Private Galla raids cant Claim Galla

[angara-ffs]

Originally posted by mars
yes plz
but the reason for mention it is kinda obvious if u read the quote

Que?
You just hate us and like to rant about us?
Thats what u saying now....?

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by eneq
Soz didnt c any smiley under really.....
Saw a URL but with Tzee its never good to follow..

That's precious coming from the guy who keeps concluding any discussion he's losing with "people aren't reading my posts right, people are misunderstanding me, it's the language barrier" etc.

Tzee is doing a raid for some people. He doesn't claim Galla, he tells people he's going there with an organised raid and expects the decency of others to not mess it up beforehand. Xfear may be doing public raids, but making a raid public means it's going to be less organised, taking longer, more hassle, etc, even though I know he's been trying hard and generally doing a good job.

Free for all raids are less efficient and more goes wrong. For me that's a reason not to go. I went on two and it was awful, all due respect to Xfear. I'm glad I have a chance to go on Tzee's raid. If I pm him and tell him I could bring a guild group, I'd be welcome to come along for a good organised raid. Both Xfear and Tzee give people the chance to go there, both need the dungeon to be not screwed up. And it's common decency to do them that favor, not an obligation.

 

[mars]

Originally posted by angara-ffs
Que?
You just hate us and like to rant about us?
Thats what u saying now....?

hmm where did i rant vng? dont really have anything against vng, just a few ppl. And when these ppl get to lead things it shows how some ppl are. Some ppl think they always are right have done such great things in the past for the realm when so much was just for them self, and for ppl not knowing much about it, it seems fair.

Nothing was ever directed against vng, but u, as a few others in the guild seems to think everyone cares so much about ya that u think every flame is about u.

Don't overrate urself.

 

[Ensceptifica]

Re: baah

Originally posted by eneq
Nope VF you should read my post.
I can follow him but its never GOOD to follow tzee...somehow my head spins from him running in circles..

Oh gee she didn't read your post right, that must be it!!11! And I guess Tzee is using too many words, which means his argument isn't valid and all that stands is your so fine yet continuously misunderstood argument.

People read your posts fine. You just say the wrong things.

 

[old.Laryssa]

sorry, but i'm at FE since 5h focus pulling it - could u pls stay outside

 

[spankya]

Originally posted by old.Laryssa
sorry, but i'm at FE since 5h focus pulling it - could u pls stay outside

5hours? only another 6 hours left then

 

[Wot-do]

.

Originally posted by mars
hmm where did i rant vng? dont really have anything against vng, just a few ppl. And when these ppl get to lead things it shows how some ppl are. Some ppl think they always are right have done such great things in the past for the realm when so much was just for them self, and for ppl not knowing much about it, it seems fair.

Nothing was ever directed against vng, but u, as a few others in the guild seems to think everyone cares so much about ya that u think every flame is about u.

Don't overrate urself.

we are a guild we work together, we care about each.
and you are insulting one of our members :] specially when your flaming comes from nothing, i just smell u are jealous.

and like ang said, when tzee does raids he does it for the ppl not for himself. For instance his dragon raids, he never needed any stone, he never claimed anything from any of these.

 

[mars]

Re: .

Originally posted by Wot-do
we are a guild we work together, we care about each.
and you are insulting one of our members :] specially when your flaming comes from nothing, i just smell u are jealous.

and like ang said, when tzee does raids he does it for the ppl not for himself. For instance his dragon raids, he never needed any stone, he never claimed anything from any of these.

well guess u don't know much then, he did sell some of the stones for his own profit instead of letting ppl lotto for all the stones, this was even on bw so u should know.

Why should i be jealous? since i started doing galla before tzee came and claimed the dungeon?

Hey, theres a new argument coming from a vngmember, everyone is jealous.

so ill tell ya like i did to the other one

Don't overrate urself

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by mars
lol.. been doing galla raids before u started with ur shit. And yes u have always been like this, just that it shows more now. Maybe you should make some more ffa dragonraids and sell the loot so you dont have to farm galla more. Or maybe jump to another guild, been in vng bit long now, or isnt there a new fotm-weareleetmannerandknowsbest-guild yet? oh no.. AR went dead

Now it makes sense.

You're one of the guys that turned around on me after I decided to sell that one stone. Not gonna get into that, since thats long gone, and I still believe I am right.

I've always been like this.. I'm happy, I like how I am.

I don't farm galla, I go for fun/challenge, as in, go read my State of PvE thread, there you will understand my reasoning.

Jump to another guild.. you really have no idea of why I leave a guild, so why do you think I'm simply jumping to the latest 'leet' guild?

I'm surprised you wear the CF tag, considering the amount of stupidity you are displaying here.

It is none of your business why I leave a guild, it certainly isn't for 'leetness'.


To make my point clear again on the consequences of what people are trying to 'enforce' (feels like this now) upon me - if I went along to a public Galla raid, and my group out taunted everyone else on a particular mob, surely I get to keep the loot? Because I taunted the most and the loot went to my group, so I deserve it. This is not against the CoC, GoA and Mythic (afaik) do not intervene on people 'taking' drops in this way, it's how the game works. There have been very, very few examples of this occurring in the past on Hib/Exc, which I am proud of. However, since it is not against the CoC, nor is there any in-game framework that I am circumventing, who says it belongs to the raid leader? You? Him? Her? The same people who say it's not right I should not make private raids into Galla?

You can't and wont have it both ways - there is only a certain amount of political correctness you can spout before things begin to fuck up.

And Eneq didn't bother to respond to any of my reply at all, which further clearly positions him as just a board troll. Maybe you should play the game more and talk crap less Eneq. There's a smell of shit coming from your direction.

 

[old.Icebreaker]

I agree

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Re: Re: .

Originally posted by mars
well guess u don't know much then, he did sell some of the stones for his own profit instead of letting ppl lotto for all the stones, this was even on bw so u should know.

Why should i be jealous? since i started doing galla before tzee came and claimed the dungeon?

Hey, theres a new argument coming from a vngmember, everyone is jealous.

so ill tell ya like i did to the other one

Don't overrate urself

One. One stone. Get over it, I invite CF to my dragon raids, another one will come along and you can do your respec.

You were doing Galla before? I see. I must have missed the public raid announcement on that.

And I never claimed the dungeon, this has been said at least a dozen times now, perhaps you should read more, and speak less?

Don't over rate.. lol

It was not me who blew this out of all proportions, neither was it any other VGN member.

 

[old.Icebreaker]

I agree again

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Ice!

Stop spamming this very serious and important thread concerning the future of the realm and the game!

Damn post farmer.

 

[eneq]

duuh

Originally posted by Ensceptifica
Tzee is doing a raid for some people. He doesn't claim Galla, he tells people he's going there with an organised raid and expects the decency of others to not mess it up beforehand.

What ??

Hmmm oki you saying that peeps arnt allowed in Galla for whole saturday/friday night isnt same as claim Galla ?

You might b right but then we dont c the word "claim" the same way really....

IF im correctly you cant b in Galla 12 hours prior to raid and raid takes 4-5 hours = 17 hours

So in my definition of the word claim...tzee claiming the primary hibbie uber dungeon for 17 hours.

But feel free to find another word for it.....
You usually spamms words around you so you prlly can find a better 1...

 

[Divinia]

Sorry but noone can enter Galladoria till my FBI team have searched trough the dungeon to get evidences from the suspected focuspulling that occured last weekend.

We've found a 'Midgard Medallion of passage' near the Broodmother and if anyone know anything about this artifact send me a pm.

 

[mars]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
You're one of the guys that turned around on me after I decided to sell that one stone. Not gonna get into that, since thats long gone, and I still believe I am right.

...

I'm surprised you wear the CF tag, considering the amount of stupidity you are displaying here.

...

You were doing Galla before? I see. I must have missed the public raid announcement on that.

I dont really blame u for selling the stone but u made ur choice when doing it, and the sideeffect was that you earned great profit. And i don't think people can refer to it as charity then, even tho a lot still do.

Im not a spokesman for cf or anything, speaking for myself on this subject. And i guess everyone not obeying u is stupid.

Ye i didn't feel i needed to make one, but u did.

...Partly i think it was a bad decission of Xfear to let other ppl have the saturday, because noone can be the one to pick out who can be allowed and who cannot, but now he more or less is the one. I bet he wouldnt leave the day to a FS grp. So i think he should stick to holding his raids on the set times if he want it to be untouched or he shouldn't really count on that people wont be there before the raids.

 

[angara-ffs]

Re: Re: .

Originally posted by mars
well guess u don't know much then, he did sell some of the stones for his own profit instead of letting ppl lotto for all the stones, this was even on bw so u should know.

Why should i be jealous? since i started doing galla before tzee came and claimed the dungeon?

Hey, theres a new argument coming from a vngmember, everyone is jealous.

so ill tell ya like i did to the other one

Don't overrate urself

Read the crap you write:

Or maybe jump to another guild, been in vng bit long now, or isnt there a new fotm-weareleetmannerandknowsbest-guild yet?

What that suppose to mean then?
Lol...read your own posts before you start rambling.


And what Tzee does with the stones, is up to him tbh.

 

[eneq]

Re: Re: baah

Ensceblablabla
Many nice words again

Lets take this in small steps as little words as poss..

Originally posted by Ensceptifica
Oh gee she didn't read your post right, that must be it!!11! And I guess Tzee is using too many words, which means his argument isn't valid and all that stands is your so fine yet continuously misunderstood argument.

People read your posts fine. You just say the wrong things.

Originally posted by eneq
"Soz didnt c any smiley under really.....
Saw a URL but with Tzee its never good to follow.. "

Then VF wrote
"first you're too lazy to just read the post

then you say you can't follow him ?

right "


Noticed the diff from my posts ?
The line "Tzee its never good to follow"
And VF "can't follow him"

But hey again make a post with 1000 words and explain you righty and ene wrong again.....


hmmm you read up freud again btw ??
1 tip...who again thinks he never wrong,,,(btw all other readers long story)

 

[mars]

Re: Re: Re: .

Originally posted by angara-ffs


What that suppose to mean then?
Lol...read your own posts before you start rambling.


And what Tzee does with the stones, is up to him tbh.

Im not sure if u refer "What that suppose to mean then?" to that i would be jealous of him jumping guilds. Is that smth to be jealous of? I hope i missunderstood ya

about the stones i guess u didnt read my earlier post seeing the timestamp.

 

[eneq]

Re: .

Originally posted by Wot-do

and like ang said, when tzee does raids he does it for the ppl not for himself. For instance his dragon raids, he never needed any stone, he never claimed anything from any of these.

Fame....
before posting some information maybe check you should check again. Hmm or was it before you bought the Fame Acc ?

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by mars
I dont really blame u for selling the stone but u made ur choice when doing it, and the sideeffect was that you earned great profit. And i don't think people can refer to it as charity then, even tho a lot still do.

Im not a spokesman for cf or anything, speaking for myself on this subject. And i guess everyone not obeying u is stupid.

Ye i didn't feel i needed to make one, but u did.

...Partly i think it was a bad decission of Xfear to let other ppl have the saturday, because noone can be the one to pick out who can be allowed and who cannot, but now he more or less is the one. I bet he wouldnt leave the day to a FS grp. So i think he should stick to holding his raids on the set times if he want it to be untouched or he shouldn't really count on that people wont be there before the raids.

Yes, and your issue on this will not be addressed because it has been discussed months ago and I will not waste my time discussing it further - this is long gone in the past, bringing it up to serve as a defamtion of my character is a bit low, simply because you have no valid point on the current situation.

I call you stupid since you are discussing/arguing your point from emotion, rather than fact, and although I do appreciate that, you are incorrect, as I've pointed out many times, why you are incorrect, yet you do not seem to realise it.

Yes, I remember your guild, CF, which I still love, doing small galla raids, own legion raids, small GS raids - if the GS, legion had huge amounts of people hunting there regularly with a massive respawn timer, I can guarantee that any time CF wanted to go in there as a planned event, they would come here to notify of intent. Because it's common decency.

I never asked Xfear to move his raid this week, he announced his, and I said when I would be going into Galla, which would be around his, because I respect[/] Xfear, and the effort he puts in, and I also appreciate the fact that many of the people that go there simply don't have the time nor inclination to go to the level of organisation to create their own raid, so I do not endanger it by doing anything like focus pulling.

Unless you make a new, valid point, I'm probably through discussing this.

 

[eneq]

oki

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Now it makes sense.


To make my point clear again on the consequences of what people are trying to 'enforce' (feels like this now) upon me - if I went along to a public Galla raid, and my group out taunted everyone else on a particular mob, surely I get to keep the loot? Because I taunted the most and the loot went to my group, so I deserve it. This is not against the CoC, GoA and Mythic (afaik) do not intervene on people 'taking' drops in this way, it's how the game works. There have been very, very few examples of this occurring in the past on Hib/Exc, which I am proud of. However, since it is not against the CoC, nor is there any in-game framework that I am circumventing, who says it belongs to the raid leader? You? Him? Her? The same people who say it's not right I should not make private raids into Galla?

When going on a raid you commit to the rules of the raid.
Some bad some good. All rules should b subject to scrutiny (right word ?)
Its not the private raid we object against..Do your private riads. I dont mind. As qouting you "i dont need any item to capp my SC" and im one of the wealthiest peeps in DAOC prolly.

Is that you "claiming" ( soz enscblabla you havent posted a better word for it yet) the primary Uber Hibbie Dungeon for YOURSELF and friends for FECKING 17 Hours...
Its a whole fecking day !!!!!
If its was open i could go on that raid and thus can b in galla anyway.
BUT you basically FORBIDS me to even enter Galla ..........

 

[Arrows]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch

I call you stupid since you are discussing/arguing your point from emotion, rather than fact, and although I do appreciate that, you are incorrect, as I've pointed out many times, why you are incorrect, yet you do not seem to realise it.

No such thing as right or wrong
only points of view.
To believe your not arguing from emotion and that your 100% right is the most concieted thing ive heard yet

 

[Arrows]

Just wondering do you or do you not think its fair to claim a dungeon for (going by someone else time here) 17 hours in a realm of 500+ people for a group of what .... 16 ..?

im not saying its right or wrong to do so i just want to know what you honestly think

 

[mars]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Yes, and your issue on this will not be addressed because it has been discussed months ago and I will not waste my time discussing it further - this is long gone in the past, bringing it up to serve as a defamtion of my character is a bit low, simply because you have no valid point on the current situation.

...

I never asked Xfear to move his raid this week, he announced his, and I said when I would be going into Galla, which would be around his, because I respect[/] Xfear, and the effort he puts in, and I also appreciate the fact that many of the people that go there simply don't have the time nor inclination to go to the level of organisation to create their own raid, so I do not endanger it by doing anything like focus pulling.

Unless you make a new, valid point, I'm probably through discussing this.

heh, i must be allowed to point out faults in ppls arguments, it wasnt me bringing in the dragon raids at first, i just corrected people mentioning it as you didnt get a copper out of it, not saying this was the reason for u making it from the start, which i dont think, but the choice was made being aware of what ppl thought about it.

Considering xfear, i meant more generally, it was also directed more to xfear than you, tho it was you getting last(?) saturday. Which was the first time a private raid replaced a ffa one.

My point is also that your raids shouldn't be worth more than anyone elses, but thats what happends when people cant enter the dungeon for a whole day because of it. While people respect it when xfear has a raid cuz they know everyone can come and its done for pretty much anyone in the realm and not just a limited amount of ppl.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by mars
heh, i must be allowed to point out faults in ppls arguments, it wasnt me bringing in the dragon raids at first, i just corrected people mentioning it as you didnt get a copper out of it, not saying this was the reason for u making it from the start, which i dont think, but the choice was made being aware of what ppl thought about it.

Considering xfear, i meant more generally, it was also directed more to xfear than you, tho it was you getting last(?) saturday. Which was the first time a private raid replaced a ffa one.

My point is also that your raids shouldn't be worth more than anyone elses, but thats what happends when people cant enter the dungeon for a whole day because of it. While people respect it when xfear has a raid cuz they know everyone can come and its done for pretty much anyone in the realm and not just a limited amount of ppl.

Ok, great, a good point.

My raids are no more better than anyone elses, this I will agree with, in terms of actual 'right' to a place.

If for example guild B was to make a raid, then fine, I would respect that and not interfere, and allow them to raid.

About Galla though - you will agree, that there is no way in hell, that you can just walk in to it and start killing mobs, right? I mean, just as you can go RvR with 8 people, you cant just wait at necht, gather any 8 people and go XP there.

8 people kinda thing is focus pulling, and I dont like that as much as the next person, but I can't do anything about it.

So, I could really, understand this, if I was claiming the Fins spot - but a large high end encounter such as Galla? I really doubt it when people start exaggerating the point and say I am restricting them.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Re: oki

Originally posted by eneq

Is that you "claiming" ( soz enscblabla you havent posted a better word for it yet) the primary Uber Hibbie Dungeon for YOURSELF and friends for FECKING 17 Hours...
Its a whole fecking day !!!!!
If its was open i could go on that raid and thus can b in galla anyway.
BUT you basically FORBIDS me to even enter Galla ..........

Stop babbling and getting excited please.

Your point is same as the one I just answered above.

 

[mars]

i wouldnt see a problem with u "claiming" galla if it happend once or so, but doing raids that often is too much to ask for since its only 7days on a week.

don't really see how u can compare fins with galla either, galla is a unique dungeon, fins have many spots, but more important, u can get exp from all over hib but u cant get what u get in galla from anywhere else.

I'd say the dungeon is too small for the realm, especially on weekends. And if ppl cant go half the weekend (saturday)...

" but a large high end encounter such as Galla? I really doubt it when people start exaggerating the point and say I am restricting them."

I don't think u are aware of how often there is ppl in galla nowdays, focuspulling usually ofc.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Focuspulling, imo, is not raiding.. I wont count that as a raid (I've never focus pulled in galla btw, nor have I been in any way involved in it).

My point was, if people really were that eager to raid galla etc, make their own raids - then why are we not seeing it every day or every weekend?

Fact is, people mostly go to Xfear's raid and are content.

For a long time, one day of the weekend has remained empty of any galla raids, so I'm filling this spot now, and time to time only.. I don't/won't raid it on a regular basis.

That people are saying I'm restricting them is ridiculous, since as I've just said, people aren't really raiding it that often.. time to time, yes, one-offs by many people, yes, but not usually more than a few times in the space of months.

 

[Ziva]

Geez eneq .... i don't understand why u fail to see that what Tzee is asking is something basically anyone could ask.

If u were to raid Galla with your guildies or friends wouldn't it be nice if people respect your announcement and don't mess up your raid by pulling mobs before u enter? I think u would like to see that aswell wouldn't you? To have a full dungeon so you and your guildies and friends can have a nice raid. If your answer to this is yes then please treat others like u wish to be treated aswell.

So just respect that and stop saying bs like "he forbids me to enter Galla blabla". He does not forbid u to go in simply because he can't. He asks you and others not to pull so his raid can be done, it's a request... not an order. And you choose to respect that or not.

Don't blame Tzee for the way mobspawn in Galla is timed cause he didn't design it and therefore it's not his fault the timer is set on about 17 hours. Write to Rightnow if u don't agree on how it's designed.

As for xping in Galla... come on peeps... there are lots of places where u can do that. Galladoria is used to get nice drops so lets use the dungeon for that and xp chars at some other place. Let's turn it around: imo it's pretty selfish to deny 16 or more people the fun of raiding just because u want to pl your alt in the same place because of the l33t xp.