Question about df... (non-biased answers please)

[Pin]

Originally posted by Nazghul-
DR is equal to 6 trains in LA when used only for raising based damage on bot weapons. This is the reason critblades like me have LA at 12-18.

i.e. the fact that DR doesn't give styles is not an issue

Of course it raises base damage. But someone with 39+XX LA is also going to take DR to roughly the same level. You're still a long way behind, and you're still gimped to use 2 weapons with such low LA.

Yes, meleeing an Inf with a 2h-er is suicide more often than not, so PA with 2h, switch to LA either before the CD, or at least before he faces you and starts meleeing.

And I really can't believe you didn't do 2k damage in PA, CD, SS, Ham, Leap, Rib, Ham, Leap, Rib. You could do 2k on Plate in those hits, so don't start about 85af from a spec buff.

 

[Nazghul-]

Originally posted by Pin
Of course it raises base damage. But someone with 39+XX LA is also going to take DR to roughly the same level. You're still a long way behind, and you're still gimped to use 2 weapons with such low LA.

Yes, meleeing an Inf with a 2h-er is suicide more often than not, so PA with 2h, switch to LA either before the CD, or at least before he faces you and starts meleeing.

And I really can't believe you didn't do 2k damage in PA, CD, SS, Ham, Leap, Rib, Ham, Leap, Rib. You could do 2k on Plate in those hits, so don't start about 85af from a spec buff.

Yeah normally an infil is dead if he doesnt evade anytime before the end of first hamstring chain...

Heard something about some mincer+infil duo taking 4k dmg each and still lived... don't want to accuse anyone of some cheat though.

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by lorric
one SS showing one kill well thats all the proof i need ill respec back to CB and use my 2h sword only.

But one ss is enough proof to convince you that Df is overpowered.....

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by Nazghul-
Yeah normally an infil is dead if he doesnt evade anytime before the end of first hamstring chain...

Heard something about some mincer+infil duo taking 4k dmg each and still lived... don't want to accuse anyone of some cheat though.

afaik they have been reported for some kind of cheat..... not sure tho

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Nazghul-
Yeah normally an infil is dead if he doesnt evade anytime before the end of first hamstring chain...

Heard something about some mincer+infil duo taking 4k dmg each and still lived... don't want to accuse anyone of some cheat though.

possible they got lucky with ablative procs/sidi heal procs?

 

[Nazghul-]

Originally posted by Pin
Of course it raises base damage. But someone with 39+XX LA is also going to take DR to roughly the same level. You're still a long way behind, and you're still gimped to use 2 weapons with such low LA.

Yes, meleeing an Inf with a 2h-er is suicide more often than not, so PA with 2h, switch to LA either before the CD, or at least before he faces you and starts meleeing.

And I really can't believe you didn't do 2k damage in PA, CD, SS, Ham, Leap, Rib, Ham, Leap, Rib. You could do 2k on Plate in those hits, so don't start about 85af from a spec buff.

Ok two things

1) Starting with 2h and then switching to 2 weaps will mean a long delay before u can hit with cd and plenty of time for the infil/ns to time walking thru you to make it fail.

2) SB's are gimped either way they spec since they don't get as many spec points as infils. You could argue the same thing applies to ns', but then you are forgetting they don't get a penalty to damage for speccing low in celtic dual.

So in order to spec 39 la you would have to gimp yourself in other areas like weapSkill or envenom.

Anyway I'm happy with my spec I have no problems with dmg output on normal playdays.

 

[Zoldot]

Originally posted by Silenzio
mmm u rlly serious?

ok sad im at work but when i get back home ill load soms ss

ov fight between An armsman and a Savage

both unbuffed... same rr...

but the savege was res illness...(u know half ws)

AND WAS DEALING 380+ dmg on a plate wearer...

*cough* poor savege rlly have to cry

Yeah im really serious.
I didnt say an n00b armsmen could win over a savage
and its about luck,
With my thane I have duelled savage 4 times, won 3 of them.
May have duelled more but not that I can remember,
I lost to a kobbie girl savage, Meeka I think it was.
However and I can win with my thane I guess Palas can also win? and some other classes aswell, it's all about luck, tho if I dont get my slam in I probably loose.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Nazghul-
I only expect to win if I land PA chain on rogue classes (not minstrel though) and casters.

PS Using same logic you used there, you can justify that it's fair savage grps rape all other grps. After all, those other grps put themselves into that situation, they could avoid it by PvEing or crafting.

Since it was stated you purged DF (Apparently by the person you fought) , where exactly do you want us to say DF is overpowered, you lost this fight because you didnt do enough dmg.

Originally posted by dominguera
50% hp left when stun wears off, and u purged my df so.. it isnt true

Now if you didnt purge and the other post was a wind up then you lost because you were very unlucky nothing more, as it was stated several times, DF is not a guaranteed win, sure it can swing the fight but you have to land it, and from what youve said with the infil on 0.1% of his hp he was incredibly lucky to win AND live, surely DoT woulda finished off that 0.1%??

or did I miss something?

 

[infozwerg]

Anyway I'm happy with my spec I have no problems with dmg output on normal playdays.

just because you are happy doesnt mean you dont hit like a unbuffed thane.

and yes, unbuffed thanes WTFPWN undbuffed albion casters in epic armor any day of the week, but then who doesnt?

if you want to compete with high-end stealthers with your spec, just forget about it: you gonna get owned on equal terms. so either quit the whine or respec, sbs after all really hit like a truck if specced right.

oh and btw:

Larc Stoneheart Vintergatan 50 291,184 62,430 Shadowblade Norseman

you set off the noobwhine alert.

 

[Nazghul-]

Originally posted by infozwerg
just because you are happy doesnt mean you dont hit like a unbuffed thane.

and yes, unbuffed thanes WTFPWN undbuffed albion casters in epic armor any day of the week, but then who doesnt?

if you want to compete with high-end stealthers with your spec, just forget about it: you gonna get owned on equal terms. so either quit the whine or respec, sbs after all really hit like a truck if specced right.

oh and btw:

Larc Stoneheart Vintergatan 50 291,184 62,430 Shadowblade Norseman

you set off the noobwhine alert.

OK if you wanna do the duskwave thing check and wonder:
examples from the rps earned last week by top 20 sb's on excalibur:

1 Jox Jabberwock 4,600,652 78,837 50 The Overlords Norseman

14 Tonje Yoshi 1,894,397 43,714 50 Black Company Norseman

19 Asphyxiation SilverHaze 1,693,433 74,992 50 Nolby Pride Norseman

Notice how my rps earned last week is just as good as these peoples?
Must be doing something right.
Now fuck off you are the noob here.

Btw if you think I'm gonna respec because some clueless wanker on bw says so you are making a mistake.

 

[infozwerg]

shame on you for editing that nice stuff about the lobotomy

anyways im taking great pride on being called a noob from someone who hasnt enough combined rps on all his chars to get to rr6.

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by lorric
one SS showing one kill well thats all the proof i need ill respec back to CB and use my 2h sword only.

in ur sign ther CB tought was critblade ;P


btw im not cb ... just only 34cs...
but after 2h pa + cd most ov my enemy r dead or near that

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by Arnor
fucks sake, your trying to defend your class after he got the entire pa chain in on an inf, sheesh would you look at yourself?

Those comments are so funny.
SB's are the most pathetic type of players around, after the savages really.
Pre 1.62 an inf could be waiting for one of those lame ass SB's to come around using perma sprint.
The inf could set up PA, then CD, and then go about their business, only to get ganked asap when the SB got out of the stun. PA/CD did not equal victory.
SB's have never ever used PA/CD, most would walk around Emain using perma sprint and their anytime.

So now you are suprised when one time someone beats you because of a nice lvl 50 style.
In straight combat you will outdamage them easily. DF has to land if the inf is to have a chance really. Even my slash inf is still being outdamaged by SB's.

But you lose once, and start bitching about a lvl 50 style... yawn...
Regards, Glottis

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Those comments are so funny.
SB's are the most pathetic type of players around, after the savages really.
But you lose once, and start bitching about a lvl 50 style... yawn...
Regards, Glottis

wrong you are the most pathetic player i have ever seen/heard

people roll shadowblades and savages...so what

dont judge a book by its cover wank shaft

ppl like you are fucking this world up

 

[envenom]

slash inf being out damaged by sb? is he gimped?

 

[infozwerg]

Originally posted by behatch
wrong you are the most pathetic player i have ever seen/heard

people roll shadowblades and savages...so what

dont judge a book by its cover wank shaft

ppl like you are fucking this world up

dun feed teh tr0ll!

 

[Nazghul-]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
...
Even my slash inf is still being outdamaged by SB's.
...

you really should try using something other than fine alloy swords...

 

[BidAccount]

Funny.

Thread asks for non-biased answer, yet every SB post here is extremely biased.

Hey-ho....

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by envenom
slash inf being out damaged by sb? is he gimped?

Slash infil and SB will have almost same WS since not all slash infils goes 50 and will get just as much affected by debuff as a Sb....

 

[Appollo]

boost DF!

 

[andruril]

Originally posted by PainLady
Pathetic hibs pffft http://brethren.onlinecombat.com/screenshots.aspx?picture=954&pw=usok6j8ajf

i was there aswelll.... pretty damn pathetic indeed... like 5 stealthed on hill and lateron another 6 pop up and camp apk with animist pets...

oh well back to emain it is

 

[mandom]

Originally posted by andruril
i was there aswelll.... pretty damn pathetic indeed... like 5 stealthed on hill and lateron another 6 pop up and camp apk with animist pets...

oh well back to emain it is

well you aint really well known for soloing?

 

[andruril]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Those comments are so funny.
SB's are the most pathetic type of players around, after the savages really.
Pre 1.62 an inf could be waiting for one of those lame ass SB's to come around using perma sprint.
The inf could set up PA, then CD, and then go about their business, only to get ganked asap when the SB got out of the stun. PA/CD did not equal victory.
SB's have never ever used PA/CD, most would walk around Emain using perma sprint and their anytime.

So now you are suprised when one time someone beats you because of a nice lvl 50 style.
In straight combat you will outdamage them easily. DF has to land if the inf is to have a chance really. Even my slash inf is still being outdamaged by SB's.

But you lose once, and start bitching about a lvl 50 style... yawn...
Regards, Glottis

As i read just about every post Glottis makes, i have to agree with one thing.

He's the only one who acts mature about his business and comes up with PROPER arguments....
And for one, he's right! (my opinion)

All you other kids out there complaining

GloTTisS!!11!! QQ more!!

grow up all of you imo...

 

[jua-]

You stunned for 7 secs, he did for 9. All your dmg outputs were for sure higher than his since you did evade opening styles only and chains after pa wich have greater rates. All your styles are cs a chain tree common to assasins and you have relics you should have won . He has af buff you have relics.. and from experience i am sure you missed a lot after, target not in view he evaded a lot qnd so on.. or for this to happen or you are playing with epic. If you dont wear gimped items you were were extremly unclucky, the 2 more seconds that he stunned you are nothing.but then again this is the nature of the stealth fights very random outcome.

I still remember a fight with salamourhaja when they had relics i paed he attacked me i evaded i dragonfanged hammstrnig leaper rib all the way until the the stun wore off.. then he did some classic 300 dmg hits on me since he had resisted the enervating poison and nailed me.. yet i didnt whine and i suggest you do the same and learn to enjoy the game if you cant, roll for another class maybe

 

[acei]

Before the LA nerf SB's were walking about like god's in the stealther world able to kill infil's easily... now that this god like behaviour in the stealther world has been removed you complain when you're forced to actually die?

 

[jua-]

and about df. stop whining about the style if you are waiting for a nerf on the particular it ll never happen. Goa is more concerned about fg fights...besides sbs have stun moves yes harder to pul yes you have to try for it, and nightshades have a smaller duration stun too, if they nerf our stun we will be called nightshades with no uber ras and no slash resist armor .. Blame the infs spec points but enough with the df there are like 5 topics closed in this barryswhine... besides minstrels have same stun too , i cant understand why infs is all about df since there are more classes sharing this stun

 

[lorric]

Originally posted by Silenzio
in ur sign ther CB tought was critblade ;P


btw im not cb ... just only 34cs...
but after 2h pa + cd most ov my enemy r dead or near that

I was a CB i made RR5 with the spec and loved it but i got bored and needed a change to LA, but i still never ran around with a 2h sword equiped. I used it on running casters/tanks or anything that was running about solo and i was rdy for them, but i always had my 1h sword and axe equiped and rdy because 2h swords just wont get the job done against infs and the such.

 

[nalistah]

Originally posted by jua-
and about df. stop whining about the style if you are waiting for a nerf on the particular it ll never happen. Goa is more concerned about fg fights...besides sbs have stun moves yes harder to pul yes you have to try for it, and nightshades have a smaller duration stun too, if they nerf our stun we will be called nightshades with no uber ras and no slash resist armor .. Blame the infs spec points but enough with the df there are like 5 topics closed in this barryswhine... besides minstrels have same stun too , i cant understand why infs is all about df since there are more classes sharing this stun

its totally balanced that infiltrator need one evade to kill an SB?.
i HAVE to spec 10pts purge to even have the slightest chance to survive vs an infil once very 30th min.

_BALANCED_

 

[tildson]

Did u use all envenoms? 2x dots, disease, str/con-debuff. Did he purge them? Were u unlucky with crits, was he etc?

If not, then its unbalanced. Thing is u need to include all small details there is. And then you can mail Mythic telling them this story with some covering in details. It will nerf them for sure, you just need to explain for them in a clear view that you werent able to beat him - even WITH melee-relics.

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by nalistah
its totally balanced that infiltrator need one evade to kill an SB?.
i HAVE to spec 10pts purge to even have the slightest chance to survive vs an infil once very 30th min.

_BALANCED_

Nalistah are you really that dense, or do you practice a lot?

Anyone in RG - is nalistah this thick ingame?