Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[dysfunction]

Boris is going full lunatic now:

Johnson could sacrifice majority by withdrawing whip from rebel MPs

"Tory MPs who vote against the government in the Commons this week will be chucked out of the party and banned from standing for the Conservatives at the next election."

 

[Job]

Brexit is irrelevent now for the future of the UK...what is happening is the young people are watching the parliamentary system destruct itself by process in full view.
When this is all over, everyone is going to say.

What the living fuck is this shambles.

 

[dysfunction]

Not parliament - it's Boris that is dismantling it every day he is in power. He is becoming a dictator.

 

[Gwadien]

I did say right at the beginning Brexit will rip the Politcal parties apart.

 

[DaGaffer]

Boris is going full lunatic now:

Johnson could sacrifice majority by withdrawing whip from rebel MPs

"Tory MPs who vote against the government in the Commons this week will be chucked out of the party and banned from standing for the Conservatives at the next election."

If you think in terms of "Brexit was always about the future of the Tory Party" this makes sense. Move the party further to the right, take away UKIP/Brexit Party oxygen and most importantly, create internal unity, which has been the fundamental Tory problem for the last quarter of a century.

The interesting thing is, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for the Tories to do something this radical; Labour are a waste of space and the Tories can pick up leaver votes to offset the more centrist (remainer)Tories who were probably going to vote LibDem anyway. Boris's (or more likely Dominic Cummings') calculation is probably "we have a majority of 1, may as well get something out of this shitshow and Labour are so bad we .ight just pull it off".

 

[Job]

Its quite clear the system is there to stop anything radical happening, every movement has a check in place to bring it back in line, and by hiding it amongst an endless interconnecting set of convention, written and unwritten rules, they can pretend to be doing something, while in reality they are just moving the public attention from one area to another..while the rich get richer.

Fuck Boris we need Cromwell.

 

[Gwadien]

Its quite clear the system is there to stop anything radical happening, every movement has a check in place to bring it back in line, and by hiding it amongst an endless interconnecting set of convention, written and unwritten rules, they can pretend to be doing something, while in reality they are just moving the public attention from one area to another..while the rich get richer.

Fuck Boris we need Cromwell.

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

Are you suggesting that Boris wants to do radical stuff to balance out wealth inequality?

lol.

It's like a Jew voting for the Nazis (inb4 you tell me the Nazis were a Jewish party)

 

[Scouse]

No Gwadien. It's clear that he's saying we live an undemocratic shitshow and nothing really changes - that our so-called "democracy" is just another soma for the people.

Kinda been saying that since about '96 myself.

 

[Gwadien]

No Gwadien. It's clear that he's saying we live an undemocratic shitshow and nothing really changes - that our so-called "democracy" is just another soma for the people.

Kinda been saying that since about '96 myself.

That's because we always vote for the same shit...

There has been a politician recently who is all about changing that 'richer get richer' shit, but he's an anti-semite etc, so ;(

 

[Scouse]

That's because we always vote for the same shit...

Nope. For as long as I can remember (and talking to older people, for as long as they can remember) we've always been offered radical change. Lived under tory and labour governments. The only change that has been consistent under both governments is the worsening of inequality and the erosion of rights.

Under both.

Corbyn's changes wouldn't hit the rich. They'd hit the middle classes - creating a flat-wealth working class and a further out elite class, instead of the parabolic curve of wealth-shitness that we've got now.

Our democracy is a sham tbpfh. We get to vote on trifles dressed up as banquets whilst the real decisions are made elsewhere. Voting isn't ever going to change that - because real change will never be an option on the table.

 

[Gwadien]

Nope. For as long as I can remember (and talking to older people, for as long as they can remember) we've always been offered radical change. Lived under tory and labour governments. The only change that has been consistent under both governments is the worsening of inequality and the erosion of rights.

Under both.

Corbyn's changes wouldn't hit the rich. They'd hit the middle classes - creating a flat-wealth working class and a further out elite class, instead of the parabolic curve of wealth-shitness that we've got now.

Our democracy is a sham tbpfh. We get to vote on trifles dressed up as banquets whilst the real decisions are made elsewhere. Voting isn't ever going to change that - because real change will never be an option on the table.

Corbyn is radical change, the establishment doesn't want radical change, they want Tory Brexit so they can make £££.

That's the difference, indoctrination into everyone thinking the Tories are for the masses.

 

[Wij]

No Gwadien. It's clear that he's saying we live an undemocratic shitshow and nothing really changes - that our so-called "democracy" is just another soma for the people.

Kinda been saying that since about '96 myself.

If the government isn't committed to following the laws created by our elected representatives then we REALLY don't have democracy.

 

[Scouse]

If the government isn't committed to following the laws created by our elected representatives then we REALLY don't have democracy.

They follow them generally because those laws don't get in the way of actual ruling.

Normal service will resume later on, a few cosmetic changes will occur and people will obediently go back to the polls because the alternative is to horrible to imagine.

 

[DaGaffer]

Corbyn is radical change, the establishment doesn't want radical change, they want Tory Brexit so they can make £££.

That's the difference, indoctrination into everyone thinking the Tories are for the masses.

Corbyn is not radical change, Corbyn is an empty suit, and Labour policies are just a variant on tax and spend. Woohoo "we're going to tax households on more than 80 grand", and then a bunch of window dressing. None of which matters because their leader is unelectable.

 

[Job]

ITV news, 3 segments covering brexit protests, interview with MP opposing Boris, then talking with supporters of MPs stance.
Followed by Gordon Brown on how a no deal will be a disaster and on to Jeremy Corbyns speech.

Right at the end..lets not forget some people agree with Boris.

Just simple epic bias.
Unashamed total support for opposing his actions..not a single person in support questioned, quoted or named.

 

[Wij]

ITV news, 3 segments covering brexit protests, interview with MP opposing Boris, then talking with supporters of MPs stance.
Followed by Gordon Brown on how a no deal will be a disaster and on to Jeremy Corbyns speech.

Right at the end..lets not forget some people agree with Boris.

Just simple epic bias.
Unashamed total support for opposing his actions..not a single person in support questioned, quoted or named.

Ah, the myth that news has to cover both sides.

Let’s have some pro-hurricaners on too.

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1168414245769424896

 

[Wij]

WSJ tells us the blinking obvious despite government denials:


View: https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1168474900694216706

 

[Gwadien]

ITV news, 3 segments covering brexit protests, interview with MP opposing Boris, then talking with supporters of MPs stance.
Followed by Gordon Brown on how a no deal will be a disaster and on to Jeremy Corbyns speech.

Right at the end..lets not forget some people agree with Boris.

Just simple epic bias.
Unashamed total support for opposing his actions..not a single person in support questioned, quoted or named.

Not many people agree with Boris though.

Hence why he's threatening people's jobs.

 

[Gwadien]

So Boris has officially made it Brexit vs Corbyn.

Brexit will win obvs, because Corbyn hates Jews and loves vuvuzelas

 

[Wij]

Deal renegotiations are a sham and just a fig leaf to waste time until no deal.

No-deal Brexit looms as leak reveals Dominic Cummings considers EU negotiations a 'sham'

 

[Bodhi]

Fucking hell we've gone through the looking glass now.

"This government is unelected and taking power via a coup"

"Let's have an election then"

"Noooooo"

In the meantime, the bill to be voted on today is unlikely to make it into law as it stands:

Proponents of the new Bill to stop No Deal face a significant dilemma over Queen’s Consent

 

[Gwadien]

You must be slightly worried about a GE though @Bodhi ?

 

[Ormorof]

Fucking hell we've gone through the looking glass now.

"This government is unelected and taking power via a coup"

"Let's have an election then"

"Noooooo"

In the meantime, the bill to be voted on today is unlikely to make it into law as it stands:

Proponents of the new Bill to stop No Deal face a significant dilemma over Queen’s Consent

A GE triggered to avoid a no deal scenario happening after a no deal Brexit is kinda pointless.

 

[Wij]

Brussels baffled by Boris Johnson's Brexit progress claims

 

[Bodhi]

You must be slightly worried about a GE though @Bodhi ?

Not half as worried as Magic Grandpa appears to be, but then looking at the polls he does keep coming fourth in a 3 horse race for who would make the best PM.

 

[Yoni]

Corbyn is not an option.... The people sadly have very very few options currently ..... LD for me are the best option but they will not get a majority in this election....

 

[Job]

The Tories will make a pact with Farage that will guarantee them a win.

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/RCorbettMEP/status/1168887696846204930

 

[Wij]

Ken knows it:


View: https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1168907024278708229