Quite ridiculous to be honest

[old.Tohtori]

We eat, they eat meat. The relevance of this is..?


And the rest: i dont really understand what the hell you're talking about -,-

Then reaad it agian, or any of the hundred or so points i've made, and answer even one with some rationality.

You're a troll, pure and simple, worth as much as Dorimor.

First of all, we evolved from monkeys. Monkeys dont eat meat. The meat thing came later on and we can survive perfectly well without it.

We could survive without housing, cars, computers etc...still..there you are.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Then reaad it agian, or any of the hundred or so points i've made, and answer even one with some rationality.

You're a troll, pure and simple, worth as much as Dorimor.



We could survive without housing, cars, computers etc...still..there you are.

It doesnt make any fucking sense dumbass.

Im ending the vegetarian debate now. It has nothing to do with the real topic and ive said everything i can about it. And as i said, im not a vegetarian myself.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes, very nice trolling indeed. Just call people names.

*pats on head*

Now why don't you go and hug your mommy for a cookie.

 

[BloodOmen]

Yes, very nice trolling indeed. Just call people names.

*pats on head*

Now why don't you go and hug your mommy for a cookie.

*wraps Tohtori in a james brown cloak and leads him off the stage*

 

[tierk]

bla bla bla

Nice copy and paste.

 

[BloodOmen]

Nice copy and paste.

No one said it wasn't a copy and paste I merely said "I found the follow an interesting read" clearly you have nothing more constructive to add to it because you know deep down islam is a joke and you can't muster a single positive thing up about it can you? by all means have a go tierk share with all reading the thread something positive about islam thats benefited the world.

 

[tierk]

....clearly you have nothing more constructive to add to it because you know deep down islam is a joke and you can't muster a single positive thing up about it can you? by all means have a go tierk share with all reading the thread something positive about islam thats benefited the world.

The list is endless, however, i have found that there is a certain element on this forum who are a complete waste of time trying to discuss /speak about religion regardless of it being Muslim, Christian or any other religion for that matter.

Me responding to anything further that you post is a waste of time and effort as you have stated clearly....

its amusing winding people up who take things seriously

just a person trying to bait people on this thread.

 

[BloodOmen]

The list is endless, however, i have found that there is a certain element on this forum who are a complete waste of time trying to discuss /speak about religion regardless of it being Muslim, Christian or any other religion for that matter.

Me responding to anything further that you post is a waste of time and effort as you have stated clearly....

just a person trying to bait people on this thread.

If the list is truely endless please share something off this "endless" list and stop trying to avoid it.

 

[Golena]

Im ending the vegetarian debate now. It has nothing to do with the real topic and ive said everything i can about it.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the actual topic unfortunately for you, because you can't seem to find a way of arguing yourself out of it.

There is no doubt that animals suffer tremendously of the whole production process

Actually there's a great deal of doubt about this. Why do animals have feelings but plants dont? Animals react to pain, so do plants.. The animals reaction is just more "human".
To think they actually suffer is to assume that they are more than just a protein blob, and that means you believe in more than just what science has told you. In order to suffer they have to be something other than something that has simply evolved from an acid. Since you've no idea what that is, or what has it and what doesn't then your guessing here. That definately introduces doubt into it.
Welcome to the world of believing what you can't prove (aka religion). Now since you think killing animals is wrong through no rational thought process, why is someone else having a different idea through a similar irrational thought process wrong and you right?

 

[Gorbachioo]

It has EVERYTHING to do with the actual topic unfortunately for you, because you can't seem to find a way of arguing yourself out of it.



Actually there's a great deal of doubt about this. Why do animals have feelings but plants dont? Animals react to pain, so do plants.. The animals reaction is just more "human".
To think they actually suffer is to assume that they are more than just a protein blob, and that means you believe in more than just what science has told you. In order to suffer they have to be something other than something that has simply evolved from an acid. Since you've no idea what that is, or what has it and what doesn't then your guessing here. That definately introduces doubt into it.
Welcome to the world of believing what you can't prove (aka religion). Now since you think killing animals is wrong through no rational thought process, why is someone else having a different idea through a similar irrational thought process wrong and you right?

Oh christ.

Try stabbing a pig in the ass. Report back to us and tell what its reaction was.

 

[Marc]

I havent read this thread. 189 posts = its just going to be a load of people arguing, but why am I not surprised to see Tohtori in the middle of it. He would argue with his own shadow given the chance. I bet half the time he doesnt even know what he is arguing about

 

[Gorbachioo]

I havent read this thread. 189 posts = its just going to be a load of people arguing, but why am I not surprised to see Tohtori in the middle of it. He would argue with his own shadow given the chance. I bet half the time he doesnt even know what he is arguing about

This is exactly the case with Golena and Zede aswell. Can it really be that these 3 never agree with me on anything or could it be that they just want to argue for the sake of arguing?

I wonder...

 

[Golena]

Oh christ.

Try stabbing a pig in the ass. Report back to us and tell what its reaction was.

If I tap you on the knee then you'll kick your leg out.
Nothing to do with pain or anything else, simply a biological reaction based on chemical impulses.

In fact pain is simply an electrical impulse desined to warn you that your body should try to take avoiding action. The pigs reaction is no different to me putting a ball at the top of a hill and then yelling, look it rolls down!!
Any ideas that it is different is based on belief.

 

[Zede]

This is exactly the case with Golena and Zede aswell. Can it really be that these 3 never agree with me on anything or could it be that they just want to argue for the sake of arguing?

I wonder...

ah...everyone else is wrong and im right ? your so sweet.

oh and...we have eyes in the front of our head, and teeth designed to tear meat. It was purly and simply our ability to kill other animals & make fire that made us human. The use of grains/rice etc... only came with civilisation, we had like 500k years before that, hunter gathers y'know. Try again noob.

 

[Golena]

Can it really be that these 3 never agree with me on anything or could it be that they just want to argue for the sake of arguing?

It could be that your utterly single minded and completely unable to see 2 sides to an argument, which there always are.

It's also not an argument, it's a discusion. You've made it an argument becase you started with an unmovable position and no matter how much evidence is pointed out to you are completely unprepared to budge. It's an approach that most uneducated people take to discusions tho so i'm not too surprised.

 

[Zede]

I havent read this thread. 189 posts = its just going to be a load of people arguing, but why am I not surprised to see Tohtori in the middle of it. He would argue with his own shadow given the chance. I bet half the time he doesnt even know what he is arguing about

we need gorbo, makes us feel better inside

 

[old.Tohtori]

I havent read this thread. 189 posts = its just going to be a load of people arguing, but why am I not surprised to see Tohtori in the middle of it. He would argue with his own shadow given the chance. I bet half the time he doesnt even know what he is arguing about

Either read the thread, notice that i've made good points and have kept my case as is, or jsut f*ck off to your lala land where your only job is to come up with that old bullsh*t claim someone sometime came up with.

Don't see me going around following you and pointing out you as a raving homosexual all the time do you? Good, then return the favor.

Actually, HONESTLY, look at the tread, read some, and notice how f*cking utterly clueless you are and then think about saying "well gee, sorry".

This is exactly the case with Golena and Zede aswell. Can it really be that these 3 never agree with me on anything or could it be that they just want to argue for the sake of arguing?

I wonder...

Or could it be, that THREE people won't wagree with you 'cause you're not right about EVERYTHING.

 

[aika]

that is all

 

[old.Tohtori]

And if we look at it from a non-zealot religious persons view:

RP: I has a baseball.
NRP: Oh yeah, prove it?
RP: Do you want o play with the baseball?
NRP: No, just prove that you have it.
RP: So you don't want to have anything to do with the baseball, i do like playing with it and i know i have it, you just want me to prove it to you for no reason...why?
NRP: Because you're dumb if you don't.

 

[aika]

that is correct, thing is people mostly notice the zealots point of view and think that all religious ppl are like that. Always, a minority which is negative is noticable much more than a positive majority.

I still found the pic funny

 

[BloodOmen]

that is all

Lol, so true.

 

[Gorbachioo]

If I tap you on the knee then you'll kick your leg out.
Nothing to do with pain or anything else, simply a biological reaction based on chemical impulses.

In fact pain is simply an electrical impulse desined to warn you that your body should try to take avoiding action. The pigs reaction is no different to me putting a ball at the top of a hill and then yelling, look it rolls down!!
Any ideas that it is different is based on belief.

Im confused about what you're trying to say here? The pig feels the pain but its not the same thing as a humans pain?

I dont get it.

 

[Golena]

Im confused about what you're trying to say here? The pig feels the pain but its not the same thing as a humans pain?

I dont get it.

I'm saying that pain being a "bad" thing is a belief that humans have evolved. Pain is something that warns us that we need to take action to avoid injury. We've evolved to view that as a bad thing that should be avoided, because those of who didn't do that got killed by it. The belief that causing pain to things is a bad thing is either a religious belief implanted into us (potentially by some higher being), or a random chance of evolution.

If you put a ball at the top of a hill then it rolls down.
If you stab a pig in the arse then it sends an electrical signal to the pigs brain which causes it to react in a way that removes that pain.

Everything else to do with pain. The fact that it's a negative thing. The fact that the pig is suffering is not quantified by science. It's to do with the fact that we as a human (through evolution) view that pain happening to us as a bad thing.
Why is causing that electrical signal to provoke a reaction from the pig a bad thing but putting a ball at the top of a hill so it rolls down it not a bad thing. That's where the belief that the pain felt by the pig is more than simply an electrical signal. That somehow the pig is something more than just bits of matter reacting to external stimulous. We don't have that view of a ball, which is simply reacting to gravity.

Maybe because the pig is more complex than the ball. Maybe because it's more like us, or maybe because we belief that there's something else (something we haven't discovered yet) i.e. a soul or being that is connected to the physical form of the pig.

Now if you don't believe in the last bit (which i'd view as religious since it's believing in something you can't prove) then causing pain to a pig is no "worse" than dropping a ball down a hill. If you do believe in the last bit, then your saying that making laws because of "what you believe in" is ok. Why is your belief "that the pig is more than simply a complex ball so hurting it is wrong" more valid than their beliefs?

 

[Gorbachioo]

I'm saying that pain being a "bad" thing is a belief that humans have evolved. Pain is something that warns us that we need to take action to avoid injury. We've evolved to view that as a bad thing that should be avoided, because those of who didn't do that got killed by it. The belief that causing pain to things is a bad thing is either a religious belief implanted into us (potentially by some higher being), or a random chance of evolution.

If you put a ball at the top of a hill then it rolls down.
If you stab a pig in the arse then it sends an electrical signal to the pigs brain which causes it to react in a way that removes that pain.

Everything else to do with pain. The fact that it's a negative thing. The fact that the pig is suffering is not quantified by science. It's to do with the fact that we as a human (through evolution) view that pain happening to us as a bad thing.
Why is causing that electrical signal to provoke a reaction from the pig a bad thing but putting a ball at the top of a hill so it rolls down it not a bad thing. That's where the belief that the pain felt by the pig is more than simply an electrical signal. That somehow the pig is something more than just bits of matter reacting to external stimulous. We don't have that view of a ball, which is simply reacting to gravity.

Maybe because the pig is more complex than the ball. Maybe because it's more like us, or maybe because we belief that there's something else (something we haven't discovered yet) i.e. a soul or being that is connected to the physical form of the pig.

Now if you don't believe in the last bit (which i'd view as religious since it's believing in something you can't prove) then causing pain to a pig is no "worse" than dropping a ball down a hill. If you do believe in the last bit, then your saying that making laws because of "what you believe in" is ok. Why is your belief "that the pig is more than simply a complex ball so hurting it is wrong" more valid than their beliefs?

You're comparing an inanimate object to an animal. Animals feel pain. Balls (you know what i mean ) dont.

Do even you understand what the hell you're talking about? I mean do i really need to explain to you that even though pain is a warning signal its still wrong to cause it to a living being?

 

[Golena]

Animals feel pain.

Can you explain what pain is? I'm guessing you probably can't.

Do even you understand what the hell you're talking about? I mean do i really need to explain to you that even though pain is a warning signal its still wrong to cause it to a living being?

Yes you do. Because i'm guessing you can't do it without using a belief, something that can't be explained purely through scientific principles.

The problem is you fail completely to understand that "wrong" is relative. "Wrong" depends on your beliefs, and your beliefs come from what's been drilled into you from an early age by your society, not from some great universal "right and wrong" manual.
Why is causing pain to a living thing wrong? Because your parents told you it was? Because that's what our society believes?
I imagine that a cat doesn't view causing pain to a mouse as something that's wrong. Now why do we have a differing view to the cat given that we are both living beings? Is the cat wrong? Should we condemn it's actions and try and teach it to respect and love mice?

Scientifically the cat is just a different evolutionary path to us. Why should we accept it's actions but not those of another human being?

 

[Gorbachioo]

Can you explain what pain is? I'm guessing you probably can't.



Yes you do. Because i'm guessing you can't do it without using a belief, something that can't be explained purely through scientific principles.

The problem is you fail completely to understand that "wrong" is relative. "Wrong" depends on your beliefs, and your beliefs come from what's been drilled into you from an early age by your society, not from some great universal "right and wrong" manual.
Why is causing pain to a living thing wrong? Because your parents told you it was? Because that's what our society believes?
I imagine that a cat doesn't view causing pain to a mouse as something that's wrong. Now why do we have a differing view to the cat given that we are both living beings? Is the cat wrong? Should we condemn it's actions and try and teach it to respect and love mice?

Scientifically the cat is just a different evolutionary path to us. Why should we accept it's actions but not those of another human being?

Again you're using the moral relativism card without thinking about it one bit. There is no universal right or wrong but some things need to be considered wrong, and most importantly, we do.

Causing pain to an innocent person is wrong. Why? I dont know. IT JUST IS.

And why should this be aplied to animals then? Well why not? They are just as capable of feeling that pain as we are.


Talking to you about these things is useless. You use arguments that are obviously beyond your comprehension.

 

[Golena]

Causing pain to an innocent person is wrong. Why? I dont know. IT JUST IS.

Talking to you about these things is useless. You use arguments that are obviously beyond your comprehension.

Reading about what that guy was reading about is wrong. Why? I don't know. IT JUST IS.

See the similarity to your argument there?

Your entire argument is based entirely around the fact that stuff can't just be wrong because it is. Otherwise they can say anything they want is wrong and punishable by death, because it just is!

I'll help you out. Causing pain to an innocent person is wrong, because that belief stops us fighting amongst ourselves. It's a trait that we've gained through evolution, because the people who fought amongst themselves lost to the people that acted as a team. It's got nothing to do with it being right or wrong at all. It's a genetic trait.
It's actually not wrong at all, we don't do it because it's better for our species survival. See I can explain it, yet your the person who's arguing that it's wrong with no idea why. Who's the crazy person here I wonder..

 

[Platin]

Seems to me like everyone but Garbacchio is actually arguing for the sake of arguing like he said(irrationally and without much logic to it i might add).

Funny discussion though!

 

[BloodOmen]

Seems to me like everyone but Garbacchio is actually arguing for the sake of arguing like he said(irrationally and without much logic to it i might add).

Funny discussion though!

Hi Platin havent seen you around for awhile hows things?

 

[Golena]

irrationally and without much logic to it i might add

So taking the approach "Animals are the same as humans and I think killing animals is wrong but I do it anyway and that's ok, but someone killing a human because they think it's right isn't ok" is the argument that's rational and has logic?

All I was trying to do is work out if he actually has any kind of basis to back up his beliefs. I think i've managed to work out that he doesn't however. It's just his belief that he knows better than everyone else in the world and everyone should do what he says because of that. Since you can't really argue with that terrorist way of thinking then I guess it's pointless tho.