QQ Mereg AoD

[Chrystina]

Just going to clear up a few points.
AFK exping where you set a pet to aggro in a crowd of neutral mobs isn't per se against the CoC.

hooray! time to roll a cabby so I can PL my own chars over night while sleeping!

 

[unywien]

I'sn't getting someone killed on purpose like a nogo?
Would be well funny when you do it on someone who isn't afk.
The way i see it you are no different than anyone else you can't go around exp killing anyone you think is cheating. Theres a saying in Hungarian:
Bagoly mondja verebnek nagy feju.

 

[leviathane]

delibertly xp killing someone is worse that afk xp'ing, nothing really wrong with going afk, if you have the class to do it why not?

 

[Chrystina]

He didnt run around in circles, he was turning around , as his left arrow button was pushed in and there was some weight on it.

and that _IS_ a breach of the CoC:

The user must be positioned at his or her screen whenever his or her character performs an action that normally requires human intervention (activating a macro, issuing a command, pressing a button, etc.).

as he IS performing an action that normaly requires human intervention. the char doesn't turn around by itself, now does he? a key needs to be pressed to initiate the turn ... hence putting a cup on one of the keys and then going to bed is 101% against the CoC ... and don't start to quote Requiel's post as he is correct as well of course as long as the the char in question is NOT doing anything else than just standing there while his pet is killing mobs ... however, by putting this cup on his keys he IS doing something while being afk, no matter in which way you look at it :touch:
otherwise i could just make a device that hits a key every now and then and claim: hey, I'm not macro crafting! I'm not running any 3rd party software you see?! :wub:
anyway, enuff rant ... being bored at work on a friday is EVIL, I'm telling ya

 

[NeonBlue]

heh lol do what u want, just one little thing.

If you would look around more in alb, or in anywhere imo, u would see that loads, and loads of ppl are doing this. As well you should report every afk-crafting ppl ? which means at least half of the daoc population :>

well nm still morning here, and do whatever you want if you feel its right, jsut think about it

/edit , before you say I didnt mean its alright he can do it , because no its against the rules, and I am sure it will not happen again.

just coz loads of ppl are doing doesnt make it right...

and with ppl like u defending it...doesnt help....but didnt expect anything less from AoD !

 

[NeonBlue]

lol did I say this ? no.. As I corrected myself just before your post I know its against the rules and no its not right, and we will tell him not to do this again.

I just wanted to say that many ppl doing this (not in aod but in the realm, every realm, ever server I m sure) to make macro and let it to craft or something, I have seen it from many ppl in albion thats why I say it.

Anyway, it is still against the daoc rules, and not allowed to use, so if you see him doing this again , just report on Rightnow, but I am sure it wont happen again, we will inform Mereg about this, I think he didnt know that its illegal.

course he didnt !

 

[Aoln]

Anyone know where some neutral lvl20ish mobs are now that this isn't illegal?

 

[Miff]

Anyone know where some neutral lvl20ish mobs are now that this isn't illegal?

As pretty obviously stated by Requiel. If someone reports Mareg then im pretty sure he will get a severe punishment as well if it can be proven that he was running around while AFK. In similiar cases people have gotten account terminated.

That in itself means that it´s absolutely obvious its against rules to afk exp solo if you are afk more than 29 minutes since after that time you go LD unless any human interaction.

And im wondering why he would lie of beeing reported already. Afraid to get caught of the obvious cheating involved? So if people thought he was already reported they wouldn´t bother. Well folks I for one won´t report him cause I find the punishments dealt out earlier this week way to harsch and I wish no one that harm.

 

[NeonBlue]

I hope you all will be Very Happy If he gets banned.

If you success you will get banned an rr8+ armsman who just wanted a second char, and trust me i know him very well, he is one of the clean players from rvr and thats the most i respect.

i would be bey happy if he got banned...no less than he/she deservers....dont care what RR he is...

if he wanted a 2nd char he should of Xp'ed it like everyone else does !!

clean players?.....that clean he cheats? LOL!

 

[NeonBlue]

Ok afk exping is bad, agreed.
But to deliberately exp kill someone is just griefing plain and simple, regardless of what they were doing.

So if they ban him, they should ban Kreig too imo.

maybe kreig was just testing (as he put)...that he/she was truly AFK before deciding on what to ?....and theres only 1 way u can really do that

 

[Uberlama]

neonblue: I dont know whats your problem with AoD, as I dont think we did any bad to you, especially as ur not playing if I m right. Anyway I dont care, as this is the whine forum as someone said.
I would say that Mereg's english is bad enough not to understand what is in the coc, however its not an excuse, but thats why he cant defend himself. Someone have to defend him against ppl like you, Kerig and others, and thats why their guildmembers stay on his side.
anyway as there is no report, technically he didnt a cheater, nor pulled others mobs there is no point anymore in this thread imo.

(and yes my english is bad too I know )

 

[Miff]

i would be bey happy if he got banned...no less than he/she deservers....dont care what RR he is...

if he wanted a 2nd char he should of Xp'ed it like everyone else does !!

clean players?.....that clean he cheats? LOL!

Then report him so GOA can do a investigation. I doubt they do it from FH posts,only via reports sent in via rightnow.

But nothing will be be done what I understand without report. Im not sure I am correct?

 

[Uberlama]

i would be bey happy if he got banned...no less than he/she deservers....dont care what RR he is...

if he wanted a 2nd char he should of Xp'ed it like everyone else does !!

lol when you say this , my mind was jsut suddenly filled with memories about xping in hib at fins. thats much more worse than what Mereg did once. Fins is still afk-xpers paradise.

 

[Miff]

To uberlama: What you don´t seem to understand is that this is nothing against AOD , its about cheats. One person ( Juj ) got permanetly banned for same behaviour. And this guy also obviously cheated when SOLOing and SOLO states that it has nothing to do with your guild.

 

[Uberlama]

mrmiff: yes I read the other forum and I dont agree with the punsihment, ban for macro crafting.. jsut ehh nm, crafting is very boring in daoc and I know loads of crafters in albion who used macro to achive LGM level, however I didnt even think about report them. Ban for it just too much, suspend for a week or degree his skills to 0 is enough imo.

I just cant understand why have to whine this much about one ppl who made something that game afford, and loads others doing it not just in albion who didnt get fh forum for it..

 

[Arabelus]

just coz loads of ppl are doing doesnt make it right...

and with ppl like u defending it...doesnt help....but didnt expect anything less from AoD !

Tbh that does not sounds like pointing at a solo member

 

[NeonBlue]

Then report him so GOA can do a investigation. I doubt they do it from FH posts,only via reports sent in via rightnow.

But nothing will be be done what I understand without report. Im not sure I am correct?

cant report without evidence...otherwise i would

i too read the "crafting" thread...and thought the punishment was harsh ....but if they are gonna clean the game of cheats...then GOA/Mythic need to make sure they take the same stance on any form of cheating

You cant permban a crafter 1 day but let an afk xp'er off the next day...but then again if the incident hasnt been reported and theres no evidence...then not much GOA can do

Though am very suprised Requiel has said that "AFK exping where you set a pet to aggro in a crowd of neutral mobs isn't per se against the CoC"

When the EULA/CoC states like Chrystina pointed out that "The user must be positioned at his or her screen whenever his or her character performs an action that normally requires human intervention (activating a macro, issuing a command, pressing a button, etc.)"

Putting a pet on aggro, and killing mobs might not be against the EULA/CoC....but surely spinning around on the spot for god knows how long, whilst ur pet kills and u do nothing else is?

As for the cup on the keyboard...this to me might aswell be a 3rd party program....because its changing how the game works...its allowing the player to do something that they shouldnt be allowed to, unless using human interaction. Hes afk so there is no human interaction...so therefore to me...hes quite plain and simple a cheater....end of !


Kreig...if you was clear in ur mind that he was cheating you should of reported him...then posted....not post and no report

this way uve just confused ppl on whats right & wrong

But hopefully we now might get an offical stance on it and maybe it wont happen so much

 

[Miff]

Neonblue: Log files will probably be checked. And im certain they can directly see it ... They just need the "go" signal from Rightnow... But imho report only if you find it fair. Cause chance is he might get a permaban and you want that on your concience?(however you spell that word)

 

[NeonBlue]

neonblue: I dont know whats your problem with AoD, as I dont think we did any bad to you, especially as ur not playing if I m right. Anyway I dont care, as this is the whine forum as someone said.
I would say that Mereg's english is bad enough not to understand what is in the coc, however its not an excuse, but thats why he cant defend himself. Someone have to defend him against ppl like you, Kerig and others, and thats why their guildmembers stay on his side.
anyway as there is no report, technically he didnt a cheater, nor pulled others mobs there is no point anymore in this thread imo.

(and yes my english is bad too I know )

techical no he didnt cheat...but only coz he didnt get reported....but id would like to think...the SENSIBLE ppl who have read this post and the crafting post....can see that there isnt much between the 2 incidents...and if the crafter got banned...then this should also apply to your friend !

otherwise GOA could be putting themselves in a very tight spot

Yes ur right...just because someone doesnt understand English well enough to understand the EULA/CoC....that DOES NOT give them the right to abuse it !

Defend him from ppl like me?.....why because i think its wrong what he has done and should be punished for it?

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

i would be bey happy if he got banned...no less than he/she deservers....dont care what RR he is...

if he wanted a 2nd char he should of Xp'ed it like everyone else does !!

clean players?.....that clean he cheats? LOL!

I remember when ppl accidentally downloaded US patch and the keeps were changed so you could just walk through the 2nd door and pwn somebody inside. I had reported 2 hibs for doing this, and they did only got a single warning afaik. If I have to compare this and Mereg's afk xping, and Mereg deserve a ban than those hibs had to be shot in the head and kill them family and all relatives. Ahh, and there are radar users...

And no, I'm against cheats and cheater, but there are degrees of 'cheating', not all of them have to be punished wiith instaban.

 

[NeonBlue]

Tbh that does not sounds like pointing at a solo member

After playing the game for so long...and reading these boards...u get to judge how certain ppl will repsond to certain things...but that doesnt mean i have anything against anyone or any guild....coz frankly i dont!

 

[NeonBlue]

Neonblue: Log files will probably be checked. And im certain they can directly see it ... They just need the "go" signal from Rightnow... But imho report only if you find it fair. Cause chance is he might get a permaban and you want that on your concience?(however you spell that word)

Well am hoping that now Requiel has seen the thread for himself...that he might take it upon himself to look into it...and then come back to us with an offical answer

After reading the thread early this morning...think i was the 3rd person to reply to it...i PM'ed Req...asking for him to take a look at this thread to see what he thought...and only thing i said in that PM was..."This thread might be worth taking a look at ....sounds dodgy to me"

Am in no postion to report it properly and nor would i...as i wasnt there...i didnt see what was going on...and ive no evidence

So some may ask well why the hell are u kicking up such as fuss about it then?....well simple answer is...though i dont know Kreig...from his posts and replies ive seen throughout the boards...he comes across as a pretty fair and neutral chap...and stands up for whats right

 

[Smellysox]

Try the cup thing thing but spilt coffee all over my keyboard and my mouse has gone aLL STICKY awell ill give it another go !! <AFK> \O/

 

[NeonBlue]

I remember when ppl accidentally downloaded US patch and the keeps were changed so you could just walk through the 2nd door and pwn somebody inside. I had reported 2 hibs for doing this, and they did only got a single warning afaik. If I have to compare this and Mereg's afk xping, and Mereg deserve a ban than those hibs had to be shot in the head and kill them family and all relatives. Ahh, and there are radar users...

And no, I'm against cheats and cheater, but there are degrees of 'cheating', not all of them have to be punished wiith instaban.

nope not all have to be punished with permban...and i agree with that...but as already posted above, when someone is afk and altering the game mechanics...and making the game "think" ur at the keyboard when ur not...then thats been done on purpose..therefore thats cheating purposefully for ur own gains

 

[IainC]

cant report without evidence...otherwise i would

i too read the "crafting" thread...and thought the punishment was harsh ....but if they are gonna clean the game of cheats...then GOA/Mythic need to make sure they take the same stance on any form of cheating

You cant permban a crafter 1 day but let an afk xp'er off the next day...but then again if the incident hasnt been reported and theres no evidence...then not much GOA can do

Though am very suprised Requiel has said that "AFK exping where you set a pet to aggro in a crowd of neutral mobs isn't per se against the CoC"

When the EULA/CoC states like Chrystina pointed out that "The user must be positioned at his or her screen whenever his or her character performs an action that normally requires human intervention (activating a macro, issuing a command, pressing a button, etc.)"

Putting a pet on aggro, and killing mobs might not be against the EULA/CoC....but surely spinning around on the spot for god knows how long, whilst ur pet kills and u do nothing else is?

As for the cup on the keyboard...this to me might aswell be a 3rd party program....because its changing how the game works...its allowing the player to do something that they shouldnt be allowed to, unless using human interaction. Hes afk so there is no human interaction...so therefore to me...hes quite plain and simple a cheater....end of !


Kreig...if you was clear in ur mind that he was cheating you should of reported him...then posted....not post and no report

this way uve just confused ppl on whats right & wrong

But hopefully we now might get an offical stance on it and maybe it wont happen so much

It's very simple. If your character is doing something in game that would normally need you to push a button or type in a command then you must be there to push that button or type that command.

Scenario 1: AFK Theurgist sits in group with pbt running. Does nothing else. Is sat at the back and will eventually go linkdead when the game detects he's been inactive for long enough. - No infringement. He was present to push the pbt button and isn't taking any other actions while afk.

Scenario 2: Cabalist sets pets to aggro and goes afk. Does nothing else and will eventually go linkdead when game detects he has been inactive for long enough. - No infringement as long as pet does not attack mobs already pulled by another player.

Scenario 3: Animist sets up shroom field, jams down shroom button and goes afk. - Infringement. As he is not there to press the shroom button he is in breach of the CoC.

Scenario 4: Bonedancer sets pets to aggro, and sets a macro to cast a buff spell every few seconds to avoid going linkdead. - Infringement. As he is not there to press the buff button he is in breach of the CoC.

In situations 3 and 4 though one is a 'hardware hack' by jamming down a button or placing a weight on the keyboard, and one is abuse of a third party program, both are punishable. We will tend to be harder on the third party program user but that doesn't preclude us taking harsher action against the person in scenario 3 if the situation warrants it.

In any case where you suspect that someone is doing something wrong, we urge you to report it even if you don't have evidence. We'll investigate and if there is any evidence of wrongdoing then we'll act. In many cases it's very hard or impossible for a player without access to the tools that a GM has to gather meaningful evidence. If there's nothing wrong, then no-one gets punished and no reputations are smeared from a unsupported accusation.

 

[Kreig]

Exactly how does his "aFk" xp session effect you? ... cant really see hes been bothering anyone.

Well actually the camp he was doing it on i was actually planing to xp normally on... You know by pressing buttons targeting monsters and stuff, instead there is blantently someone abusing game code....

That is lame.....

 

[Kreig]

Ok afk exping is bad, agreed.
But to deliberately exp kill someone is just griefing plain and simple, regardless of what they were doing.

So if they ban him, they should ban Kreig too imo.

Not at all.... I DIDNT KILL HIM, just because a high con mob happened to be attacking me in the vacinity of his "auto agro pet" then tough shit. I sat there for an hr + watching this pet chain monsters while this person does FA.

Besides that Visit ur much a hypocrit like the next man... I could of easily said yes i know... I 'll get logs of were Visit admited he used Radar to catch other ppl using radar. But i didnt becuase that was a possitive gesture towards a popular crime.

 

[Kreig]

Scenario 3: Animist sets up shroom field, jams down shroom button and goes afk. - Infringement. As he is not there to press the shroom button he is in breach of the CoC.

Scenario 4: Bonedancer sets pets to aggro, and sets a macro to cast a buff spell every few seconds to avoid going linkdead. - Infringement. As he is not there to press the buff button he is in breach of the CoC.

In situations 3 and 4 though one is a 'hardware hack' by jamming down a button or placing a weight on the keyboard, and one is abuse of a third party program, both are punishable. We will tend to be harder on the third party program user but that doesn't preclude us taking harsher action against the person in scenario 3 if the situation warrants it.

In any case where you suspect that someone is doing something wrong, we urge you to report it even if you don't have evidence. We'll investigate and if there is any evidence of wrongdoing then we'll act. In many cases it's very hard or impossible for a player without access to the tools that a GM has to gather meaningful evidence. If there's nothing wrong, then no-one gets punished and no reputations are smeared from a unsupported accusation.

So that cabalist was blatent abusing... Glad that was cleared up.

 

[Kreig]

Could someone please explain how you can run around in circles while AFK when not using a 3rd party program. If you give explanation to that occurance I will agree a warning is in the right place.

Press talk/chat key (mine = enter still) then just simply hold down the left or right directional key somehow (Sellotape, heavy object etc). I dont think it was macro'ed at all, wasnt very complex what was happening with no variation what so ever.

 

[Kreig]

I remember when ppl accidentally downloaded US patch and the keeps were changed so you could just walk through the 2nd door and pwn somebody inside. I had reported 2 hibs for doing this, and they did only got a single warning afaik. If I have to compare this and Mereg's afk xping, and Mereg deserve a ban than those hibs had to be shot in the head and kill them family and all relatives. Ahh, and there are radar users...

And no, I'm against cheats and cheater, but there are degrees of 'cheating', not all of them have to be punished wiith instaban.

This is quite true, but the CoC and Eula are hardly brilliant and the way it is enforced is also quite fickle, perhaps this is because it is only based on reports/ss/videos and actual goa staff investigating a certain player.