QQ Mereg AoD

[Tafaya Anathas]

Afk xping is illegal and ppl have been banned for it.

Mkay, next time I saw a "lvl 50 ice wiz with alt lfg AC grp" I'll report him immediatly...

 

[Uberlama]

lol irl tbh ... look at Uberlama's comments here (he's AoD officer) and make up your mind what they would have done if he was just reported to an officer: NOTHING

lol I dont understand you tbh. I said we warned mereg and explained the situation to him. Told him not to do anything while he is afk again. I dont know what else should we do..
(btw he got reported via rightnow and already got mail but its none of your business what was in it, just check /who mereg now ingame an you will see if he is guilty, if he is then he shouldnt be online right ? well he is online , end of discussion imo)

 

[Thundercat]

Mkay, next time I saw a "lvl 50 ice wiz with alt lfg AC grp" I'll report him immediatly...

Being afk while making others do the job isn't quite the same thing. Making your pet do the job for in aggro mode you and using some means to keep you in movement so you won't disconnect is the "illegal" part.

Are you acting like that because it's an member of AoD in question or just because you really think so?

 

[Uberlama]

Being afk while making others do the job isn't quite the same thing. Making your pet do the job for in aggro mode you and using some means to keep you in movement so you won't disconnect is the "illegal" part.

Are you acting like that because it's an member of AoD in question or just because you really think so?

I think he just feel the same as me. You are just making to big thing about this.
As we warned him, he got reported, he got answer from rightnow, there is nothing to discuss about, as he is not guilty, but keep this thread on and have fun with blameing someone if you dont have better thing to do.

 

[Poag]

Jumping to conclusion are we... already branded him as cheater even tho he is not? ALB STYLE!

guilty until proven innocent by a grand jury of small elfs crossed with kobbies. With proceedings taking place in the firey pits of hell with satan providing drinks and refreashments....ie...doesn't happen

oh and if afk xping is bad...does that mean whenever someone goes afk in a exp-grp they should be banned? i mean i've known people go afk for a couple of hours....and what about back in the old days when earth theurs would just start pbt and disappear while camping witherwoods


Twin standards are a bad thing....i think the line is...Do as i say not as i do

ps- I've done this on my cabb for..oh....15-25 minutes while i cooked some lunch...does this mad me a bad person? Nup just using the tools i am given and making myself some lunch

 

[Gorryk]

afk xping is against the eula, and inconsiderate to other players. I remember trying to xp my inf in keltoi ages ago, and having a cabby with a buffed pet leech off me as his pet randomly attacked mobs I was fighting, whilst the cabby sat there afk... Further more, if people can justify themselves breaking the eula for something like this, it's only a small step to justifying other cheats... What you are saying is almost liek saying shop lifters should be let off as it's only a minor crime, but you'll be the one crying when they rob your own house...

I can't believe I get flamed for supporting the EULA. Just shows the mentality of most albs here... Stick up for your mates even when they are in the wrong... If GOA don;t enforce their EULA in these situations and at least warn the guy about afk macroing/exping etc, it makes the entire thing a joke....

 

[Miff]

guilty until proven innocent by a grand jury of small elfs crossed with kobbies. With proceedings taking place in the firey pits of hell with satan providing drinks and refreashments....ie...doesn't happen

oh and if afk xping is bad...does that mean whenever someone goes afk in a exp-grp they should be banned? i mean i've known people go afk for a couple of hours....and what about back in the old days when earth theurs would just start pbt and disappear while camping witherwoods


Twin standards are a bad thing....i think the line is...Do as i say not as i do

There is huge difference between solo afk exping and in group afk exping. When someone is in a group and goes AFK its not he does the damage to mobs it´s the other group members who aren´t afk. When someone is solo and getting experience when AFK thats in my book cheating.

What annoys me most is that Juj does something "less" bad and he gets instant ban. And for the record i don´t even know Juj I am just seeing unfair treatment.

 

[Arabelus]

Come on folks grab some common sense here
Yep, what he did was not fair got his warning about it from the officers.
But, there was no 3rd party program involved, so if being afk while the action is going is that very wrong, then bann all necro PL (afk toon here while getting xp right?), bann all ice wizzy, paladin, fop cleric with alt looking for ac (afk toon here while getting xp right?) and also taking a bit further hell bann all buffbots well those are afk big time while the action is going

So chill out

 

[Cirandi]

Mkay, next time I saw a "lvl 50 ice wiz with alt lfg AC grp" I'll report him immediatly...

There's quite a difference... The ice wiz with alt is'nt afk for starters
An afk cabby with pet on aggro isn't aware of the actions his pet is taking...

Say a group of wee xp'ers want to hunt some dartmoor ponys and a cabby is there afk xping with his pet on aggro... If the pet attacks a mob the other group is fighting it's clearly a breach of the CoC (can't attack a mob already engaged by another player bla bla...).

Now put an ice wizzy + alt in the cabbys position...

I find it highly unlikely that the wizzys alt would run off and attack random mobs beyond the ice wizards control, don't you?

 

[Miff]

Come on folks grab some common sense here
Yep, what he did was not fair got his warning about it from the officers.
But, there was no 3rd party program involved, so if being afk while the action is going is that very wrong, then bann all necro PL (afk toon here while getting xp right?), bann all ice wizzy, paladin, fop cleric with alt looking for ac (afk toon here while getting xp right?) and also taking a bit further hell bann all buffbots well those are afk big time while the action is going

So chill out

Could someone please explain how you can run around in circles while AFK when not using a 3rd party program. If you give explanation to that occurance I will agree a warning is in the right place.

 

[Mybuddies]

Lol

I don't like cheaters. I don't like macroers. But there is a 'grey' area in between. This guy was not taking advantage of a cheat; he was taking advantage of the fact that if you park a Cabby pet on a low spawn area it will happily kill away without you needing to do anything. Except of course remember to press a key every 29 minutes before you go afk.

Imo the problem really is that no class should be able to do this. It's not fair on the rest of us that have to tank or cast away getting RSI for hours.

Strictly speaking, Mereg should not have put a cup on his keyboard. He should have come back every 29 minutes and pressed the key himself.

However, there is a lot of hypocrisy going on here. Let's be honest; if you had a character you could just leave to xp while you did something more interesting, wouldn't you? What about all the people who go afk while they get powerlevelled? Or the people who are powerlevelling their own toons on an ALT-TAB; technically they aren't controlling their toons.

By the way, I've actually seen Cabby guides posted which extoll the virutes of doing exactly this. Quoting from one, it said pretty much 'get your sapphire, park it in a blue con spawn, go to bed'. How on earth can it be right that a class can have that ability?

 

[Uberlama]

Could someone please explain how you can run around in circles while AFK when not using a 3rd party program. If you give explanation to that occurance I will agree a warning is in the right place.

He didnt run around in circles, he was turning around , as his left arrow button was pushed in and there was some weight on it.

Lol I just remember when I was playing excal/hib every fekin animist did the same in CF, as I was the lootboi with my bard and everyone else was afk, as animists put some weight on the shroomer button, droods made macros to place fop alts were afk ofc and only me wasnt afk while I was getting loot. so I should have report them all for cheating, afk-exping ? then ban whole hibernia ?

 

[Mercy]

As mentioned in this thread earlier.

Just put some weight on Left/Right key ...

There ya go !

 

[Arabelus]

Could someone please explain how you can run around in circles while AFK when not using a 3rd party program. If you give explanation to that occurance I will agree a warning is in the right place.

He put his cup on the left arrow key. That simple.

 

[Miff]

He put his cup on the left arrow key. That simple.

That is same thing as cheating , you affect a game by out of game circumstances. A cup on keyboard is no better than using a 3rd party macro program. They serve the same purpose.

 

[Gorryk]

so I should have report them all for cheating, afk-exping ? then ban whole hibernia ?

I'd give them all warnings, then suspensions, then bannings but yeah... GOA/Mythic need to be tough on people who break the EULA... people will stop doing it if they see the warnings/bannigns taking place. AFK shroomers are the bane of hibernia atm, locking up the best levelling spots whilst afk so some way of deterring that action would be welcome in my opinion...

 

[Ctuchik]

Come on folks grab some common sense here
Yep, what he did was not fair got his warning about it from the officers.
But, there was no 3rd party program involved, so if being afk while the action is going is that very wrong, then bann all necro PL (afk toon here while getting xp right?), bann all ice wizzy, paladin, fop cleric with alt looking for ac (afk toon here while getting xp right?) and also taking a bit further hell bann all buffbots well those are afk big time while the action is going

So chill out

who fucking cares that he was or was not using 3:rd party programs? AFK XP'ING IS ILLEGAL! end of story!!


and all u AoD thats rushing in to defend this cheater is just dragging ur guildname in the dirt here.

 

[Uberlama]

who fucking cares that he was or was not using 3:rd party programs? AFK XP'ING IS ILLEGAL! end of story!!


and all u AoD thats rushing in to defend this cheater is just dragging ur guildname in the dirt here.

you and the others who saying such things like this are doing it..

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

Could someone please explain how you can run around in circles while AFK when not using a 3rd party program. If you give explanation to that occurance I will agree a warning is in the right place.

He wasn't running around in circles, he was spinning. Btw try to put a weight on left and forward key I think a cup isn's considered 3rd party program

 

[Poag]

There is huge difference between solo afk exping and in group afk exping. When someone is in a group and goes AFK its not he does the damage to mobs it´s the other group members who aren´t afk. When someone is solo and getting experience when AFK thats in my book cheating.

ok i don't have access to the EULA while i am at work...but is or is not the afk person in a grp gaining exp whilst being away from his/her keyboard? [iirc thats the description the EULA gives, correct me if i am wrong]

and is or is not a person solo afk with a pet gaining exp whilst not being at his or her keyboard? also is or is not a solo tank in combat mode just swinging away at the same mob whilst afk also breaking this rule? ok its only one mob but its still the same thing...gaining exp whilst not at the keyboard.

Sorry if it seems i am nitpicking here but i'm just trying to make a point that things in a EULA can be interpreted differently depending on how you read it.

Its my personal opinion that afk xping isn't 'that' bad as long as ur not taking mobs away from someone who is there <insert normal 'using the tools we are given' line here>

 

[Miff]

I want people to look at this thread, especially those defending him. In my opinion both should get of with a warning, but not give ban to one and a warning to the other , when both are using cheats in same category.

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=26084

 

[Thundercat]

I think he just feel the same as me. You are just making to big thing about this.
As we warned him, he got reported, he got answer from rightnow, there is nothing to discuss about, as he is not guilty, but keep this thread on and have fun with blameing someone if you dont have better thing to do.

Well since I have about 3 more hours sitting in work where 80% of the people who usualy need support with their computers are on holiday you can guess if I have anything better to do...

But about the blaming... If he was found innocent then thats fine with me. From the start I've been saying: If you see some one act in a way that is against the rules made my Mythic and GOA then just report him/her. They will deal with it how they feel nessessary. It's not my job to act as a judge and I would't even take that job.

Most of my replies in here have been against macrocrafting (illegal) and afk exping (illegal). And to people who seem to think it ok to do it bacause "everyone else does it". Thats where I disagree. Is it wrong to say it?

Now because he was reported and GOA has looked into it and done next to nothing about it then it's good for him. You guys said it your self, he did do it. Not with a macro, but with using a heavy object in the keyboard. That has been worth a small ban before so I concider him lucky.

The good part in this is that he won't be doing it again. If he does he knows he's making a bad move.

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

who fucking cares that he was or was not using 3:rd party programs? AFK XP'ING IS ILLEGAL! end of story!!


and all u AoD thats rushing in to defend this cheater is just dragging ur guildname in the dirt here.

Afk xping = you getting xp while not at the keyboard, isn't it?

 

[Arabelus]

I want people to look at this thread, especially those defending him. In my opinion both should get of with a warning, but not give ban to one and a warning to the other , when both are using cheats in same category.

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=26084

Feel sorry for the chap, i think he have been treated too harshly, if you read through it all my personal opinion that you could take goa to court on it and have a chance of winning tbh Specialy on keeping the fees and banning you from playing part.
Also wich is realy touchy is "requiring human intervention" thingy because for example in case of cabies aggro pet attacking mobs does not require any intervention at all. Makes you think does not it?

 

[IainC]

Just going to clear up a few points.
AFK exping where you set a pet to aggro in a crowd of neutral mobs isn't per se against the CoC. However you are responsible for everything your pet does so if it pulls someone elses mob because you aren't controlling it then that's against the CoC (killstealing)
Obviously using a third party program to macro a buff/heal spell/running round in circles every so often is another matter entirely and will get you terminated.
I've just checked all the RightNow inboxes and I've not seen any reports about this or any replies sent by one of the GMs. I've spoken to all the GMs in today and no-one has dealt with this case. As far as I can see it hasn't even been reported let alone replied to so any talk about Goa's disciplinary standards is a little premature.

 

[Morimdin]

HAHA! nice one requiel ;X
TEH SOOKAH ALB GOT WTFPWND! stupid kreig

 

[Poag]

Just going to clear up a few points.
AFK exping where you set a pet to aggro in a crowd of neutral mobs isn't per se against the CoC. However you are responsible for everything your pet does so if it pulls someone elses mob because you aren't controlling it then that's against the CoC (killstealing)
Obviously using a third party program to macro a buff/heal spell/running round in circles every so often is another matter entirely and will get you terminated.
I've just checked all the RightNow inboxes and I've not seen any reports about this or any replies sent by one of the GMs. I've spoken to all the GMs in today and no-one has dealt with this case. As far as I can see it hasn't even been reported let alone replied to so any talk about Goa's disciplinary standards is a little premature.

whee! GM response..clear concise..don't u just love em!

Requiel can you just clear up for us tho..what the line from the EULA actually is or is it CoC? or is it even mentioned at all?

 

[Uberlama]

ehh then I got wrong information , sorry I was told he got some mail from GoA, and got 2 names who have reported him, at least they said they did.

 

[Thundercat]

Afk xping = you getting xp while not at the keyboard, isn't it?

And not having any control what mob you or your pet attacks. So sure, if you make a tank and put weights on F8, Stick, F6 you can "afk-exp" with him and you have no control what he does.

Thats the difference... With an alt you don't do anything or next to nothing. But you are using an other character and you control it's actions.

With an petclass you just make your pet aggro EVERYTHING and don't care or even control who it attacks.

 

[Gorryk]

So next time I see an afk amcroers, I can just engage a mob next to him and wait for his pet to leech, and then report him? That would be too mean wouldn't it


Thanks for clearing this up anyway. The Eula/CoC is a little open to interpretation and it's always nice when a GM clears it up exactly... I seriously detest macroers, but if thats the way the rules are and afk xp'ers don;t fall into this category persay, then I'll put up with them...