Question about df... (non-biased answers please)

[lorric]

Originally posted by catalina
Sounds like you're using a gimped spec to me:

44 CS, let's assume standard 35 stealth/env

This leaves you with either very low weapon spec, or very low LA spec and you say you use 2 weaps and not 2h. Either way you're fucked.

If u spec like a gimp then lose, don't come to the boards whining about it, get a respec stone and sort it out.

Yea thats right he should spec

50Sword
44CS
35stealth
35envenom
15LA

I wonder why he cant .

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by old.Emma
Doing the PA chain with 2H is useless. CD is twice as likely to get evaded when using 2H than it is when duel wielding.

do you have some actual data on the fact that twohanders get more evaded than 1hander or dualwield? I read some log, but that was with tests of 100 so not really conclusive let alone which number it should say.

 

[infozwerg]

Re: Re: Re: Question about df... (non-biased answers please)

Originally posted by Nazghul-
Interesting... too bad it's completely irrelevant eh.

i > u

to me, thats pretty relevant.

 

[nalistah]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Understood.

Same breed? What - you mean someone who challenges the mistaken shadowhine perspective and asks for proof to back up your assertions? Damn - we can't be having that can we!

You get it everyday, you just dont have the brain to understand it.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by Nazghul-
I only expect to win if I land PA chain on rogue classes (not minstrel though) and casters.

PS Using same logic you used there, you can justify that it's fair savage grps rape all other grps. After all, those other grps put themselves into that situation, they could avoid it by PvEing or crafting.

Difference is you CHOOSE to fight that infiltrator.

I cannot avoid those Savages in RvR.

You got fucking stealth, try and use it = avoid classes you cannot fight.

Besides, you could simply PURGE the dragonfang. I cannot purge the damage of a savage.

When I complain about overpowered classes I get 'Use tactics, cry more noob, QQ'.

If there's one class who can quite easily avoid fights its the stealther-class. Hell buy your unique RA to escape those Dragonfang infils.

 

[december_rain]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Difference is you CHOOSE to fight that infiltrator.

I cannot avoid those Savages in RvR.

You got fucking stealth, try and use it = avoid classes you cannot fight.

Besides, you could simply PURGE the dragonfang. I cannot purge the damage of a savage.

When I complain about overpowered classes I get 'Use tactics, cry more noob, QQ'.

If there's one class who can quite easily avoid fights its the stealther-class. Hell buy your unique RA to escape those Dragonfang infils.

what are u smoking... and where are u buying it ?

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by december_rain
what are u smoking... and where are u buying it ?

Stealth = others cannot see you (from serious range).

He says he calculated the path of the infiltrator. So he could have easily avoided it.

Stealthers can AVOID fights. U know, U press that magical stealth button and all of a sudden you're close to invisible.

Ofcourse if you hang around at spots where alot of other stealthers are this rule doesnt apply, but then again: Why hang out there, U know about Dragonfang. U know about 2.5x specpoints. Still you think 'I am gonna try it and hang around at infil-stop #1 in Emain'.

If I play in fg RvR I try and avoid fights at Milegates. Because those little buggers tend to interfere in the fights and change the tide in it.

If I as NON-stealther know that, you certainly know it as stealther. So use tactics next time. OR use Purge and purge the dragonfang stun and kill him almost flawless.

 

[Cloak_]

Ill still attack ur reaver Pin


DF needs nerfing? maybe - I just purge the bugger and try to rip the em a new one

Btw how is that guys spec gimped?

Only thing that needs balancing is the 2.2 - 2.5 spec pnts

Leave DF as it is imo

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

tbh quit or reroll or check your not res sick

If you cant kill an inf with an entire pa chain and 2 lots of 3 chained styles + procs/debuffs/poison.... (so thats what NINE styled hits)

1kdmg from pa chain?
1500 dmg from the 2 chains?
250dmg from poison ?
?250? dmg from a con debuff ?
100dmg from procs/dot ?
-------
3100 <<<<??????!!!j

in all honesty you deserved to lose.

 

[Cloak_]

Originally posted by old.BJ|Bored
tbh quit or reroll or check your not res sick

If you cant kill an inf with an entire pa chain and 2 lots of 3 chained styles + procs/debuffs/poison.... (so thats what NINE styled hits)

1kdmg from pa chain?
1500 dmg from the 2 chains?
250dmg from poison ?
?250? dmg from a con debuff ?
100dmg from procs/dot ?
-------
3100 <<<<??????!!!j

in all honesty you deserved to lose.

Id love to get close to that dmg as an ns

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

i expect you do with the speed a ns hits youd get more hits in, maybe 12 ? + your dds (recast timer low enough to get 4 out ?) / viper

In fact id expect ns to have a higher dmg output.

 

[Cloak_]

Recast timer is 20 secs :x (thats if im not tired and imagining numbers lol)

Attack spd is no different,

We all get more or less the same spd weps

O and Viper I wouldnt expect to have untill rr7 or so at the very least

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

ns hit me scarily fast compared to sbs is what im basing it on, assume its luri quickness.

and if its 20sec youd probs get it in twice ;o

 

[Cloak_]

Wee 2 resists (and uses end dont forget)

I use it every fight

 

[catalina]

Originally posted by lorric
Yea thats right he should spec

50Sword
44CS
35stealth
35envenom
15LA

I wonder why he cant .

Yes and i'd like to hit with both weapons every round, guaranteed. But hey u can't have it all.

SB's have arguably the highest damage output of all the assassin classes, giving them 2.5 spec points would be insane. IMO all they need is a thrust line which includes a ~6s stun off evade.

 

[freeco]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Stealth = others cannot see you (from serious range).

He says he calculated the path of the infiltrator. So he could have easily avoided it.

Stealthers can AVOID fights. U know, U press that magical stealth button and all of a sudden you're close to invisible.

Ofcourse if you hang around at spots where alot of other stealthers are this rule doesnt apply, but then again: Why hang out there, U know about Dragonfang. U know about 2.5x specpoints. Still you think 'I am gonna try it and hang around at infil-stop #1 in Emain'.

If I play in fg RvR I try and avoid fights at Milegates. Because those little buggers tend to interfere in the fights and change the tide in it.

If I as NON-stealther know that, you certainly know it as stealther. So use tactics next time. OR use Purge and purge the dragonfang stun and kill him almost flawless.

Common plz, where do you buy the stuff? Tell us!

Dragonfang4tehwin!!1

 

[Nazghul-]

Originally posted by old.BJ|Bored
tbh quit or reroll or check your not res sick

If you cant kill an inf with an entire pa chain and 2 lots of 3 chained styles + procs/debuffs/poison.... (so thats what NINE styled hits)

1kdmg from pa chain?
1500 dmg from the 2 chains?
250dmg from poison ?
?250? dmg from a con debuff ?
100dmg from procs/dot ?
-------
3100 <<<<??????!!!j

in all honesty you deserved to lose.

LoL you have obviously never played a sb.

Those kind of figures might be more realistic against an unbuffed caster. Not leather wearing af buffed infils.

 

[Nazghul-]

Originally posted by Cloak_
Ill still attack ur reaver Pin


DF needs nerfing? maybe - I just purge the bugger and try to rip the em a new one

Btw how is that guys spec gimped?

Only thing that needs balancing is the 2.2 - 2.5 spec pnts

Leave DF as it is imo

It's not just df that is the problem - sb's suffer much much more when debuffed (all assassins use debuff) and count in that sb's usually have lower spec pts they almost always have lower weapSkill from the start so it gets even worse.
Solution - give dex/str based (maybe make swords dex/str for sbs) weaps or dex/qui debuffs.

We can't choose dmg source.
Solution - give thrust (crush? ) line.

The LA mechanics punish sbs for not speccing high in it - thereby forcing sbs to sacrifice important pts elsewhere.
Solution - give 2.5 spec pts

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Zoldot
First of all to you who posted above me, you actually think savage is overpowered tank vs tank dont you? I bet u never met one and just follow the other whiners who say they're overpowered. Since there are probably some tanks who win vs savages 1 on 1 and several who do a close fight....


Pin and you guys telling he could have picked a better target.
Yes he could but I dont see the point in that? it still shows that infil is overpowered and stuff. so he was lucky who got PA,CD,etc,etc,etc in. and then when the infil has 0.1% hp left he get dragonffang in and wins, thats overpowered.
and yes he deserved to win! since he obviously played better then the infil at that moment.

btw, keep the good work up poopy!
You know I love your'e posts

mmm u rlly serious?

ok sad im at work but when i get back home ill load soms ss

ov fight between An armsman and a Savage

both unbuffed... same rr...

but the savege was res illness...(u know half ws)

AND WAS DEALING 380+ dmg on a plate wearer...

*cough* poor savege rlly have to cry

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Arnor
2h aer teh suxx

http://sshotholder.tripod.com/2shot2h.jpg

u sure?

this cobbi sb was lower rr than the inf who got killed...

and that happened 2 weeks ago...


note again... KOBOLD so way lesser ws/damage than a norse



i use 2h on pa with my sb and rlly dont regreat it

p.s.
copy and paste link pls

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by nalistah
You get it everyday, you just dont have the brain to understand it.

Nope.

Not happened.

Lots of whines, posting of style descriptions, opinions, and the odd out of context log. Not a single scrap of hard data though.

But obviously, if you believe there has been a comprehensive test with clear data you'll be able to post it won't you?

 

[Haldar]

have +14 to all skills and DR2 which gives a final LA spec at 15+14+12=41

/sigh

how many times should i say....

DR is not equal 6 trains in LA!!

a train in LA
1) increases base damage of both weapons
2) gives styles
3) increases damage on LA styles
4) decreases offhand damage variance

DR

1) increases base damage of both weapons
2) DOES NOT give styles
3) DOES NOT increase damage on LA styles
4) DOES NOT decrease offhand damage variance

imo low LA (39-) specs are gimpy. unless u are pure CB.

Difference is you CHOOSE to fight that infiltrator.

I cannot avoid those Savages in RvR.

You got fucking stealth, try and use it = avoid classes you cannot fight.

Besides, you could simply PURGE the dragonfang. I cannot purge the damage of a savage.

When I complain about overpowered classes I get 'Use tactics, cry more noob, QQ'.

If there's one class who can quite easily avoid fights its the stealther-class. Hell buy your unique RA to escape those Dragonfang infils.

purge would be equal to dfang if dfang would be turned into RA with 10 rsp cost and 30 min timer. Besides, purge is not our unique RA.

do you have some actual data on the fact that twohanders get more evaded than 1hander or dualwield? I read some log, but that was with tests of 100 so not really conclusive let alone which number it should say.

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=57825386&replies=5

and i know Vexxen doesnt post bullshit. mostly. tho he's infil and defends his class....but this test is irrelevant to this fact.

SB's have arguably the highest damage output of all the assassin classes, giving them 2.5 spec points would be insane. IMO all they need is a thrust line which includes a ~6s stun off evade.

1. highest damae output? lol!
2. we need str/dex thrust weapon with 7+ stun off evade and a decent (set of) RA(s). Then the balance (more-less rough) will be achieved.

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by Nazghul-
Stop being so biased and ask yourselves if the following event was fair or not.

I see an infil move down from atk in emain. I plot his direction and line up for a pa (he stealthes at the slope down from atk). Contact is made and i nail the entire pa->cd->ss chain. After stuns wear off i get some luck with evades and get in 2 hamstring->leaper->rib separation chains. When victory is at hand (1 or 2 more hits on the infil) he evades and land DRAGONFANG. Can only watch in despair how he decimates my hitbar and then kills me having 1/1000 hits left himself.

During this encounter i did everything right and was extremely lucky with all my styles. Still I lose. All because of 1 dragonfang.

We both were fully buffed etc.

I think i deserved to win don't you?

Indeed that is lucky and i truely feels that you should have won...

(Sorry bout next part)
This reminds me about pre 1.62 when infils would get full PA chain in then get melee'd to death without any use of reactionary styles, now that sucks!

 

[MesS°]

Originally posted by old.Nol
I don't get it...how come the superior middy skills don't work here, do all the crap players in mid become shadowblades?

HAHAHahahahaha gotta see this again...

 

[BidAccount]

hehehehe

Yeah - what happened to the famed midgard 'uberleet' skills? You don't mean it was all down to overpowered classes - say it isn't so?

 

[old.m0000]

Originally posted by Nazghul-
Stop being so biased and ask yourselves if the following event was fair or not.

I see an infil move down from atk in emain. I plot his direction and line up for a pa (he stealthes at the slope down from atk). Contact is made and i nail the entire pa->cd->ss chain. After stuns wear off i get some luck with evades and get in 2 hamstring->leaper->rib separation chains. When victory is at hand (1 or 2 more hits on the infil) he evades and land DRAGONFANG. Can only watch in despair how he decimates my hitbar and then kills me having 1/1000 hits left himself.

During this encounter i did everything right and was extremely lucky with all my styles. Still I lose. All because of 1 dragonfang.

We both were fully buffed etc.

I think i deserved to win don't you?

So tell me if this is fair:

A SB can attack me before i even see him and have hit me for ~500 on chain with 1 hit, also landed a DoT for ~60 on me, have me start bleeding at 4, and debuff my hp from a total of 1900 odd to 1400 odd, and debuff my melee stat (str) from 300 odd to 180 odd.

All that in 1 hit

Not fair imo.

nerf all assasins.

 

[Nazghul-]

Re: Re: Question about df... (non-biased answers please)

Originally posted by Aybabtu
Indeed that is lucky and i truely feels that you should have won...

(Sorry bout next part)
This reminds me about pre 1.62 when infils would get full PA chain in then get melee'd to death without any use of reactionary styles, now that sucks!

Glad you understand me. At least one of the infils on this server has a brain.

Sorry you were owned pretty much the same way by sb's before 1.62, not that mine had dinged 50 yet or anything then but still.

These days daoc boils down to choosing the right class and having the best buffbot ;(

 

[Nazghul-]

Originally posted by Haldar
have +14 to all skills and DR2 which gives a final LA spec at 15+14+12=41

/sigh

how many times should i say....

DR is not equal 6 trains in LA!!

a train in LA
1) increases base damage of both weapons
2) gives styles
3) increases damage on LA styles
4) decreases offhand damage variance

DR

1) increases base damage of both weapons
2) DOES NOT give styles
3) DOES NOT increase damage on LA styles
4) DOES NOT decrease offhand damage variance

imo low LA (39-) specs are gimpy. unless u are pure CB.
...

DR is equal to 6 trains in LA when used only for raising based damage on bot weapons. This is the reason critblades like me have LA at 12-18.

i.e. the fact that DR doesn't give styles is not an issue

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Cloak_
Attack spd is no different,

We all get more or less the same spd weps

Except you have conc haste on Druids. SBs would need 2 bots for that

 

[lorric]

Originally posted by Silenzio
http://sshotholder.tripod.com/2shot2h.jpg

u sure?

this cobbi sb was lower rr than the inf who got killed...

and that happened 2 weeks ago...


note again... KOBOLD so way lesser ws/damage than a norse



i use 2h on pa with my sb and rlly dont regreat it

p.s.
copy and paste link pls

one SS showing one kill well thats all the proof i need ill respec back to CB and use my 2h sword only.