Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Job]

Ive all ready agreed that remain votes probably exceed leave if you take a reasonable guesstimate

I do agree though, effectively the remain votes do exceed the apparent leave votes, thats if you guesstimate the intentions of con/lab voters.

And theres the remains problem, they have spread themselves out across established parties because of their fear of change.
If the same voting pattern happened in a GE and theres every reason to believe that could happen given the dissafaction with the big parties, coupled with the fact remainers are more likely to buy into their promises..them the Brexit party could at least come second in a GE.

Whixh is fucking unbelievable.
It took labour 40 years from start to win an election.

 

[Ormorof]

But its still undemocratic to have a secpnd referendum?

 

[dysfunction]

But its still undemocratic to have a secpnd referendum?

Yes of course this is the new independent Britain where you can only vote once!

 

[Wij]

Yes of course this is the new independent Britain where you can only vote once!

Or in the case of the Brexit ‘party’ only one man gets a vote and he can’t be challenged or removed.

 

[Job]

Oh I feel your pain.

 

[Job]

Ahh Labour, united in its division.

Labour chair: people's vote backers sneering at ordinary people

 

[Wij]

Ahh Labour, united in its division.

Labour chair: people's vote backers sneering at ordinary people

He's wrong of course. Labour lost far more votes to remain than leave parties and it's better to lose one side rather than both by sitting on the fence. Plus it's just a straw man to say that those arguing for a people's vote are snobs and that all leave voters are working class.

The point about Labour being hopelessly divided is correct however.

 

[Job]

It does annoy me that he uses the tired stereotype of intellectual lefties and ordinary people.

It really harps back to the days when the serfs and women were not seem as sophisticated enough to vote.

We will decide for you.

Whats best for us.

 

[Gwadien]

It does annoy me that he uses the tired stereotype of intellectual lefties and ordinary people.

It really harps back to the days when the serfs and women were not seem as sophisticated enough to vote.

We will decide for you.

Whats best for us.

Don't you see a link between the glory days of Empire that you so desire and Victorian Politics?

I mean, if you really wanted to achieve what you want then you'd let someone with the 'correct' mindset to have free reign in making the country again?

 

[Job]

Im not even saying thats a bad thing..the EU isnt a bad thing if you are prepared to hand over everything more a slightly bigger piece of pie.

We have fought for the vote and it gives us the chance to fuck up as much as suceed, leaving is the result and if they are going to ignore it becausec they are worried about temporary issues, then why dont they just take the vote back of us and tell us what to do.
The remainers would be happy with that it seems

 

[Scouse]

The remainers would be happy with that it seems

Jeezuz. Stop talking shit. Would you be happy with the removal of democracy for every time you lost a vote?

No? Of course not. So stop just spouting shit all the time. Think before typing.

Oh, and learn to spell.

 

[Job]

What bit of remainers being happy with that as an accusation can be rebuked with ..would you be happy with it?

 

[Job]

Still blaming everyone else I see.

Huge polarisatuon in Europe caused by the EU.

Lets..er..make it worse.


EU chief negotiator blames Brexit on 'nostalgia for the past'

 

[Gwadien]

Still blaming everyone else I see.

Huge polarisatuon in Europe caused by the EU.

Lets..er..make it worse.


EU chief negotiator blames Brexit on 'nostalgia for the past'

He's 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% correct.

 

[Gwadien]

I mean @Job you LITERALLY agree with this 100%

In an interview with the New York Review of Books, Barnier identified “typically British” causes for the vote to leave, saying one was “the hope for a return to a powerful global Britain, nostalgia for the past”

 

[Job]

Fucking lol.
Just can even...
If you ridicule those who admire a cultural heritage and continuation of it..call them little minds..xenophobic..racist , set in motion the de nationalisation of Europe..invite in millions of people with a totally different culture.

And then have the fucking gall..the absolute disconnection or simple distain for complaints and consequences of your actions by blaming the people you are fucking over, while using liberal propaganda to push them out of the discussion.
Thats fucking it for me, I hope thats the last straw for that prick.

Its not just a British thing.
All over Europe is the same sentiment, Le Pen who is polling ahead of Macron wants a tiny EU and a strong nationalist France..so does Poland and Hungary..and Austria.
The fences are going up, the knives are drawn and that fucking prick is all.

Oh your just bigots.

 

[Gwadien]

Fucking lol.
Just can even...
If you ridicule those who admire a cultural heritage and continuation of it..call them little minds..xenophobic..racist , set in motion the de nationalisation of Europe..invite in millions of people with a totally different culture.

And then have the fucking gall..the absolute disconnection or simple distain for complaints and consequences of your actions by blaming the people you are fucking over, while using liberal propaganda to push them out of the discussion.
Thats fucking it for me, I hope thats the last straw for that prick.

Its not just a British thing.
All over Europe is the same sentiment, Le Pen who is polling ahead of Macron wants a tiny EU and a strong nationalist France..so does Poland and Hungary..and Austria.
The fences are going up, the knives are drawn and that fucking prick is all.

Oh your just bigots.

But he's not saying that at all;

Speaking about anti-EU sentiment across the continent, he said: “People on the ground feel lost, that they have been abandoned; they feel their cultural identity is in danger … we have to respect these local identities.

But I suppose he works for the EU though, so he's pretty much a Jew right?

 

[Job]

Hes quite clearly ridiculing it and countering with passive aggressive humility.
What he means is how do we fool these idiots we arent actually going for EU superstate.

 

[Gwadien]

Hes quite clearly ridiculing it and countering with passive aggressive humility.
What he means is how do we fool these idiots we arent actually going for EU superstate.

And all your lot want to build a 4th Reich.

I don't understand why you complain about a lack of harmony, but you're so hostile to Remainers/The EU.

We want a good relationship with them all, but I hate the EU, and the Germans, and the French.

 

[Job]

Everyones racist again.

Labour really needs to reel this shit in if they want to be in power.

Opinion: Brexit Party activists told me to ‘go home’ because I am a pro-Europe MEP

 

[Gwadien]

Everyones racist again.

Labour really needs to reel this shit in if they want to be in power.

Opinion: Brexit Party activists told me to ‘go home’ because I am a pro-Europe MEP

Huh?

Labour need to reel in the Independent?

 

[Job]

No..the Labour MEP who wrote it..did you not read it?

 

[Job]

This is interesting if you take some reasonable assumptions and voting was the same....technically Brexit party would win 400 seats in a GE.



View: https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/ep2019-results-mapped-onto-westminster-constituencies-8a2a6ed14146

 

[Job]

Eltons chosen his side.

Elton John: 'I am a European – not a stupid, imperialist English idiot'

That should help.

 

[dysfunction]

He is right though

 

[Gwadien]

Eltons chosen his side.

Elton John: 'I am a European – not a stupid, imperialist English idiot'

That should help.

Again.

'Sides'

'omg where is the post brexit unity?!'

 

[Job]

I think youll find those kind of statements make their own sides.

 

[Job]

In direct relation.
George Orwell writing in 1945 on liberal anglophobes...nothing new under the Sun.


Negative Nationalism
(i) Anglophobia. Within the intelligentsia, a derisive and mildly hostile attitude towards Britain is more or less compulsory, but it is an unfaked emotion in many cases. During the war it was manifested in the defeatism of the intelligentsia, which persisted long after it had become clear that the Axis powers could not win. Many people were undisguisedly pleased when Singapore fell ore when the British were driven out of Greece, and there was a remarkable unwillingness to believe in good news, e.g. el Alamein, or the number of German planes shot down in the Battle of Britain. English left-wing intellectuals did not, of course, actually want the Germans or Japanese to win the war, but many of them could not help getting a certain kick out of seeing their own country humiliated, and wanted to feel that the final victory would be due to Russia, or perhaps America, and not to Britain. In foreign politics many intellectuals follow the principle that any faction backed by Britain must be in the wrong. As a result, ‘enlightened’ opinion is quite largely a mirror-image of Conservative policy. Anglophobia is always liable to reversal, hence that fairly common spectacle, the pacifist of one war who is a bellicist in the next.

 

[Scouse]

For those who feel deeply about contemporary politics, certain topics have become so infected by considerations of prestige that a genuinely rational approach to them is almost impossible. Out of the hundreds of examples that one might choose, take this question: Which of the three great allies, the U.S.S.R., Britain and the U.S.A., has contributed most to the defeat of Germany? In theory it should be possible to give a reasoned and perhaps even a conclusive answer to this question. In practice, however, the necessary calculations cannot be made, because anyone likely to bother his head about such a question would inevitably see it in terms of competitive prestige. He would therefore start by deciding in favour of Russia, Britain or America as the case might be, and only after this would begin searching for arguments that seemed to support his case.

and

In England, if one simply considers the number of people involved, it is probable that the dominant form of nationalism is old-fashioned British jingoism.


Sound familiar @Job?

 

[Job]

Yes..it argues both sides.
I'm just pointing to the bit thats really hard to find if you google it.

Its simple intellectual snobbery based on class war.
Brexit is the poor idiots clinging on to the past while the progressive educated want to distance themselves from base emotions.

Spock in Startrek was actually an analysis of this.