Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[dysfunction]

That's like ripping the steering wheel off and handing it to the passenger and saying right it's your turn to steer.

 

[Moriath]

View: https://twitter.com/aipsmith/status/1132923058971402240

But Labour are a brexit party too. Well on the campaign policies when they had the last election they said they would push through the brexit vote.

So surely labpur votes must be added to the exit vote. And not all tories are leave voters. So i really dont see what adding tory and / or labour votes to ukip and brexit party really does for snything.

 

[Moriath]

Point is that the Brexit party will now go swanning around telling everyone they have the full support of the public which is 18.5% of the population.

If the other 63% cba t turn up and vote then the party with the most votes who wins any election is ok to swan around and say they won. Cause 63% dont give a shit.

 

[Gwadien]

If the other 63% cba t turn up and vote then the party with the most votes who wins any election is ok to swan around and say they won. Cause 63% dont give a shit.

It wasn't a vote for Brexit though.

It was to vote to decide which politicians will represent us in the European parliament.

 

[Wij]

But Labour are a brexit party too. Well on the campaign policies when they had the last election they said they would push through the brexit vote.

So surely labpur votes must be added to the exit vote. And not all tories are leave voters. So i really dont see what adding tory and / or labour votes to ukip and brexit party really does for snything.

Depends what you’re trying to prove. Labour have always been against no deal including in manifestos. The majority of Labour voters would like a people’s vote too.

 

[Gwadien]

I think the Tories were the only party right on the European elections; we're leaving very soon, we've made that very clear, why would we waste time and effort in elections that are utterly pointless?

 

[Job]

A few things no ones mentioning.
The anti brexit party didnt win a single seat.
Which is no surprise for many reasons but also a sign that leavers will jump ship quickly to a personality like Farage while remainers prefer to stick with the establishment.
If theyd joined together behind Change they would have matched or even beaten Farages vote.

Also nothing going on south of the border affected Scotland..they rejected the lot

 

[Yoni]

No remainers voted for Lib Dem / Green / SNP which are ALL pro Europe

Statistics: (votes not seats)
Brexit- 34.9%
Con / Lab 23.2%
Remain 40.4%

One of the many ways you can decipher the results however removing the flimflaming conservatives and labour.... other assumptions (%lab or con to leave or stay) could have been added but that just makes it all more subjective.

Remain v hard Brexit: what the UK's EU election results tell us

Also reflected on BBC / Telegraph / business insider etc.

The reason @Moriath and @Job that the remain vote is split is due to tactical voting.

As for the GE these votes are not indicative at all ..... 63% can make a difference.

Finally Farage is not that successful most of his seats are converted UKIP and pro leave conservatives

 

[Job]

Well done you should be a BBC pundit.

I think the classic there is Nigel didnt do well its mostly pro leave and converted ukip votes.

Fucking what????

Anyway, the centrists across Europe have seen their votes fall..and the Lib Dems have been resurrected from the morgue by remainers.

Posting a link from the Guardian about their take on election disasters is chocolate fireguard territory.

 

[Moriath]

It wasn't a vote for Brexit though.

It was to vote to decide which politicians will represent us in the European parliament.

Essentially it was though. All parties pitched themselves on one side or other of the leave/ remain coin. So although the question was different on the paper the thoughts and votes of the people were on the brexit issue in the polling booth.

 

[Moriath]

Depends what you’re trying to prove. Labour have always been against no deal including in manifestos. The majority of Labour voters would like a people’s vote too.

Against no deal yes. But are still committed to brexit as per

Accept the EU referendum result and "build a close new relationship with the EU" prioritising jobs and and workers' rights

In the 2017 manifesto. So they are for brexit as a party line. Just that half of them cannot accept that. Which is why they are such a shit show at the moment.

 

[Gwadien]

Essentially it was though. All parties pitched themselves on one side or other of the leave/ remain coin. So although the question was different on the paper the thoughts and votes of the people were on the brexit issue in the polling booth.

That's the attitude we need!

Can't wait for the next general election when the Brexit Party wins, gets us to leave the EU and destroys our country because they have no idea how to run a country.

Because you know, democracy.

 

[Wij]

This is totes bizarre :/


View: https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1132895182247084037

 

[Job]

Just trolling the establishment.

Its the Trump tactic, because the liberal media will spin everything negatively.
Just go for..'yeah you'll see..it'll be great.'

 

[Job]

I do agree though, effectively the remain votes do exceed the apparent leave votes, thats if you guesstimate the intentions of con/lab voters.

And theres the remains problem, they have spread themselves out across established parties because of their fear of change.
If the same voting pattern happened in a GE and theres every reason to believe that could happen given the dissafaction with the big parties, coupled with the fact remainers are more likely to buy into their promises..them the Brexit party could at least come second in a GE.

Whixh is fucking unbelievable.
It took labour 40 years from start to win an election.

 

[caLLous]

Humiliated Tommy Robinson demands second vote after losing £5k deposit

 

[Job]

That was pretty obvious really given he was up against the brexit party.

He is correct that social media is the new campaigning base and deplatforming him worked to an extent.
The reality is his supporters voted Brexit and told him as much in his youtube and bitchute channels.
Still his angle and that of Sargons are far more important going forward into our dystopian future than brexit and the next line of attack will be all out to get Farage deplatformed.
As usual the article is chopping and cherry picking his video to present a totally different narrative.

Its what they do.

 

[Job]

Haha.

Labour expels Alastair Campbell from party

 

[Wij]

Haha.

Labour expels Alastair Campbell from party

And yet Kate Hoey remains.

 

[Job]

Yes hilarious.

They are accusing her of standing with a 'racist' party.
Thats the woman who is a member of a party being investigated by the UN for antesemitism...(jew hating)

 

[Yoni]

Well done you should be a BBC pundit.

I think the classic there is Nigel didnt do well its mostly pro leave and converted ukip votes.

Fucking what????

Anyway, the centrists across Europe have seen their votes fall..and the Lib Dems have been resurrected from the morgue by remainers.

Posting a link from the Guardian about their take on election disasters is chocolate fireguard territory.

Seriously I quoted sources from a range of political views.... you really are jävligt efterblivet... I have no words for how weak and pathetic you are at debating and validating your reasoning...

 

[Bodhi]

Seriously I quoted sources from a range of political views.... you really are jävligt efterblivet... I have no words for how weak and pathetic you are at debating and validating your reasoning...

To be fair, Jobs point isn't relying on highly subjective (read: dodgy) arithmetic to suggest the party that got the most votes actually lost.

 

[Wij]

To be fair, Jobs point isn't relying on highly subjective (read: dodgy) arithmetic to suggest the party that got the most votes actually lost.

Only noone's say they 'lost'. Just that you can't take the results to mean that the majority of the country supports the Brexit party's position.

 

[Bodhi]

Dodgy statistical abuse aside


View: https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1133414836279402496?s=19

 

[Moriath]

That's the attitude we need!

Can't wait for the next general election when the Brexit Party wins, gets us to leave the EU and destroys our country because they have no idea how to run a country.

Because you know, democracy.

You think that a general election would be a single issue protest vote like this then you are very misinformed.

 

[Moriath]

Only noone's say they 'lost'. Just that you can't take the results to mean that the majority of the country supports the Brexit party's position.

Well thats obvious. But they got the majority of any single party from those who cba to get out and vote which gives them some sort of authority. Like it or not.

 

[Wij]

Well thats obvious. But they got the majority of any single party from those who cba to get out and vote which gives them some sort of authority. Like it or not.

Not for no deal. No deal parties got fewer votes than 'no deal no way' parties. Not that that is what this was about.

No deal was never mentioned during the referendum. There's no mandate for it. Even in the 2017 election where people keep spouting the '80% of votes...' line, Labour's manifesto was dead against no deal. Not that that was what that was about either.

 

[Wij]

Also they have been elected MEPs. Agreeing a Brexit deal is a matter for the UK parliament, not the EU one.

Imagine the screams of anguish if MEPs got to decide what the UK wants

 

[Job]

Seriously I quoted sources from a range of political views.... you really are jävligt efterblivet... I have no words for how weak and pathetic you are at debating and validating your reasoning...

No it was the utterly ridiculous he didnt win..it was other peoples votes that he stole.
In other news Watford beat Man City because it was their ball regardless of which goal it went in.

 

[Wij]

Dodgy statistical abuse aside


View: https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1133414836279402496?s=19

Wants to. Previous CEO said it would add costs to their wingmaking. Angling for a subsidy I'd wager