PS3 has lost to Wii and Xbox360 (discuss)

[old.user4556]

nah hd capacity is pointless, even 20gb wouldn't be used by most people.

Why do you insist on adding wireless to the price? I for one don't need it, and am fine to not have to pay extra for it.

Live is worth it for online console gaming, when sony offer the same level of service for free then I will agree MS are overcharging.

Again it comes down to what you want from your console, if you want a bells and whistles super console and will use it as such then the ps3 is the best choice -as long as games you will play are there. If you want a base console then 360 is the way to go, you can upgrade it to what you need.

the key point, that Wij made and i am sure has been made before many times, is that the ps3 looks a lot more expensive to most consumers. It has features many will never use. I have had my ps3 since about 6 months after release, and only last week did I bother using any of the media center features of it (same with my 360 though). Sony should have offered a scaled back version for the mass market, or taken a big hit on the price initially.

Yes exactly Chet, that's why in response to Wij's thread I said that Sony somehow missed the "cheaper version" boat by not bringing out a version of the console that had a) no wireless b) no blu-ray c) small hard disk. Maybe if they had then the PS3 pickup rate would have been a lot quicker.

I think the PS3 is too good for it's own good.

I add wireless and the online membership in the cost because i'm drawing a cost comparison on equal specifications, and as you and Wij have pointed out, perhaps most consumers don't care (I do ).

 

[Aada]

This is where MS have won over the market they have gave the customer the OPTION of what they have when they buy their console.

They aren't forced to buy a Blu-ray player which they may never used because Blu-rays are just stupidly expensive right now.

They aren't forced to buy into WIFI when they may never use it.

They aren't forced into buying a harddrive which the kids will never need a 512mb memory card will suffice them.

MS give the customer the option and at the end of the day giving the customer the option of what they want is always a good thing and will sway them towards you.

Sony wanted to ram it all down the customers throat.

 

[ST^]

None of that explains why their extras are so expensive though. Stop avoiding the point :/

 

[Aada]

None of that explains why their extras are so expensive though. Stop avoiding the point :/

Not avoiding the point?

We are talking about why Sony has lost the battle with MS this generation not how much extras cost.

Yes the extras are expensive well the only 2 extras that are expensive are the HDD/Wifi adapter.

But the fact remains that the people who want to go online will pay for a premium/elite and those who don't will be quite happy with a Arcade machine/memory card, that is the whole point of giving people the option.

 

[Billargh]

I think it's fucking great the PS3 fanboys are complaining about paying £35/year for online gaming, considering PS3's cost £100+ more. And they're calling Xbox owners cheap and the Xbox a 'poor mans PS3'.

 

[old.user4556]

Billargh, have you completely missed my posts above talking about the costs?

 

[Billargh]

It wasn't directed at you G, was more towards Bodhi (I think, really should've quoted who it was directed to).

 

[Ch3tan]

I think it's fucking great the PS3 fanboys are complaining about paying £35/year for online gaming, considering PS3's cost £100+ more. And they're calling Xbox owners cheap and the Xbox a 'poor mans PS3'.

It doesn't matter who it is aimed at, your point is still invalid. As G pointed out the extra cost of the ps3 is in the hardware. We have already discussed why the price point of the ps3 isn't attractive. It's a fair point to moan about the cost of live, it's good now as Sony do not offer much as competition, but sony's online service is getting better and is free.

Can you guys just agree to disagree. Not one person has changed their views since this thread started.

 

[old.user4556]

I have. I'm sticking to my PC .

 

[bob269]

Yes the extras are expensive well the only 2 extras that are expensive are the HDD/Wifi adapter.

But the fact remains that the people who want to go online will pay for a premium/elite and those who don't will be quite happy with a Arcade machine/memory card, that is the whole point of giving people the option.

Lol this seams a heated topic, i posted some 20 pages back, and can't be arsed reading the responses, but having read Aada's responses on this page i totally agree.

Yup MS's wifi/hd whatever extras seem expensive for what they are but go buy something for your car from a dealer, they're in it to make money, eitherway it's still cheaper than a ps3. and as for paying for live, everybody i know with a console are willing to pay for MS's live rather than suffer sony's piss poor attempt, it maybe free but it's shite.

 

[bob269]

but sony's online service is getting better and is free.

Who backs that up exactly, not what i'm hearing? Still 40-50minute game updates, constant drop-outs etc. Is 30p a week such a high price to pay for MS's quality online service, free and shit, or 30p and great, think about it for a while

 

[Billargh]

It doesn't matter who it is aimed at, your point is still invalid. As G pointed out the extra cost of the ps3 is in the hardware. We have already discussed why the price point of the ps3 isn't attractive. It's a fair point to moan about the cost of live, it's good now as Sony do not offer much as competition, but sony's online service is getting better and is free.

Can you guys just agree to disagree. Not one person has changed their views since this thread started.

I'm not taking any sides at all Ch3t, all this fanboyism (wat?) flying around makes me rage, makes certain people look like right children. I should've probably bit my tongue with my above comment. I have no interest in the Ps3, I like my 360 and I don't care about who likes what and why, if anything I think this thread is just entertaining to read Aada and Bodhi making clowns on themselves.

 

[soze]

Who backs that up exactly, not what i'm hearing? Still 40-50minute game updates, constant drop-outs etc. Is 30p a week such a high price to pay for MS's quality online service, free and shit, or 30p and great, think about it for a while

Your mates must have shit internet connections longest game update i have had was 25 minutes and i hardly ever drop off during online play.

 

[Bodhi]

Who backs that up exactly, not what i'm hearing? Still 40-50minute game updates, constant drop-outs etc. Is 30p a week such a high price to pay for MS's quality online service, free and shit, or 30p and great, think about it for a while

If it takes you 40-50 minutes you are either on dial up or haven't switched Bittorrent off, longest updates take on my 1Mbit connection is about 15 minutes. Whats more when I'm logged in, I stay logged in, hence the 3 and a half days on COD4 online. Anyway seeing as we're allowed to use evidence from people we know.

I know around 25 people round here with consoles. 20 have PS3's, 4 have Xbox 360's and there are about 7 Wii's (obviously some have more than one console). Therefore, the PS3 has won this generation by far.

Or maybe it's just everyone I know are successful 20-somethings, can all afford PS3's, and didn't want any Fisher Price crap in their living rooms. These are the people I play online with, hence don't need to spend 40 quid a year to play with pre-pubescent Yanks with potty mouths.

P.S I played on a Wii last night. What a bag of shite that was.

PPS If someone would like to furnish me with a list of games I'm missing out on by only having a PS3, I'd be much appreciated. I still have no advance on Fable, GOW and Forza.

 

[Bodhi]

I think it's fucking great the PS3 fanboys are complaining about paying £35/year for online gaming, considering PS3's cost £100+ more. And they're calling Xbox owners cheap and the Xbox a 'poor mans PS3'.

So after 3 years the PS3 is cheaper then? Not a silly question, as I expect my consoles to last 5+, hence me not touching a 360 with a barge pole.

 

[Aada]

If it takes you 40-50 minutes you are either on dial up or haven't switched Bittorrent off, longest updates take on my 1Mbit connection is about 15 minutes. Whats more when I'm logged in, I stay logged in, hence the 3 and a half days on COD4 online. Anyway seeing as we're allowed to use evidence from people we know.

I know around 25 people round here with consoles. 20 have PS3's, 4 have Xbox 360's and there are about 7 Wii's (obviously some have more than one console). Therefore, the PS3 has won this generation by far.

Or maybe it's just everyone I know are successful 20-somethings, can all afford PS3's, and didn't want any Fisher Price crap in their living rooms. These are the people I play online with, hence don't need to spend 40 quid a year to play with pre-pubescent Yanks with potty mouths.

P.S I played on a Wii last night. What a bag of shite that was.

PPS If someone would like to furnish me with a list of games I'm missing out on by only having a PS3, I'd be much appreciated. I still have no advance on Fable, GOW and Forza.

Of course you don't like GOW/FABLE/FORZA because they aint on the PS3 if they were PS3 exclusive you would like them.

:kissit:

 

[Sar]

After having my 360 for about 14 months, I can honestly say it's the console I've enjoyed playing most since my Snes (which I still have).

I've bought loads of games for it, both new and 2nd hand, and I've rented a butt load more from Lovefilm (great service).

TBH I wouldn't have had the same experience with a PS3. I know I certainly haven't had anywhere near as much joy out of my Wii, which is doing fuck all and has done from way last year bar the odd session of Wii Fit.

The PS3 has had very few exclusives to speak of. LBP, GT5, Uncharted and MGS4 are about it afaik? And I certainly wouldn't fancy GT5 anyway, so that's 3 games I missed out on by not buying a PS3.

Meh tbh.

 

[Bodhi]

Of course you don't like GOW/FABLE/FORZA because they aint on the PS3 if they were PS3 exclusive you would like them.

:kissit:

Only because there are PS3 exclusives which are just as good.

 

[Deebs]

Chill out peoples!

The 360 and the PS3 both have good points and bad points. Personally I prefer my PS3 as it will have a longer shelf life, is cheaper to upgrade and has everything I want in it. My 360 only ever gets turned on when my boy moans about GOW2 online. Though if I am perfectly honestly I play for x264 stuff on my PS3 than I do games but when I do play games on it they are R2, Buzz!, WipeoutHD, Eden, Rainbow Six.

Wait for a few more years, the generation is far from over.

 

[Billargh]

So after 3 years the PS3 is cheaper then? Not a silly question, as I expect my consoles to last 5+, hence me not touching a 360 with a barge pole.

Where did I say the PS3 was cheaper Bodhi? I'm not going to waste my time getting into some shite argument, but £35 for a years gaming doesn't really excuse the fact the Ps3 is a lot more expensive. Oh and in before £60 wireless connectivity and bluray.

 

[Aada]

Only because there are PS3 exclusives which are just as good.

Such as?

You have MGS 4 as the one game anybody would buy a PS3 for and LBP but LBP sales have failed it just has not sold well at all.

To be fair the hype is gone and nobody is interested, heck look at the LBP thread here most people have played it and got bored myself included.

The 360 has a far better catalogue of exclusive games that are far better then 99% of the stuff the PS3 ever could hope to put out at this moment in time.

You don't have the GTA series anymore.

You don't even have the FF series either


What do you have?

MGS, but really it is only a matter of time before this hits the 360 if Konami ever want to make a decent profit from MGS 4 which cost them MILLIONS to make.

GT? well do you even have it ? all you have so far is a crummy tech demo which they even have the cheek to make you pay for it

Killzone? a game that is always hyped but yet stumbles every time Killzone has never ever been a A+++ title only the Sony fanbois think it is dispite reviews.

LBP, again a game that has failed in sales dispite the awesome features it is people just aren't liking it maybe Platformers are turning to a thing of the past?

I look forward to your next bs reply :kissit:

 

[Billargh]

Aada, people could say exactly the same about Xbox 360 exclusives, I think Bodhi has already told us what he thinks of them, probably about 5 bloody times. It's just all opinions, the sooner people realise that the better, some obviously won't though.

 

[Aada]

Aada, people could say exactly the same about Xbox 360 exclusives, I think Bodhi has already told us what he thinks of them, probably about 5 bloody times. It's just all opinions, the sooner people realise that the better, some obviously won't though.

Of course it's all opinion my above post is an opinion who bloody cares?

The thread is entertaining.

 

[Bodhi]

Such as?

You have MGS 4 as the one game anybody would buy a PS3 for and LBP but LBP sales have failed it just has not sold well at all.

To be fair the hype is gone and nobody is interested, heck look at the LBP thread here most people have played it and got bored myself included.

The 360 has a far better catalogue of exclusive games that are far better then 99% of the stuff the PS3 ever could hope to put out at this moment in time.

OK then. Name some.


I've only been asking you to for 3 pages.

 

[old.user4556]

Aada, you have a remarkable knack of side-stepping and throwing stats and opinions out that you believe are fact. I think Chet and Wij have already pointed out that this thread is full of wild and unobjective opinion.

I had a look on the web for the "catalogue of exclusive games that are far better then 99% of the stuff the PS3 ever could hope to put out at this moment in time" and I found this. I haven't heard of most of those games, and off of that list the only think I might want to get is Project Gotham (but I have GT anyway) and maybe the Halo series (which is dull multiplayer anyway).

Gran Turismo, Uncharted (Drake's Fortune and it's sequel) and Ratchet & Clank are all games that I've really enjoyed that I couldn't get on another platform. Need a steering wheel for GT though, must invest!

As for LBP, I've not played it but all I've been reading about is that the game is outstanding, so I'm going to give it a spin.

 

[Bodhi]

CategorylayStation 3-only games - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems pretty comparable to the Xbox list even without God of War 3. For GOW/Halo read Resistance/KillZone, for PGR/Forza read Gran Turismo etc etc.

 

[Lethul]

Both exclusives looks fairly weak imo with GT5, Wipeout HD, Fable 2 and MGS only titles i would be a bit interested in. Everyone who screams FPS games (halo, resistance etc) have never played real FPS games with real controlls, consoles sucks donkey ass for FPS if you have been good at PC.

 

[old.user4556]

Both exclusives looks fairly weak imo with GT5, Wipeout HD, Fable 2 and MGS only titles i would be a bit interested in. Everyone who screams FPS games (halo, resistance etc) have never played real FPS games with real controlls, consoles sucks donkey ass for FPS if you have been good at PC.

Absolutely.

 

[Raven]

I am personally getting a PS3, simply because I have now got an HD TV and want to watch blue rays. It is a bonus that I will be able to play Final Fantasy and I will probably pick up GT5 and MGS too at some point but thats it there are no other games that appeal to me to buy. Both consoles are starting to show their age now too, sure they look ok but they are falling behind the PC quite noticeably. I would rather play them with real AA and decent textures, some of the textures on the PS3 are horrible and the fact that they released it with a rubbish GPU is starting to show.
There is absolutely no reason to buy a multi platform release on a console now, except maybe grand theft auto which is an absolute mess of a port and is in serious need of patching on the PC.

 

[ST^]

Agreed on the PC side. Unless the developer makes an epic fuck up, PC versions will look and play better.