realize that the son of Zechariah called people to look for the Messiah, and introduced him as the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.

I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering the wheat into his barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Matthew 3:11,12

Jesus' Baptism

When we come to the baptism of Jesus, we have a revelation of the three Persons of the Trinity. This is a stumbling block to Muslims. We do need to have a clear understanding of what happened.

Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
Matthew 3:13-15

Here we have a manifestation of the meaning of the second name of Jesus as revealed in the opening words of Matthew. Immanuel–God with us. God in Christ is so identified with us that, sinless as he was, yet he went through baptism. This was a sign of his total identification with his people.

As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Matthew 3: 16, 17

The Son was being baptized as the incarnate Son of God. He was visible. The Holy Spirit was revealed, “The Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him,” and “a voice from heaven,” the voice of God, the Father was heard saying: “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (I Tim. 2:5).

The Messiah can never be understood as a mere prophet, but as a Person who was both divine and human. This is the truth of the Gospel, to reveal Jesus as the Son of God who came down to earth to bring about our redemption, and that is why Moslems are lied to about the real message of the Bible.

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The Qur’an claims that the devil fell because he refused to worship Adam. And to make the account more bizarre, it attributes the command to worship Adam to Allah himself! Even though Islam teaches emphatically the oneness of God and the absolute duty to worship him alone, yet it has to live with this strange account of the fall of Ibliss (the Arabic name for the devil!)

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Man cannot please God by his own efforts. We need his power, through the Holy Spirit, to even approximate the goals of the Sermon on the Mount. In fact anyone who reads the Sermon on the Mount carefully will find that it shows the total inability of man to live according to the law of God. We are sinners, redeemed by the Most High God through His Son Jesus through his death and resurrection for those who believe.

Nor can we bring about His kingdom on earth or the millennium through our own efforts! In the Sermon on the Mount our Lord was not giving us a higher or superior law that we would practice to bring about a perfect world order.

Muslims say, “You adhere to the religion that was evolved by Paul, but the real Jesus is the Qur’anic Jesus.” Unfortunately there are those who follow Paul more than Jesus, but that doesn't negate the message and work of Jesus Himself, but it fulfills HIS prophecy that there would be one who come in his OWN NAME and would be accepted as being from Him.

The Gospel according to Matthew shows our Lord not only as Savior, but also as King. This Gospel is referred to as the Gospel of the Kingdom. The Lord expects our righteousness to exceed that of the Pharisees, not in order that we may be saved, but because we are saved.

And even though Islam is a legalistic religion, Muslims do not seem to have a clear knowledge of the demands of the Law of God. The Ten Commandments of the Tawrat are nowhere to be found in the Qur’an.

Bearing in mind that the Muslim regards the Law as savior...yet they aren't sure what that "law" is...

There is only one Mediator between God and Man and that is Yahushua/Jesus Christ

IRAN HANGS 16-YEAR OLD GIRL

Under Islamic law
females are executed for adultery/premarital sex.
Males are not. ?? Does Allah show favoritism? The Most High God does not!

The 16 year old girl told the religious judge, Haji Rezaii, a fundamentalist Muslim cleric, that he should punish the main perpetrators of moral corruption, rather than punish the victims. She took off her headscarf and insisted that she was the victim of an older man's advances. But, her courageous defence angered the judge, who also severely criticised her dress by harshly reprimanding her. The judge then sentenced her to death.

The Arab culture is an excuse to demonize and dehumanize women and young girls! Get away from Islam! It is Lucifer's weapon against women, he hates women because a woman gave birth to Yahushua the Messiah, the real Son of God! Wake up Muslims! Your religion is hell and is leading you to hell! There is eternal life in heaven with Jesus/Yahushua not Allah and Satanic Islam!

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, the world knew him not. He came unto His own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave He power to become the Sons of God, even to them that believe on His Name. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory), the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:10,11,12,14

The only way to receive eternal life in heaven is through Yahushua, the Only Begotten Son of God

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (I Tim. 2:5).

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"Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Surah 9:5. Also see Surah 9:29.

....."I descended by Allah with the sword in my hand, and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword. And the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted."

 

[Gorbachioo]

Are you a vegetarian?

If not why are we right about this, but vegetarians are incorrect when they say killing animals for food is wrong?
Now if you believe that we are in any way more important than a cow or that killing a cow isn't as bad as killing a human then you've stepped outside science and are pretty much entirely relying on religious beliefs here. You could argue it from a genetics standpoint maybe, but that also states we should kill off weaker members of the species so your not going to get far by doing that are you.

Is not condeming McDonalds for killing cows also a cowardly act?

Now why should they listen to you about our views when your not listening to the vegetarian about his?

Ive used this one before.

Killing animals is wrong for food (in other words, entermainment, which is what it is) is wrong. I do respect the vegetarian point of view but i just dont personally care that much. Although, if someone were to suggest a law to ban meat i would vote for it. (honestly ;>)

 

[Gorbachioo]

who is pc?

or are you just calling names now because people are arguing oposing points?

i never said which side i believe, as its not relevant. im just arguing the oposing point.

Well since you're not passionate about this surely you will acknowledge how hands down i just won this debate then!?

 

[Gorbachioo]

Murder of James Bulger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tony Martin (farmer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

If i want to pick on cases where i think the law sucks in a country its easy.

The point being that we're too soft on crime? Ye i agree. BUT WE DONT ADVOCATE IT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

Do i really need to continue?

 

[Golena]

BUT WE DONT ADVOCATE IT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

Yes we do because it's not changed yet.

Unless your claiming that everyone in that country agrees 100% with the descision. Have you asked everyone of them yet.

 

[Golena]

Killing animals is wrong for food (in other words, entermainment, which is what it is) is wrong.

Killing animals is wrong?

Science tells us pretty much exactly the opposite, which is that we were designed to kill and eat animals.
That means your descision here can only possibly be based off a RELIGIOUS belief. NOTHING else.

Now why is that religious belief something you support and would vote for but someone else's religious belief is obviously wrong? What makes your belief right? You're just as much a religious fanatic as the people your criticising here.
I fully expect some bullshit answer or a changing of the subject here but i'll ask anyway.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Killing animals is wrong?

Science tells us pretty much exactly the opposite, which is that we were designed to kill and eat animals.
That means your descision here can only possibly be based off a RELIGIOUS belief. NOTHING else.

Now why is that religious belief something you support and would vote for but someone else's religious belief is obviously wrong? What makes your belief right? You're just as much a religious fanatic as the people your criticising here.
I fully expect some bullshit answer or a changing of the subject here but i'll ask anyway.

Hmm.. interesting. Didnt expect this one.

Why is that a religious belief? I have none. Its the result of my inability to come up with a moral excuse to kill animals because i like eating them. As i said, i dont care enough to actually stop eating meat (other than the voting thing which i explained before) but i realise that there is no rational excuse for it. --> my moral belief (the irrational one) is that there is nothing wrong with it, but i cant rationally explain that. Its wrong, but still i do it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

So you bring morals to animals?

Which, makes them as humans.

Yet you say our culture is more civilized, when you condemn killing animals, and we do it daily, in THOUSANDS.

You eat meat, but say you'd want it banned.

Like said, you're a hypocrite and more dangerous thinker then the terrorists 'cause you're the kind of people who do what they want, preach about everything on the off-chance they are right ONCE and possibly would condone the death of a billion people just to rid of religion 'cause "i don't like it".

Hell, atleast al-qaida have some consistency.

 

[Zede]

Ok Gorbo, your the new president of the USA.


Please tell us all how your going to intervene & stop this guy being executed, without anyone else being killed.

The changing of religious beliefs takes 100s of years, unless you use brute military force. The only way your gonna change the laws, is if you ship in 500,000 extra troops and make sure they follow our wubbly western laws hey ?

The islamic world fell into decline when they shunned the printing press in the 16th - its taken us this long to become the shining example you seem to think we are.

 

[Golena]

Why is that a religious belief? I have none. Its the result of my inability to come up with a moral excuse to kill animals because i like eating them.

I view it as religious because it implies that animals are more than simply moving bonds of protein. That killing the animal actually in some way hurts it instead of simply changing the state of some matter in the universe.

It doesn't fit into a specific religion maybe, but religion is usually about creatures (humans/animals) being more than simply blobs of matter reacting in a set fashion to stimulus.
Scientifically a cow or a human isn't really different to the cold you tried to kill last year with beechams. It's just followed a different evolutionary path and possibly isn't as evolved as us. Killing humans is considered worse because there's "something" else about us other than simply our matter that's more important, which is why I view your belief that killing animals is wrong but eating plants isn't (or would you also vote that we didn't eat vegetables?) as you believing that there's something about an animal that differs from the plant.
Now if you can't explain what that is without stepping outside the bounds of known science then your doing exactly what everyone who believes in a religion is doing.

 

[Gorbachioo]

So you bring morals to animals?

Which, makes them as humans.

Yet you say our culture is more civilized, when you condemn killing animals, and we do it daily, in THOUSANDS.

You eat meat, but say you'd want it banned.

Like said, you're a hypocrite and more dangerous thinker then the terrorists 'cause you're the kind of people who do what they want, preach about everything on the off-chance they are right ONCE and possibly would condone the death of a billion people just to rid of religion 'cause "i don't like it".

Hell, atleast al-qaida have some consistency.

We eat, they eat meat. The relevance of this is..?


And the rest: i dont really understand what the hell you're talking about -,-

 

[Gorbachioo]

Ok Gorbo, your the new president of the USA.


Please tell us all how your going to intervene & stop this guy being executed, without anyone else being killed.

The changing of religious beliefs takes 100s of years, unless you use brute military force. The only way your gonna change the laws, is if you ship in 500,000 extra troops and make sure they follow our wubbly western laws hey ?

The islamic world fell into decline when they shunned the printing press in the 16th - its taken us this long to become the shining example you seem to think we are.

We should do what we can as long as the solution isnt worse than the problem. A good example of a wrong way to do it is the Iraq war.

The fact that these things are finally being outlawed (because of western influence, make no mistake of that) shows that we can make a difference without invading them.

 

[Gorbachioo]

I view it as religious because it implies that animals are more than simply moving bonds of protein. That killing the animal actually in some way hurts it instead of simply changing the state of some matter in the universe.

It doesn't fit into a specific religion maybe, but religion is usually about creatures (humans/animals) being more than simply blobs of matter reacting in a set fashion to stimulus.
Scientifically a cow or a human isn't really different to the cold you tried to kill last year with beechams. It's just followed a different evolutionary path and possibly isn't as evolved as us. Killing humans is considered worse because there's "something" else about us other than simply our matter that's more important, which is why I view your belief that killing animals is wrong but eating plants isn't (or would you also vote that we didn't eat vegetables?) as you believing that there's something about an animal that differs from the plant.
Now if you can't explain what that is without stepping outside the bounds of known science then your doing exactly what everyone who believes in a religion is doing.

First of all, we evolved from monkeys. Monkeys dont eat meat. The meat thing came later on and we can survive perfectly well without it.

There is no doubt that animals suffer tremendously of the whole production process,

I dont try to act like im better than people who see nothing wrong with eating meat. I dont really care about it myself. But i realise that there is no rational excuse for it. Killing/causing suffering to a living being is wrong if the only purpose of it is your own entertainment.

Plants however do not have feelings or thoughts. Animals do.